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Mrs IM,
Very true, but once you remove the verses that are supposed to support the doctrine, there is less to adhere to. The “mystery” becomes less mysterious and more ludicrous.
1 Cor 11:14
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
Hi t8 and the rest.
This is where you get your “another Jesus” your “another spirit” and your “another gospel” from.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%2….m (Turn up your computer's sound)
You may not like to admit it but you are spiritual children of the Watchtower. Charles T Russell is the de facto head of your religion. You guys are spiritual Jehovah's Witnesses even if your membership is not there. If you are going to follow her doctrines, then you might as well go home to your mother.
1 Cor 11:14
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
CB,
Since you are saying we are preaching another Jesus, show us where Paul preaches the Jesus of the Triune God. You must incorporate Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and must only use Paul's teaching.
Thanks.
kejonn
Quote CB, Since you are saying we are preaching another Jesus, show us where Paul preaches the Jesus of the Triune God. You must incorporate Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and must only use Paul's teaching.
Thanks.
Kejonn. Don't you believe the other Bible prophets. Or is it only when it suits you?
1. Jehovah the Father. (I'll allow you to provide the scripture)
2. Christ is Jehovah.
Jer 23:5-6 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch (Jesus), and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD (Yhovah)OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.3. Jehovah the Holy Spirit.
II Cor 3:17
Now Jehovah is the Spirit; and where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom. (NWT)
(Even the Arian's own bible cannot hide the truth)Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name (authority) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Quote (kejonn @ July 23 2007,10:04) CB, Since you are saying we are preaching another Jesus, show us where Paul preaches the Jesus of the Triune God. You must incorporate Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and must only use Paul's teaching.
Thanks.
We are preaching another Jesus to the one he preaches that is for sure.He preaches a Jesus who is a member of the God substance. He believes that the God substance is God himself and rejects any notion that the one true God is the Father.
Therefore he also rejects the son, for he says the son is 100% the God over all.
He preaches another gospel. That is not the gospel we see in scripture. He promotes the great falling away.
CB,
Never thought I'd see you using the JWs Bible to support your theology. You've reached new heights.
Quote (Cult Buster @ July 22 2007,18:00) kejonn Quote CB, Since you are saying we are preaching another Jesus, show us where Paul preaches the Jesus of the Triune God. You must incorporate Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and must only use Paul's teaching.
Thanks.
Kejonn. Don't you believe the other Bible prophets. Or is it only when it suits you?
Uh, you avoided the question. I figured you would. I guess you cannot prove that Paul peached the Trinity then.
Quote 1. Jehovah the Father. (I'll allow you to provide the scripture)
No doubt. The Bible is full of this truth.Quote 2. Christ is Jehovah. Jer 23:5-6 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch (Jesus), and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD (Yhovah)OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
There's that phrase again: “his name whereby he shall be called”. I've already given you a list of names and meanings but you chose to ignore them. Doing so again would be redundant and ignored because of your ideal that the sky is pink.Quote 3. Jehovah the Holy Spirit. II Cor 3:17
Now Jehovah is the Spirit; and where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom. (NWT)
(Even the Arian's own bible cannot hide the truth)
The fact that you had to use NWT as a reference shows that you have to look for Bible translations that support you theology. So basically you are saying “The Trinity is real, if you use the right combination of translations”. Here is the context:2Cr 3:14 But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ.
2Cr 3:15 But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart;
2Cr 3:16 but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
2Cr 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.Father=God, Son=Lord (not LORD of the OT), Holy Spirit=Holy Spirit.
Quote Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name (authority) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Show me where this says they are co-equal and all part of one God. This verse does not say that.Quote Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Nor does 99% of the Christians who believe in it. They just accept it like lemmings.kejonn. It just goes to show that even a Bible written by arians which you are one: it still confounds you.
It wouldn't matter which Bible I used you will still cling to your “another Jesus” “another spirit” and ” another gospel”
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Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD(JEHOVAH) I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD (JEHOVAH): for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD (JEHOVAH): for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.With
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Conclusion. The Holy Ghost = JehovahCompare
Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlastingWith
(Psa 33:6)
– – “A Prayer of Moses, the man of God. O Jehovah, You have been our dwelling-place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You had formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting You are God. ”2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
CultB, your words demonstrate that you reject Jesus, Paul, and Peter's teachings.
The problem is in your heart.
Scripture is there to guide, rebuke, and encourage you.
If you reject scripture then we cannot help you. You are on your own with that. You will have to give an account for all that you have taught and said. So I guess that you will be shown your own posts on Heaven Net.
Think about that. What you write is being recorded not only here, but in Heaven.
The record is set and in motion. Your only hope is repentance from these dead works.
Hi CB,
Your fascination with similar verses should not rule your understanding of Scripture.
God is ONE not three.God certainly is ONE
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Joh 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.Christ and The Father are ONE. They are ONE God.
Nick. If you don't like God's mathematics, then I cannot help you. Don't get angry at me. It's from the Bible.
Quote (Cult Buster @ July 22 2007,18:35) kejonn. It just goes to show that even a Bible written by arians which you are one: it still confounds you. It wouldn't matter which Bible I used you will still cling to your “another Jesus” “another spirit” and ” another gospel”
The gospel I know comes from the Bible. It is not a modalist gospel which you seem to adhere to.Quote Compare
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD(JEHOVAH) I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD (JEHOVAH): for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD (JEHOVAH): for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.With
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Conclusion. The Holy Ghost = Jehovah
False conclusion. Lets see where Jeremiah, who is speaking in the verse above, got his wordsJer 1:1 The words of Jeremiah the son of Hilkiah, of the priests who were in Anathoth in the land of Benjamin,
Jer 1:2 to whom the word of the LORD came in the days of Josiah the son of Amon, king of Judah, in the thirteenth year of his reign.Now how else would YHWH speak through a prophet? Holy Spirit. Or do you suppose that the Holy Spirit only spoke to the writer of Hebrews so that he would merely repeat the words YHWH said through his prophet Jeremiah?
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Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlastingWith
(Psa 33:6)
– – “A Prayer of Moses, the man of God. O Jehovah, You have been our dwelling-place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You had formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting You are God. “
So Yeshua was with God as the Word in the beginning? So, this has already been established. Old hat.kejonn
Quote So Yeshua was with God as the Word in the beginning? So, this has already been established. Old hat. Yeshua was also God. Read the Bible!
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Quote (Cult Buster @ July 22 2007,20:39) God certainly is ONE Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Joh 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.Christ and The Father are ONE. They are ONE God.
Nick. If you don't like God's mathematics, then I cannot help you. Don't get angry at me. It's from the Bible.
You left out the Holy Spirit. And as usual, you left off the rest of the verse so people can see the context. But nothing new here. Its as if you purposely try to mislead. Just rememberJhn 10:34 Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, 'I SAID, YOU ARE GODS'?
Jhn 10:35 “If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),
Jhn 10:36 do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?And also
1Cr 12:12 For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ.
If we are one with Christ, and Christ is one with the Father, and Christ is God, then we also are God according to this verse. But since Christ is not God, we cannot be God either.
Are you a god, CB?
Look again kejonn. This time without the “twist”
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Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD (JEHOVAH) I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD (JEHOVAH): for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD (JEHOVAH): for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.With
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Conclusion. The Holy Ghost = JehovahThese are the words of the Holy Ghost (Jehovah) not your “another spirit”
2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
CultB, why don't you just cut to the chase and tell us to listen to you and not the true shepherd?
Be honest about it.
Quote (Cult Buster @ July 22 2007,20:55) Look again kejonn. This time without the “twist” Compare
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD (JEHOVAH) I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD (JEHOVAH): for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD (JEHOVAH): for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.With
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Conclusion. The Holy Ghost = JehovahThese are the words of the Holy Ghost (Jehovah) not your “another spirit”
2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
–sigh– You need some serious Bible lessons on the Holy Spirit CB. Here' a freebie for yaJhn 16:13 “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.
The Holy Spirit only speaks what it hears. It can not speak on its own initiative.No twist, just plain truth.
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