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Quote (epistemaniac @ June 23 2005,04:57) I'll be glad to! lol…. nope
let me ask you Nick, are you a follower of the Jehovah's Witnesses?
Absolutely not,
They believe Jesus was an angel and only 144,000 will be saved .What truck should we have with such false cults?Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2005,05:19) Quote (epistemaniac @ June 23 2005,04:57) I'll be glad to! lol…. nope
let me ask you Nick, are you a follower of the Jehovah's Witnesses?
Absolutely not,
They believe Jesus was an angel and only 144,000 will be saved .What truck should we have with such false cults?
glad to hear it Nick! I know very well that you aren't actually…. I just thought my asking you this was just as penetrating of a question as your asking me if I was a follower of Islam….. doesn’t really seem to pertain to anything in particular…. But served to increase the number of my posts… and I hear you guys are giving out cracker jack prizes or something for larger numbers of posts… isn’t that right? 😉Hi E,
I am on the lookout for the latest versions of the trinity theory because our knowledge in this area is constantly expanding apparently.Do you think the Son of God is a deity in his own right?
What about the Spirit?
Has the Son ever been separate from his Father as other sons are?Come now guys, are we disagreeing for mere satisfaction of self or are we disagreeing because we believe that it is the center point of being a true christian. In all honesty my thoughts are this. If you don't believe that Jesus is the Son(Begotten, Produced, Created, Beginning of Creation of God) I don't believe that you are a Christian. I am sorry if I am blunt, but if you don't believe in those things then you arn't. It is the center of the true knowledge of Christ and of God.
S
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2005,08:49) Hi E,
I am on the lookout for the latest versions of the trinity theory because our knowledge in this area is constantly expanding apparently.Do you think the Son of God is a deity in his own right?
What about the Spirit?
Has the Son ever been separate from his Father as other sons are?
Nick,You still trying to define God in human terms. How absurd. He is not confined to:
Space = length, width, breadth
Time = past, present, future
Matter = solid, liquid, gas
(Note the three sets of three, all of creation declares God)
And He cannot be defined by concepts and referrences to these things, which is all humans know.
No FYI,
I am trying to show you that God has shown us a lot about Himself and His Son and the wonderful relationship between them that He has invited us to join in for eternity.The concepts of men who try to define God in their terms
omnipotence, omnipresence and omniscience
for example are not helpful.These words cannot be found in scripture but a huge amount of information is there about our God and we should not stop seeking. But we have to use the language He uses and that language is the Word of God.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2005,11:32) No FYI,
I am trying to show you that God has shown us a lot about Himself and His Son and the wonderful relationship between them that He has invited us to join in for eternity.The concepts of men who try to define God in their terms
omnipotence, omnipresence and omniscience
for example are not helpful.These words cannot be found in scripture but a huge amount of information is there about our God and we should not stop seeking. But we have to use the language He uses and that language is the Word of God.
Nick,Just how are you helping people to enjoy “the wonderful relationship between them that He has invited us to join in for eternity”, when you deny any prayer or worship to Christ?
Jesus said He and His Father would come in to us and “sup” with us, yet you deny the communication to the son – you are leading away from Christ!
Quote (callsign @ June 23 2005,09:46) Come now guys, are we disagreeing for mere satisfaction of self or are we disagreeing because we believe that it is the center point of being a true christian. In all honesty my thoughts are this. If you don't believe that Jesus is the Son(Begotten, Produced, Created, Beginning of Creation of God) I don't believe that you are a Christian. I am sorry if I am blunt, but if you don't believe in those things then you arn't. It is the center of the true knowledge of Christ and of God. S
I was baptised a Christian at the age of 12. I am so glad that I am no longer a Christian! I give all praise to Father Yahweh for that!
Quote (Guest @ June 23 2005,01:31) Frank,
Should we be surprised that other belief systems are based on theology similar to that of orthodox christianity. Satan is, after all, a master counterfeiter. So i fail to see how you can apply this argument to discredit trinitarianism.
FFF,I did not apply an argument to discredit trinitarianism. I simply said that I found it interesting that these two words sound similiar and were of the same concept, but if the shoe fits, wear it!
I believe that trintarianism discredits itself. Try to explain it and all of the sudden it becomes a “mystery”.
It seems so obvious to me which came first, because there is no such doctrine of a trinity taught in any so called, “Holy Bible” that I know of. The trinity is obviously a mere doctrine of men.
Satan seems to be printing phony bills that look more like monopoly money.
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 23 2005,17:24) Quote (callsign @ June 23 2005,09:46) Come now guys, are we disagreeing for mere satisfaction of self or are we disagreeing because we believe that it is the center point of being a true christian. In all honesty my thoughts are this. If you don't believe that Jesus is the Son(Begotten, Produced, Created, Beginning of Creation of God) I don't believe that you are a Christian. I am sorry if I am blunt, but if you don't believe in those things then you arn't. It is the center of the true knowledge of Christ and of God. S
I was baptised a Christian at the age of 12. I am so glad that I am no longer a Christian! I give all praise to Father Yahweh for that!
Frank,So have you completely rejected Christ and His atonement?
FYI,
AT ONE MENT? !!! Surely Christians are not AT ONE!
I simply do not label myself as a “Christian”.
I strive to be AT ONE with Father Yahweh and His son Yahshua and those in obedience to Father Yahweh's Teaching (Torah, Law).
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 23 2005,18:42) FYI, AT ONE MENT? !!! Surely Christians are not AT ONE!
I simply do not label myself as a “Christian”.
I strive to be AT ONE with Father Yahweh and His son Yahshua and those in obedience to Father Yahweh's Teaching (Torah, Law).
So,You reject the Messiah?
No, I do not reject Yahshua. What gave you that idea?
Note the “AT ONE MENT” in Red
These words spoke Yahshua, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; esteem Your son, that Your son also may esteem you:
As You have given me power authority over all flesh, that I should give eternal life to as many as You have given him.
And this is life eternal, that they might know You, the One True Father, and Yahshua Messiah, whom You have sent.
I have given You esteem on the earth: I have finished the work which You gave me to do.
And now, O Father, esteem You me in Your Own presence with the esteem which I had with You before the world was created by You.
I have made known Your Name unto the men which You gave me out of the world: Yours they were, and You gave them to me; and they have kept Your word.
Now they have known that all things whatsoever You have given me are of You.
For I have given unto them the words which You gave me; and they have received [them], and have known surely that I came out of You, and they have believed that You did send me.
I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which You have given me; for they are Yours.
And all mine are Yours, and Yours are mine; and I am esteemed in them.
And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your own Name those who You have given me, that they may be one, as we [are].
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your Name: those that You gave me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
And now come I to You; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
I pray not that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one.
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Seperate them through Your truth: Your word is truth.
As You have sent me into the world, in this same manner I also sent them into the world.
And for their sakes I seperate myself, that they also might be seperated through the truth.
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
That they all may be one; as You, Father, [are] in me, and I in You, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that You have sent me.
And the esteem which You gave me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
I in them, and You in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that You have sent me, and have loved them, as You have loved me.
Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may ses the esteem, which You have given me: for You loved me before the foundation of the world.
O righteous Father, the world has not known You: but I have known You, and these have known that You have sent me.
And I have declared unto them Your Name, and will declare [it]: that the love wherewith You have loved me may be in them, and I in them. (Yahchanan [John] 17:1 -26)
Note also that this passage alone proves that Father Yahweh is not His Son Yahshua or “Jesus is God”, as do many other passages.
Frank,
What do you mean by this:
“I was baptised a Christian at the age of 12. I am so glad that I am no longer a Christian! I give all praise to Father Yahweh for that!”
Quote (Guest @ June 23 2005,19:59) Frank, What do you mean by this:
“I was baptised a Christian at the age of 12. I am so glad that I am no longer a Christian! I give all praise to Father Yahweh for that!”
I meant exactly what I have posted. No, I'm not Jewish either.
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 23 2005,21:41) Quote (Guest @ June 23 2005,19:59) Frank, What do you mean by this:
“I was baptised a Christian at the age of 12. I am so glad that I am no longer a Christian! I give all praise to Father Yahweh for that!”
I meant exactly what I have posted.
Frank.Have you been “born of the spirit”?
You say you were baptized but were you “born again”?
Hi,
The triune baptismal formula in Matt 28 was never taught elsewhere in scripture. It is an addition to scripture not found in Matthew's original gospel according to Eusebius, who held just such an original copy in his library in the early life of the church. That is why it was never followed by the apostles in Acts.
The apostasy came very soon after Jesus and the apostles died.
“Come ye out of her my people”
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