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- June 4, 2015 at 6:57 am#798850NickHassanParticipant
Hi KW,
Knowledge OF is not the knowledge of HOW TO DO.It is conscience.
June 4, 2015 at 6:58 am#798851NickHassanParticipantHi davidl,
Yes you hold STUBBORNLY to the teachings of men at the expense of truth.
Soften the neck.
June 4, 2015 at 7:16 am#798852DavidLParticipantThe Deity of Jesus Christ is what I hold to as the true faith handed down to us by the Apostles, as revealed by the Holy Spirit through the Scriptures.
“I and the Father are One.” – these are the words of Christ
“All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.” – Matthew 11:27
“No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known.” – John 1:18
June 4, 2015 at 7:18 am#798853NickHassanParticipantHi davidl,
Yes you hold on to verses that you cannot understand to defend the dogmas of men.
June 4, 2015 at 7:21 am#798854DavidLParticipantThe Divinity of the Son is known through the revelation of the Holy Spirit – not the teaching of man.
June 4, 2015 at 7:22 am#798855NickHassanParticipantHi davidl,
You claim to be reborn of the Spirit but
you prefer the teachings of men?
What gives?
June 4, 2015 at 7:27 am#798856DavidLParticipantshow me anything I have shared that is based on the teachings of men.
June 4, 2015 at 7:41 am#798857kerwinParticipantNick,
Do you believe mankind did evil before they ate of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil?
June 4, 2015 at 7:42 am#798858kerwinParticipantNick,
Mankind gained the knowledge they were naked from eating of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil and they also were ashamed of being in the sight of God.
June 4, 2015 at 7:51 am#798859kerwinParticipantDavidL.
You have been but you do not see. If you saw then you would not have to be shown it.
There is but one mediator between God and humankind and it is not God but it is the human being Jesus Christ whom gave gave his life that we could be reconciled with God (1 Timothy 2:5).
Your teaching instead claims their one person of the Godhead between humanity and the Father portion of the Godhead and that person is God the Son that laid his life down for us.
They are two different teachings and yours is not from Scripture.
If you had eyes to see and ears to hear then you would know this.
June 4, 2015 at 8:26 am#798863NickHassanParticipantHi KW,
Yes they gained new knowledge.
June 4, 2015 at 8:31 am#798867NickHassanParticipantHi davidl
There is no trinity taught in scripture
But you extol the idea.
June 4, 2015 at 8:46 am#798869kerwinParticipantNick,
They also became servants or slaves to sin as Jesus states the Son sets you truly free of being a servant or slave of sin.
June 4, 2015 at 9:19 am#798872NickHassanParticipantHi KW,
Yes serving inner lusts of the god of this world led to slavery to sin.
James 1
The new covenant can set you free.
June 4, 2015 at 9:21 am#798873NickHassanParticipantHi KW
Heb 8.13
When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.But you try to serve both??
June 4, 2015 at 11:06 am#798878kerwinParticipantNick,
It is a good passage but please post it in the thread we are discussing that issue. Thank you.
June 4, 2015 at 11:17 am#798879kerwinParticipantNick,
And thus my point that they gained knowledge of how to do both good and evil but not the maturity to do only good.
June 4, 2015 at 11:19 am#798880NickHassanParticipantHi KW,
So you assume that ?
June 4, 2015 at 7:07 pm#798893davidHParticipantLets put the idea of Jesus words “I and my father are one” meaning they are same God to rest, The word ‘one’ means total unity. yes it is possible between human brethren, not often but possible. I have had several instances myself. So. those words DO NOT claim the trinity.
June 5, 2015 at 4:22 am#798897UMB5Participant@davidL wrote
The Deity of Jesus Christ is what I hold to as the true faith handed down to us by the Apostles, as revealed by the Holy Spirit through the Scriptures.
“I and the Father are One.” – these are the words of Christ
You quoted John 10:30. I and the father are one. Jesus translates that scripture for you and tells you what he means at John 17:22. He says “The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them; that they may be one, just as we are one.” he’s talking about the Christian congregation being “one’..JUST AS; OR IN THE SAME WAY THAT THE FATHER AND THE SONE ARE ONE. If you believe he and his father being one…means they are the same exact people..than you must believe these Christians are either the same exact people, or part of the trinity. Or is it that the Christian congregation is to be one in unity, will, and purpose, JUST AS the father and son are one in unity, will and purpose?
All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.” – Matthew 11:27
This only proves that Jesus is NOT God, otherwise why would he need to have anything handed over to him. Wouldn’t it already belong to him? Jesus tells us himself that he must always be *given* power or authority! (Mt.28:18; 11:27; Jn.5:22,25,26; 17:2; 3:35; 2Pt.1:17). Wouldn’t he already have it, if he were God?
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known.” – John 1:18
If no man has ever seen God, than how is Jesus God when lots of people saw him, even after his resurrection? Also..you misquoted the 2nd part of the scripture. It does not read “who is himself God”..it reads, “who is in the bosom of God.”or another translation says “who is in closest relationship to God” which also proves that Jesus is not God?
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