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Luk 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
Luk 4:2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
Luk 4:12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.Luk 4:13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
It is clear from the above that Jesus THE LORD THY GOD was being tempted.
Those who in Exodus 17:2 and 7 and in Numbers 21:6 and 7 “tempted the Lord [Jehovah]” are said in I Corinthians 10:9 to have “tempted Christ.”
1Co 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
The following also confirms who “the Lord thy God” is.
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
It was Christ (Jehovah) who created the heavens and the Earth and rested on the seventh day which He blessed, hallowed and sanctified: thus making Himself the Lord of the sabbath.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD (Jehovah) God made the earth and the heavens,Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD (Jehovah) made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD (Jehovah) blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Here scripture tells us that Jehovah made the heavens and the earth and then rested on the sabbath (seventh day). And Jesus in Mark 2:28 asserting Himself as the Lord of the sabbath.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made..
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
This shows that the Lord of the sabbath (Jesus), who was tempted in the wilderness, is the LORD thy God.
Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
Hi CB,
You ears are plugged up it seems.
The Lord Jesus was indeed tempted.
Christ was tempted thus showing he was not God.
He rebuked Satan for prompting him to put God to the test.That was what Christ as a man under Law could not do.
Hi Nick. Jesus was indeed God. He said so.
John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
John 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am
John 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.Undoubtedly, Jesus knew the difference in the Greek between “I am” and “I have been.” Jesus did not use the form “I have been” in the Greek, but used the form “I am.”
Thus clearly the Jews understood that Jesus was Himself claiming to be the Great I AM God and were enraged and wanted Him dead.
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Jesus is the Amighty God. The Great I AM
Zec 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
Hi CB,
You quote
“John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
John 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am
John 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.Jesus was before Abraham and David and John the baptist.
Is there a hidden message here as well?Hi Nick. For you the truth is hidden. But everyone knows that Jesus is God the great I AM.
Look again! It's in your face!
Joh 18:5 They answered Him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus said to them, I AM! And Judas who betrayed Him also stood with them.
Joh 18:6 Then as soon as He had said to them, I AM, they went backward and fell to the ground.
(MKJV)What did Jesus say to them that forced them backward onto the ground. He used the divine name I AM in reference to Himself.
He was telling them that He was God, using the name Jehovah Himself had revealed to Moses at the burning bush, “I AM.” He could have made no stronger claim of deity.
As these words were uttered by Jesus, the mob staggered back; and the priests, elders, soldiers, and even Judas, dropped powerless to the ground. Their wicked hearts filled with terror. They could not for a moment stand upon their feet in the presence of the Divine Glory, and they fell like dead men to the ground.Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Jesus said.
Joh 8:24 Therefore I said to you that you shall die in your sins, for if you do not believe that I AM, you shall die in your sins.
Jesus Himself laid down the line – unless one believes Him for whom He says He is – the ego eimi, the great I AM – one will die in one's sins. There is no salvation in a false Christ. If we are to be united with Christ to have eternal life, then we must be united with the true Christ, not a false representation. It is out of love that Christ uttered John 8:24. We would do well to heed His words.
Why don't you people open up your eyes and look! Just admit your mistake instead of using the Holy Bible to try to cover your errors. It is better for you that you give up your false religions. The Bible is God's Word and it is to be used to establish truth, but you folk use it to fight against the truth! The truth is bigger than what you are, so it is pointless trying to fight it.
The Light was shining in darkness; but “the darkness apprehended it not.” John 1:5
Hi CB,
Is there a mysterious hidden wisdom written between the lines of the bible but never spoken outright, that clever folk of an esoteric bent can find and teach as equal to the teachings of Jesus himself?
Wake up.
We are not following greek philosophy.Quote (Cult Buster @ July 12 2007,23:32) Hi Nick. Jesus was indeed God. He said so. John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
John 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am
John 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.Undoubtedly, Jesus knew the difference in the Greek between “I am” and “I have been.” Jesus did not use the form “I have been” in the Greek, but used the form “I am.”
Thus clearly the Jews understood that Jesus was Himself claiming to be the Great I AM God and were enraged and wanted Him dead.
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Jesus is the Amighty God. The Great I AM
Zec 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
Cult B, you scratch the surface, but you need to read it in context.Jesus claimed that he was before Abraham. This is what they were upset about.
You know when I was younger I used the same arguments as you. But God changed me. I started being honest about what was written and it was different to what I had been taught.
It's not like you can blow us away with such understanding. We were there once too. We know these arguments well. It's just that we do not agree with them anymore because they are not true.
Quote (t8 @ July 18 2007,00:45) Quote (Cult Buster @ July 12 2007,23:32) Hi Nick. Jesus was indeed God. He said so. John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
John 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am
John 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.Undoubtedly, Jesus knew the difference in the Greek between “I am” and “I have been.” Jesus did not use the form “I have been” in the Greek, but used the form “I am.”
Thus clearly the Jews understood that Jesus was Himself claiming to be the Great I AM God and were enraged and wanted Him dead.
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Jesus is the Amighty God. The Great I AM
Zec 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
Cult B, you scratch the surface, but you need to read it in context.Jesus claimed that he was before Abraham. This is what they were upset about.
You know when I was younger I used the same arguments as you. But God changed me. I started being honest about what was written and it was different to what I had been taught.
It's not like you can blow us away with such understanding. We were there once too. We know these arguments well. It's just that we do not agree with them anymore because they are not true.
t81 Cor 11:14
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.When did you accept this other Jesus?
To WJ.
Quote t8 1 Cor 11:14
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.When did you accept this other Jesus?
This other Jesus is the son of God and the messiah. Which one are you talking of? The Babylonian one?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2007,03:19) 1 Cor 11:14
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.When did you accept this other Jesus?
Why do Trinitarians bother quoting scripture like these? Since Paul did not preach the Trinity, that Yeshua was God, would it not seem more logical that you all are preaching another Jesus?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 18 2007,12:48) Hi W,
We preach Jesus ,the Son of God, not Jesus, God the Son.
Hi Nick,
You, t8 and others are preaching another Jesus, because the Jesus of the Bible is The mighty God. Ye also receive another spirit and another gospel.Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
1 Cor 11:14
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
Hi CB,
Which bible are you quoting?
The bible I have say that Jesus is the Son of God.
This is said by God, Jesus, Peter, Paul, Martha
and many others whose words I trust more than you.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 18 2007,21:04) Hi CB,
Which bible are you quoting?
The bible I have say that Jesus is the Son of God.
This is said by God, Jesus, Peter, Paul, Martha
and many others whose words I trust more than you.
Hi Nick. I quote from various Bible versions.Isa 9:6
(ASV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
(KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
(MKJV) For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government shall be on His shoulder; and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Yes a Son was given. Jesus the Son is The Mighty God.
Hi Cult Buster.
Sons are called 'elohim' and 'theos' too and yes Jesus is Mighty.
That shatters your theory somewhat.
Late reply on the original but there are more than 2 versions that translate this verse differently (and the Septuagint is completely different, they did not quote from it this time!)
BBE: And I will send down on the family of David and on the people of Jerusalem the spirit of grace and of prayer; and their eyes will be turned to the one who was wounded by their hands: and they will be weeping for him as for an only son, and their grief for him will be bitter, like the grief of one sorrowing for his oldest son.
JPS: And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; and they shall look unto Me because they have thrust him through; and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his first-born.
CEV: I, the LORD, will make the descendants of David and the people of Jerusalem feel deep sorrow and pray when they see the one they pierced with a spear. They will mourn and weep for him, as parents weep over the death of their only child or their first-born.
NLV: “I will pour out the Spirit of loving-favor and prayer on the family of David and on those who live in Jerusalem. They will look on Him Whose side they cut. They will cry in sorrow for Him, as one cries for an only son. They will cry much over Him, like those who have lost their first-born son.
RSV: “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of compassion and supplication, so that, when they look on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a first-born.
LXX: And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and compassion: and they shall look upon me, because they have mocked [me], and they shall make lamentation for him, as for a beloved [friend], and they shall grieve intensely, as for a firstborn [son].
16 pages and people have failed to see the very, very important thing about John 19:37. Let's look at some verses and the OT verse they are supposed to relate to:
Jhn 19:24 So they said to one another, “Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it, to decide whose it shall be”; this was to fulfill the Scripture: “THEY DIVIDED MY OUTER GARMENTS AMONG THEM, AND FOR MY CLOTHING THEY CAST LOTS.”
Psa 22:18 They divide my garments among them, And for my clothing they cast lots.
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Jhn 19:36 For these things came to pass to fulfill the Scripture, “NOT A BONE OF HIM SHALL BE BROKEN.”Psa 34:20 He keeps all his bones, Not one of them is broken.
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Jhn 19:37 And again another Scripture says, “THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM WHOM THEY PIERCED.”Zec 12:10 “I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.
Does no one see the very vital difference? In the first 2 quotes, the pronouns are intact from OT to NT. In the last, the one that is supposed to refer to Zech 12:10 THEY ARE NOT. What does this say?
John, when writing his Gospel, had access to better copies of the OT than we do today. Why did he not quote “THEY SHALL LOOK ON ME WHOM THEY PIERCED.” like we have in our modern versions? He kept the pronouns intact in his other quotes, but they are not in 19:37. This leads to the very obvious answer: Zech 12:10 was originally written just as John quoted it!!!
Who among us can deny this would be true? Why would he change it from “Me” to “Him”? Would it not be better to preserve “Me” if that was the original version?
Also, John 19:36 is not an exact quote of Psalm 34:20. This could also lead to the possibility that John 19:37 was actually in reference to Psalm 22:16-17
Psa 22:16 For dogs have surrounded me; A band of evildoers has encompassed me; They pierced my hands and my feet.
Psa 22:17 I can count all my bones. They look, they stare at me;Yes this does not preserve the original pronouns either.
Either way, since 19:37 is supposed to be a direct quote of Zech 12:10, the use of “Him” instead of “Me” would lend to the reality that our modern rendering of Zech 12:10 is wrong. This could have been the result of a copyist error over the years.
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