Trinity – Is 1:18's Proof Text #2

[Tim Kraft]

Nick: Would it really matter if I saw a burning candle and thought, fire,light,& heat. Yet when you looked a the same burning candle you only saw it as fire? You pray to God! Yet there are many aspects of God. God is not even a name. Its an all-inclusive term. I can't understand the war against father,son & holy ghost! TK

[NickHassan]

Hi TK,
Men invent all sorts of excuses for the catholic trinity but it would be best to search the bible.

There is no trinity there so why should mystery babylon become our master?

[Tim Kraft]

Nick: Did I even say the word Trinity? What if we just call it, THE THREE AMIGOS! TK

[NickHassan]

Hi TK,
Should the grace of the 'fear of God' be in us to guide our attitudes to our God and Father?

[Tim Kraft]

Nick: Are you afraid of your father? If he is alive or when he was alive did you tremble in fear when in his presence? Jesus must have told us “fear not” in the New Testament a hundred times. Fear is the opposite of faith!
If you are talking about respect when you say fear of the Lord then I agree with you. I kinda don't think you are referring to respect. I do not fear (as in afraid of ) God. My response to God is the love that he has poured out on me. I love God because I have found that I love, love! Perfect love cast out fear. If you are in any way shape or form fearful of God then you need to repent. IMO, Bless you, TK

[NickHassan]

Hi TK,
Jesus was graced with the fear of the Lord[Is 11.2] but you do not need it?

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 31 2009,02:26)

Hi TK, Jesus was graced with the fear of the Lord[Is 11.2] but you do not need it?

Yare': Fear: To fear, revere, be afraid, to stand in awe of, be awed, reverence, honour, respect, to be fearful, be dreadful, be feared, to cause astonishment and awe, be held in awe, to inspire reverence or godly fear or awe, to make afraid, terrify. Fear, afraid, terrible, terrible thing, dreadful, reverence, fearful, terrible acts.

But as for thee and thy servants, I know that ye will not yet fear [Yare'] the LORD God. Exodus 9:30

Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear [Yare'] thy God: I [am] the LORD. Leviticus 19:14

Thou shalt rise up before the hoary head, and honour the face of the old man, and fear [Yare'] thy God: I [am] the LORD. Leviticus 19:32

Ye shall not therefore oppress one another; but thou shalt fear [Yare'] thy God: for I [am] the LORD your God. Leviticus 25:17

[Specially] the day that thou stoodest before the LORD thy God in Horeb, when the LORD said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, that they may learn to fear [Yare'] me all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and [that] they may teach their children. Deuteronomy 4:10

That thou mightest fear [Yare'] the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged. Deuteronomy 6:10

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[Proclaimer]

God sent his son into the world. So how can God be a Trinity?

The Trinity didn't send his son into the world because that would mean the son sent his son and we would have 2.

The Trinity really means confusion.

God is a “HIM”, not “THEM”.

Respect the truth and respect facts. If you do not, then what do you hope to achieve?

[Tim Kraft]

How could anybody in their right mind fear, LOVE! Somebody must have a wrong impression of God. Love is patient, kind, longsuffering, meek, gentle, unchangable by conditions and full of peace. I have no fear of my God! TK

[georg]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 03 2009,21:54)

How could anybody in their right mind fear, LOVE! Somebody must have a wrong impression of God. Love is patient, kind, longsuffering, meek, gentle, unchangable by conditions and full of peace. I have no fear of my God! TK

Tim       Proverb 3:7  Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear the LORD and depart from evil.  The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom.
Psalm 111:10 “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of Wisdom……….
Peace and Love Irene

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (t8 @ Oct. 31 2009,18:42)

God sent his son into the world. So how can God be a Trinity? The Trinity didn't send his son into the world because that would mean the son sent his son and we would have 2. The Trinity really means confusion. God is a “HIM”, not “THEM”. Respect the truth and respect facts. If you do not, then what do you hope to achieve?

Respect your truth or “the truth”?

Your logic fails you.

God sent his Spirit into the world too, didn’t he?

Yet we know God and his Spirit are “one”!

God made “one” humanity and yet we know there are many humans.

God made man and wife “one” and yet we know they are two.

The foolish logic of man puts God into a box and makes him after his own image when he determines that an infinite God can be fully comprehended by the finite mind of man!

“As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. Isa 55:9

“If you really knew me“, you would know my Father (God) as well“. From now on, “you do know him (God) and have seen him (God)“.” John 14:7

Here we see Jesus saying “me and him” are “One” God!

The reason people do not know who God is, is because they do not know who Jesus is.

“If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well“.

Those are his words, and not mine!

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
So mystery babylon rules?
Simplicity is anathema while you build the mystique of the trinity nonsense.
You should know both the Father and the Son and fellowship with them in God's Spirit abiding in the Word.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 03 2009,13:16)

Hi WJ, So mystery babylon rules? Simplicity is anathema while you build the mystique of the trinity nonsense. You should know both the Father and the Son and fellowship with them in God's Spirit abiding in the Word.

NH

In other words you also pray to the Father and the Son?

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
You should join in the fellowship.
But your false teachings isolate you from God.[2jn9]
He demands that we abide in the bible teachings and trinity is of other gods.[1Jn5.21]

[Tim Kraft]

Irene: Perfect love casteth out fear. If your love for God is perfecetd through Jesus, no mars, no flaws, no imperfections which is the way Jesus gave it to us then there is no fear. Fear separates you from God. What if your little grandaughter(if you have one) was totally afraid of you. I mean didn't want to sit on your lap four fear? It would break your heart, I believe. If you believe the love you show respect. Its an automatic response. To the same degree that you love God you will respect God. You disregard his truth of love if you fear him. Faith pleases God. Bless you, TK

[NickHassan]

Hi TK,
Of course you must be reborn of water and the Spirit to become a child of God.
No magic.

[Tim Kraft]

Nick: One is born of water at birth to enter the material earth realm. He lives his life learning physicality. When he becomes of age (?) he must die to physicality(put himself in subjection to God) to be re-born of the Spirit of God. Then he lives his life spiritually and grows up unto God never to die again.IMO, TK

[NickHassan]

Hi TK,
The waters of birth are not pure water.[Heb 10.22]
You must be washed.[1Peter3]

[Tim Kraft]

Hey Nick: Im so ignorant. I apparantly got a warning for an improper post or some problem on messenger. I couldn't find what it was about or who to respond to for forgiveness. I really don't know what I said or did wrong. Im sorry. Please let me know if I need to contact somebody about this. Thank you, TK

[Tim Kraft]

Hey Nick: There was a post led by “bodhitarta” on sacrifices and offerings just yesteday(Sun Nov. 15) that was quite long but excellent. I can't find it now. Could you possibly tell me where I can find it? Or can I get it back? It was in –Scripture & Biblical Doctrine–Topic: Bloodless atonement. Thank you for your help. TK

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