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Who is this?
Spirit?
He has his own Mind?
Was with him in the beginning?
HE WAS THERE WHILE HE HAD NOT YET MADE THE EARTH
Because blessed [are they that] keep this persons/spirits ways.
And OMEGA of the Alpha?
He finds out knowledge of witty Inventions
By Him Kings reign
HE CAUSES US TO RECEIVE SUBSTANCE! what substance?Pro 8:12 ¶ I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.
Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD [is] to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Pro 8:14 Counsel [is] mine, and sound wisdom: I [am] understanding; I have strength.
Pro 8:15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
Pro 8:16 By me princes rule, and nobles, [even] all the judges of the earth.Pro 8:20 *I lead in the way of righteousness*, in the midst of the paths of judgment:
Pro 8:21 “That I may cause those that love me” to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.
Pro 8:22 ¶ *The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way*, before his works of old.
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, *or ever the earth was.* { Faith statment?}
Pro 8:24 When [there were] no depths, I was brought forth; when [there were] no fountains abounding with water.
Pro 8:25 *Before the mountains were settled*, before the hills was I brought forth:Pro 8:26 *While as yet he had not made the earth,* nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I [was] there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
Pro 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:Pro 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he *appointed the foundations of the earth*:
Pro 8:30 *Then I was by him*, [as] one brought up [with him]: and I was daily [his] delight, rejoicing always before him;
Pro 8:31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights [were] with the sons of men.
Pro 8:32 ¶ Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed [are they that] keep my ways.charity
Substance to inherit something hoped for to come.
Were we with him in the beginning all of us?
Pro 8:21 “That I may cause those that love me” to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.
Pro 8:22 ¶ *The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way*, before his works of old.And Hebrews the Apostles will only report what has been past down from the fathers
Hbr 11:2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
Hbr 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.That we all together may work towards receiving substance hoped for?
And one is having kept the ways until that which is perfect came?
A statement of having received the substance
After working towards the goal?
Pro 8:32 ¶ Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed [are they that] keep my ways.
Pro 9:1 ¶ Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars:
Pro 9:2 She hath killed her beasts; she hath mingled her wine; she hath also furnished her table.
Pro 9:3 She hath sent forth her maidens: she crieth upon the highest places of the city,
(Who has complicated himself with theologys?)
Pro 9:4 Whoso [is] simple, let him turn in hither: [as for] him that wanteth understanding, she saith to him,
Pro 9:5 Come, eat of my bread, and drink of the wine [which] I have mingled.
Pro 9:6 Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding.
Pro 9:7 ¶ He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked [man getteth] himself a blot.
Pro 9:8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
Pro 9:9 Give [instruction] to a wise [man], and he will be yet wiser: teach a just [man], and he will increase in learning.Who is man enough to except wise counsel from a woman caring for his soul?
A teachable spirit receives substance inherited?
Instruction without substance received is the foolishness of the earthly mind deceived?Charity
Quote (charity @ Mar. 22 2007,11:04) …
HE WAS THERE WHILE HE HAD NOT YET MADE THE EARTH …
He finds out knowledge of witty Inventions
By Him Kings reign
HE CAUSES US TO RECEIVE SUBSTANCE! what substance?
Its SHE! Proverbs 8 is talking about GOD's attribute of Wisdom.
GOD's Wisdom is being personified as a Woman!(Prov 8:1-3) Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice? 2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths. 3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.
In Provs 8. wisdom is no more a literal person/being then prudence is in verse 12 with whom she dwells!
So, all one needs to do is read from verse 1 to find out what Solomon is talking about in Proverbs Chapter 8-9. Solomon (by the inspiration of GOD) is using the literary device of personification to describe GOD's wisdom!
Thus, if GOD would use wisdom to create all things how much more should we ought to seek after GOD's wisdom!
That is the message of Provs. Ch. 8-9!Quote (Adam Pastor @ Mar. 22 2007,12:47) Quote (charity @ Mar. 22 2007,11:04) …
HE WAS THERE WHILE HE HAD NOT YET MADE THE EARTH …
He finds out knowledge of witty Inventions
By Him Kings reign
HE CAUSES US TO RECEIVE SUBSTANCE! what substance?
Its SHE! Proverbs 8 is talking about GOD's attribute of Wisdom.
GOD's Wisdom is being personified as a Woman!(Prov 8:1-3) Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice? 2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths. 3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.
In Provs 8. wisdom is no more a literal person/being then prudence is in verse 12 with whom she dwells!
So, all one needs to do is read from verse 1 to find out what Solomon is talking about in Proverbs Chapter 8-9. Solomon (by the inspiration of GOD) is using the literary device of personification to describe GOD's wisdom!
Thus, if GOD would use wisdom to create all things how much more should we ought to seek after GOD's wisdom!
That is the message of Provs. Ch. 8-9!
Hi Adam pastorThankyou for your response
A woman?
Was it the spirit of wisdom God spoke to here then?
The child Jesus waxed strong in the spirit of wisdom as he grew up?
For the Image was only and idea to be executed yet formed?
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
charityYour answer is in Gen 3.22, 11.7, Isa 6.8; i.e. the us is GOD's heavenly host.
Heb 1:1-2 makes it very clear that it wasn't until NT times that Jesus the Son of GOD existed in order for GOD to speak through him (much less speak to him).No one literally exists before their conception. This includes Jesus of Nazareth.
Also, although GOD may consult His heavenly host, in the above examples in Genesis, He acts alone.
Hence He alone created all things.(Isa 44:24) Thus saith YAHWEH, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am YAHWEH that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
(Gen 1:27) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.Thanks Adam pastor
Can I ask you to take these thoughts captive to the will of God?
I know this that the father David’s covenant has been voided
And for this wisdom and understanding is voided
\Psalms 89 is the covenant given to David, whether people like it not by David Saints returned at Christs Side
This Man united redeemed souls to God well before baby savour was born.
By this Man, Redeemed Men came out of the graves by election walked the earth again, for his faithful witness that began Gods work King David
And today they beat tracks through bushes to refuse him and void
His crown and cast it to the ground; they shall find no rest;
Even christ brought not rest that we may seek out his fathers reedemning hand.Isa 44:24 ¶ Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I [am] the LORD that maketh all [things]; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Isa 44:25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise [men] backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;
Isa 44:26 That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof:
This Man Is Holy and exalted, chosen out of the whole creation that was cursed to return to dust?
Psa 89:19 Then thou spakest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst, I have laid help upon [one that is] mighty; I have exalted [one] chosen out of the people.
Psa 89:20 I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him:
Psa 89:21 With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him.
Psa 89:22 The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him.
Psa 89:27 Also I will make him [my] firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.
Psa 89:28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.Has David got a Y Name? And that would be a father name of Jesus, for his seed father is David.
And David said himself My lord said to my lord….God bless
charity
Good morning!
Thank you, t8, for pointing out so well that WJ “sees what he wants to see.” I prayed about this last night and came to the conclusion that pride is an enemy towards the things of God. Pride will not allow you to admit that you are wrong, and it will not let you ask for forgiveness – for sure. Pride continues to stir……pride is a spoon……it stirs things up! Not for the benefit of anyone, but for the benefit of showing it's own “wisdom.” Wisdom that is not first of all, peace loving, is not wisdom from God. There's some scripture for all of us this morning, huh? John 17:3: Jesus is praying. He is praying to his Father. He says of his Father, “….you are the only true God.”
When someone says “only” that pretty much excludes anyone or thing from being that “only one or thing.”
If you compare all the scriptures that say God is the “only one” of something, you will find that Jesus is not included in those scriptures explicitly. You must cut and paste to your own slant to make it point to Jesus as well. Even Jesus set himself a part from God. Why do you think he did this? Does the Bible say why he did this? “….thought it not robbery to be equal with God…” Phil 2:6 ROBBERY!
Not3in1
John tells us who this “Eternal life” is.
Jn 5:20…….This the true God and *Eternal life*
___WJ, I think you got the wrong verse here, maybe? I read John 5:20 in the KJV and it doesn't say Jesus is “the true God and eternal life?”
We have eternal life in Jesus Christ. But I think you are confusing the “Giver” and the “Gift.”
Romans 6:23: For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ, our Lord.[/U]
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 22 2007,10:25) To WorshippingJesus. Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 23 2007,02:22) t8 All I quote is scripture t8 and show how they relate letting them interpret themselves and you say this is pride.
I am doing what you condemn me of not doing.
This is not pride t8, this is confidence in what is written.
You have no confidence in John 17:3.You change the meaning to fit your theology.
No t8.I have no confidence in your interpretation of it.
I simply let the scriptures interpret the verse, while you ignore the scriptures that I quote to fit your belief of the verse.
Paul and the Apostles almost always couple the Father and Jesus together in their salutations and valedictions.
They were Monotheist, why would they do this and then in many cases call him God?
Also consider…
Why would Jesus include his own name in direct relation to knowing the “True God and Eternal life” if Jesus didnt consider himself as sharing deity with the Father?
Not to mention the context of the verse shows Jesus had Godlike attributes…
Jn 17:
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Why did he not just say…
1 John 17:3
“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, the Father”
Quote (Not3in1 @ Mar. 22 2007,17:04) Good morning! Thank you, t8, for pointing out so well that WJ “sees what he wants to see.” I prayed about this last night and came to the conclusion that pride is an enemy towards the things of God. Pride will not allow you to admit that you are wrong, and it will not let you ask for forgiveness – for sure. Pride continues to stir……pride is a spoon……it stirs things up! Not for the benefit of anyone, but for the benefit of showing it's own “wisdom.” Wisdom that is not first of all, peace loving, is not wisdom from God. There's some scripture for all of us this morning, huh? John 17:3: Jesus is praying. He is praying to his Father. He says of his Father, “….you are the only true God.”
When someone says “only” that pretty much excludes anyone or thing from being that “only one or thing.”
If you compare all the scriptures that say God is the “only one” of something, you will find that Jesus is not included in those scriptures explicitly. You must cut and paste to your own slant to make it point to Jesus as well. Even Jesus set himself a part from God. Why do you think he did this? Does the Bible say why he did this? “….thought it not robbery to be equal with God…” Phil 2:6 ROBBERY!
Not3in1I see.
So the Lord showed you the definition of “pride” is when someone dosnt “Submit to your doctrine or belief” then they are proud. HMMM?
John 1:1 says “only true God” also.
Jn 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the *Word was God.*Gen 1:1
In the beginning *God* created the heaven and the earth.Jn 1:2
The same was in the beginning *with God*.Gen 1:26
And God said, *Let us* make man in *our image*, after *our likeness*:Gen 1:27
So *God* created man in *his own image*, in the image of *God* created he him; male and female created he them.Jn 1:3
All things were made *by him; and without him* was not *any thing made that was made.*Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 22 2007,17:18) Paul and the Apostles almost always couple the Father and Jesus together in their salutations and valedictions. They were Monotheist, why would they do this and then in many cases call him God?
“many cases call him God”??
WJ, what do count as many?
I know there are only two occurrences/verses in the NT where the title god/theos is used in ref. to Christ without any ambiguity;
so what are the many others that you have in mind?Hi W,
You say.
“Paul and the Apostles almost always couple the Father and Jesus together in their salutations and valedictions”
Funny that.
Couple means two.
Not one
Not three
Two.
But you do not READ what you quote or say.Hi W,
You quote,
“Not to mention the context of the verse shows Jesus had Godlike attributes…Jn 17:
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
As if having GLORY was a sure sign of being GOD.
The Son has GLORY as testified by those with him of the mountain.Then I have some more candidates for you
1Cor 15
” 40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.”
Quote If you compare all the scriptures that say God is the “only one” of something, you will find that Jesus is not included in those scriptures explicitly. You must cut and paste to your own slant to make it point to Jesus as well. Even Jesus set himself a part from God. Why do you think he did this? Does the Bible say why he did this? “….thought it not robbery to be equal with God…” Phil 2:6 ROBBERY! Not3in1
“Robbery” Greek, “harpagmos” which means:
1) the act of seizing, robbery
2) a thing seized or to be seized
a) to deem anything a prize
b) a thing to be seized upon or to be held fast, retained
Most of the translators render the word “did not consider equality with God something to be grasped(or held on to).
“Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus”. Phil 2:5
Phil 2:7
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:Jesus left his place of Glory and power with the Father and took on the likeness of sinful flesh.
*Only One*
1 Tim 1:17
Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.Again, who is this king *the only wise God* Paul speaks of in this epistle?
1 Tim 6:
KJV
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall shew, [who is] the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who *only* hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.ESV
14to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,15which he will display at the proper time—he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords,16who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.Nasb
14 that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 which He will bring about at the proper time–He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
16 who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him {be} honor and eternal dominion! Amen. [/I]RSV
14 I charge you to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ;
15 and this will be made manifest at the proper time by the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
16 who alone has immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.[/I]YLT
14 that thou keep the command unspotted, unblameable, till the manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Ti 6:15 which in His own times He shall shew — the blessed and only potentate, the King of the kings and Lord of the lords,
1Ti 6:16 who only is having immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable, whom no one of men did see, nor is able to see, to whom [is] honour and might age-during! Amen.WB
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he will show who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom [be] honor and power everlasting. Amen.Compare…
Rev 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.Rev 19:
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.Quote (Adam Pastor @ Mar. 22 2007,18:21) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 22 2007,17:18) Paul and the Apostles almost always couple the Father and Jesus together in their salutations and valedictions. They were Monotheist, why would they do this and then in many cases call him God?
“many cases call him God”??
WJ, what do count as many?
I know there are only two occurrences/verses in the NT where the title god/theos is used in ref. to Christ without any ambiguity;
so what are the many others that you have in mind?
API just listed a couple more.
How many do we need to believe the scriptures?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2007,19:32) Hi W,
You say.
“Paul and the Apostles almost always couple the Father and Jesus together in their salutations and valedictions”
Funny that.
Couple means two.
Not one
Not three
Two.
But you do not READ what you quote or say.
NHYes there is three persons, “One God”!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2007,19:36) Hi W,
You quote,
“Not to mention the context of the verse shows Jesus had Godlike attributes…Jn 17:
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
As if having GLORY was a sure sign of being GOD.
The Son has GLORY as testified by those with him of the mountain.Then I have some more candidates for you
1Cor 15
” 40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.”
NHYes and there is One Glory of God!
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 22 2007,19:46) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2007,19:32) Hi W,
You say.
“Paul and the Apostles almost always couple the Father and Jesus together in their salutations and valedictions”
Funny that.
Couple means two.
Not one
Not three
Two.
But you do not READ what you quote or say.
NHYes there is three persons, “One God”!
Hi W,
I am searching for a scripture that says there are three persons in God but come up with nothing.
You seem sure of this but what are your sources?
Scripture cannot be one.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 22 2007,19:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2007,19:36) Hi W,
You quote,
“Not to mention the context of the verse shows Jesus had Godlike attributes…Jn 17:
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
As if having GLORY was a sure sign of being GOD.
The Son has GLORY as testified by those with him of the mountain.Then I have some more candidates for you
1Cor 15
” 40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.”
NHYes and there is One Glory of God!
Hi W,
Does that glory that Jesus had WITH the Father prove they were the same being to you?WJ wrote:
I see.
So the Lord showed you the definition of “pride” is when someone dosnt “Submit to your doctrine or belief” then they are proud. HMMM?
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I prayed, and then came to a conclusion myself regarding pride. Re read my post!It exhausts me to interact with you, WJ. You can read into THAT whatever you wish. That is the problem with your slant on scripture is that you read into everything (while saying you take scripture literally – it's a merry-go-round with you – and I want OFF).
I'll leave the interaction with you to t8, Nick and others. They definitely have a more mature faith, and the ability to love you in spite of yourself. I'm not that mature yet!
The reason I know this is because I bite on every little piece of bait you through out here….and there are worms and dead fish everywhere! Ha!I'd like to try chatting with you later, when I've learned to control myself, and am able to remember the most excellent way – Love.
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