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    see33
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    ONE GOD MANIFESTED IN THE FATHER,SON,AND HOLY GHOST!GODHEAD.

    1 John 4:9
    In this was manifested the love of God toward us,because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world,that we might live through him.

    Romans 1:20
    For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen,being understood by the things that are made,even his eternal power,and Godhead,so that they are without excuse.

    Read In your Holy Bible  Revelation 5,and see The Lamb (Jesus Christ) Takes the book from the right hand of Father God.

    Revelation 21:22-23

    And I saw no temple therein,for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it,for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

    (Us,Our)

    Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.

    Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us,

    Genesis 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language,

    Isaiah 6:8

    Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?

    Galatians 4:6

    And because ye are sons,God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts,crying, Abba, Father.

    Notice When Worshipping Lord God Almighty! Holy is spoken 3 times.

    Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty.

    Isaiah 6:3   And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts, the whole earth is full of his glory.

    Revelation 4:8

    And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him,and they were full of eyes within,and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

    Matthew 24:36

    (JESUS SAID)But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

    Jesus Christ the Son didnt usher the answer from Father God in Heaven at that time,because its to be kept as a mystery(secret)

    This merges with free will of the humans on Earth,because they must be Rapture ready at all times!The people of God do get a dimensional awareness from the Holy Ghost as the ushering Rapture opens up the divine supernatural door into heaven.

    Revelation 4:1

    After this I looked,and there before me was a door standing open in heaven.And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said,Come up here,and I will show you what must take place after this.
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    Jesus Christ is the Son of God,and Jesus Christ was created before the World!Son is the Lamb,Jesus Christ(Lambs book of life)

    2 Timothy 1:9

    Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began.

    1 Peter 1:20

    Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.

    John 17:24

    Father,I will that they also,whom thou hast given me,be with me where I am,that they may behold my glory,which thou hast given me,for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

    Ephesians 1:4-5

    According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world,that we should be holy and without blame before him in love.

    5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.

    John 5:22

    For the Father judgeth no man,but hath committed all judgment unto the Son.

    Hebrews 1:2

    Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds.

    John 20:17

    Jesus saith unto her,Touch me not,for I am not yet ascended to my Father,but go to my brethren,and say unto them,I ascend unto my Father,and your Father,and to my God,and your God.

    Thank You,Lord Jesus Christ.I Love You!

    When Jesus Christ would go alone to pray,he wasnt talking to himself,Jesus Christ was talking to Father God,and when Jesus Christ was on the cross,he gave his spirit to Father God,he didnt say,I give my spirit to myself! When Jesus Christ was babtized,The Father talked to the son! Jesus Is Lord,and the Son of Father God.

    Revelation 3:5

    He that overcometh,the same shall be clothed in white raiment,and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father,and before his angels.

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    What should we do while we wait for the Lord's return?

    Keep The Word of God in Your Heart,and Mind!At all Times.Read your Bible at all times!It's Living,and Multi Dimensional!Spirit's drink Living Water!

    Walk in the Light, separate yourself from the world.Why worry about material things?Your spirit,and soul is who you really are!Spirit's Don't Sleep!

    Please God by the way you Love,and Worship him!Every Day…Talk to Jesus Christ at all times!Usher a Deep personal Relationship with Jesus!

    Witness to others, like Enoch who was raptured, tell people “the Lord is coming” Today is over!Did you lead anyone to Jesus Christ our Lord?

    Persevere, look forward, don't turn back to the life you've left. After all Remember what happened to Lots Wife!Keep both hands on the Plow!

    Be Humble!Cast away Pride,and Ego!Who cares what people think about you.Only care what Almighty God Thinks!Let Go,and Let God!

    Be Holy,Righteous,and filled with the Love of God!Be careful who you Trust,and always Trust Almighty God!Love is a Fruit that smells Sweet!

    Be Blameless, make every effort to stay blameless and pure.After all Earth Time is not Even Real Time! Eternity Is Real Time,and Jesus Christ is Worth Everything!

    Be Watchful for the return of the Lord.Jesus Christ will return when you least Suspect,and Jesus Christ uses those you least Suspect as Divine Instruments!

    Pray always!Praying only once every 7 days,makes one weak.Don't just Pray on Sunday!Almighty God is watching you at all times,not just on Sunday!

    “Dear God in Heaven, please help me to live my life in such a way that it is pleasing to you. Please consider me worthy to escape the time that is coming to test this world. In the name of Jesus, my Lord, I pray. Amen.”

    This Message Is from Jesus Rapture!

    B.I.B.L.E. = Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth.  

    When Jesus Christ Returns To (Rescue)Rapture his Chosen People.You will go with him to Heaven in a Twinkling Of An Eye!

    All His Chosen In The Whole World!In a Twinkling Of An Eye.You will Rapture with Jesus Christ to Heaven.

    Jesus Christ will not show up over or in one particular city,and tell you,If you desire to be Raptured! Follow me to the desert,or a certain city,state etc.

    Accept Jesus Christ,and his Divine Supernatural Salvation,and everlasting Love!

    http://www.av1611.org/hell.html

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    This message is to offer some information that may support a rapture before the tribulation period. As we all know, God uses symbolism very often in scripture to convey a spiritual meaning. We also know that God calls the church “The Bride” or “Bride of Christ” (Eph. 5:22-33, 2 Cor 11:2-3, Jer.2:1, Hos. 2:16). It is in this context tha
    t we look at the Jewish wedding customs of that day and analize any likenesses with the church bride.

    …In my Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself, that where I am, there ye may be also.

    John 14:1-3.

    Analogy of the Jewish wedding custom

    The first major step in a Jewish marriage was Betrothal. This established the marriage covenant.

    Jesus established an eternal covenant through His blood. His Holy Spirit is the “ring” (if you will) – sealing the bride with a gaurantee that He will return for her.

    Heb. 13:20, Luke 22:20, *Eph 1:13.

    The Jewish bridegroom took the initiative in marriage by leaving his father's house and traveling to the home of the prospective bride.

    So Jesus left His Father's house in heaven and traveled to the earth; the home of His prospective Church (bride). John 6:32-33;51

    Jesus came to earth to obtain the church (bride) through the establishment of a covenant.

    On the same night Jesus made His promise in John 14, He instituted communion. In this communion, he passed the cup of wine to the disciples saying: “This cup is the new covenant in My blood.” 1 Cor 1:25.

    At the home of the prospective bride, the Jewish bridegroom would negotiate with her father to determine the price (mohar) that he must pay to purchase his bride.

    Jesus paid a price to purchase the church (bride). The price He paid was His life blood.

    Acts 20:28, 1 Cor 6:19-20

    Once the bridegroom paid the purchase price, the marriage covenant was established, and the young man and woman were regarded as husband and wife. From that moment on, the bride was declared to be consecrated or sanctified; set apart exclusively for her bridegroom.

    So the church is said to be sanctified and set apart exclusively for Christ.

    Eph 5:25-27, 1 Cor 1:2; 6:11, Heb 10:10;13:12

    As a symbol of the covenant relationship, the groom and bride would drink from a cup of wine over which a betrothal benediction had been pronounced.

    The cup of communion serves as the symbol of the covenant through which Christ has obtained the church (bride).

    1 Cor 11:25

    After the marriage covenant was established, the groom would leave the bride's home and return to his father's house. There he would remain separate from his bride for a period of 12 months.

    Just as the Jewish groom left the home of his bride and returned to his father's house, so Jesus left the earth, the home of the church (bride) and returned to His Father's house in heaven after He'd established the new covenant and risen from the dead. The church is currently living in this this period of separation awaiting Christ's return.

    John 6:62; 20:17

    During this period of separation between the Jewish bride and groom, the bride would use this time to gather her trousseau and prepare for her married life. The groom occupied himself with the preparation of living accommodations in his father's house where he would bring his bride.

    Parallel to the custom of the Jewish groom preparing living accommodations for his bride in his father's house, Christ as been preparing living accommodations for the church in His Father's house in heaven.

    John 14:2

    At the end of the period of separation, the groom would come to take his bride to live with him. The taking of the bride usually took place at night.

    So Christ will come to take the church (bride) to live with Him at the end of the separation period.

    John 14:3

    The groom, best man and other male escorts would leave the Jewish groom's father's house and conduct a torch light procession to the home of the bride.

    Just as the taking of the Jewish bride was accomplished by a procession of the groom and male escorts from the father's house to the bride's house, so the taking of the church (bride) will be accomplished by a procession of Christ and an angelic escort from heaven to the home of the church.

    1 Thes. 4:16

    Although the Jewish bride was expecting her groom to come for her, she did not know the exact time of his coming.

    So the church (bride) does not know the exact time of Christ's coming for her.

    Mat. 25:1-13, Rev. 3:2-3;11

    As a result of the bride not knowing the exact time the groom would come for her, the groom's arrival would be preceded by a shout.

    This shout would forewarn the bride to be prepared for the coming of the groom.

    So Christ's arrival will be preceded by a shout.

    1 Thes. 4:16

    After the Jewish groom received his bride together with her female attendants, the enlarged wedding party would return from the bride's home to the groom's father's house.

    Similarly, the church (bride) will return with Christ to His Father's house in heaven after she is taken from the earth to meet Him.

    1 Thes. 4:17, John 14:2-3

    Upon arrival there, the wedding party would find that the wedding guests had assembled already.

    In the same manner, Christ and the church (bride) will find the soul of Old Testament saints assembled in heaven when they arrive. These souls serve as the wedding guests.

    Shortly after arrival, the bride (remaining veiled) and groom would be escorted by the other members of the wedding party to the bridal chamber (huppah).

    While the groomsmen and bridesmaids would wait outside, the bride and groom would enter the bridal chamber alone. There in the privacy of that place they would enter into physical union for the first time ~ consummating the marriage that was covented earlier.

    Parallel to the custom of the Jewish groom and bride entering into physical union after their arrival and thereby consummating the marriage that was covenanted earlier, Christ and the church (bride) will experience spiritual union after their arrival in heaven; thereby consummating their relationship covented earlier.

    After the marriage was consummated, the groom would announce the consummation to the other members of the wedding party waiting outside the chamber. These people would in turn pass this news on to the wedding guests.

    Upon hearing this good news, the wedding guests would begin the feast and make merry for the next 7 days.

    During those 7 days of the wedding festivities (sometimes called “the 7 days of huppah”), the bride remained hidden in the bridal chamber.

    In correspondence with the Jewish bride remaining hidden in the bridal chamber for 7 days after arrival at the groom's father's house, the church (bride) will remain hidden for a period of 7 years after arrival in heaven.

    While the 7 year tribulation period is taking place on earth, the church will be hidden from the sight of those living on the earth.

    At the conclusion of the 7 days, the groom would bring his bride out of the bridal chamber, now with her veil removed, so that all could see who his bride was.

    So Christ will bring the church (bride) out of heaven in His second coming at the conclusion of the 7 year tribulation period in full view of all who are alive, so that all can see who the true church (bride) is.

    Col. 3:4, Jude 14

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    The Rapture is when those who love Jesus go with Jesus Christ to heaven in a Twinkling of an eye,and those left behind will be forced to think weird explanations, like the millions who disappeared went into a ufo etc.

    After the Rapture, the world will be in chaos immediately. Some people will be raptured while driving in their cars, causing the cars to crash. Some people will disappear while working the most important jobs in the country, and once they disappear, cities will be destroyed. Planes will crash, electricity will go out, and phone lines will be jammed for days.If you think THIS sounds bad, the Judgements are much worse. Dont Be Left Behind!

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    #18469
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi see33,
    You say we are raptured to heaven. Can you show me the scriptural evidence for this claim? I personally believe that it is unlikely planes will fall from the sky when this happens. That is because I think few will be taken and God is not likely to cause harm in this way. He is perfectly capable of removing his people from those situations beforehand.We should also not be in the dark like the rest of mankind but should be expecting him. We will not know the day or the hour but that does not prevent us from knowing the week and the month and the year.

    #18470
    liljon
    Participant

    I don't believe in the pre-trib rapture but it was a great post

    #18471
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Yes,
    It would be good to discuss the rapture.My feling is that we will all see the changes in the sun, moon and stars and the Woes they bring. I feel we will see God's protecting hand on us but will be spared the Wrath of God ,which is the second half of the 7 year tribulation.
    What do others think?

    #18472
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    If we look at Revelation we see 7 seals. Then we see 7 bowls. It seems that the bowls are for wrath of which God's children are not destined. But God's children do go though tribulations.

    Perhaps someone could start up a discussion regarding the rapture. Is there such a discussion already?

    #18473
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi A7,
    You may be interested in this forum.
    Matt 28.19 originally did not say
    “in the Name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit “
    but
    “in my Name”

    #18474
    NickHassan
    Participant

    ps
    If you search for Matt 28.19 on the internet you will find about this matter.
    “A closer look at Matt 28.19” is one source. It essentially says the Bishop Eusebius in the early church quoted from an original copy of Matthew's gospel and it said as I have “in my Name”. Sadly the original itself was destroyed when the Roman Emperor sacked his library.

    #18475
    callsign
    Participant

    EPHesians 4:1As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope when you were called— 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all

    Baptism of fire after acts. Before Acts Baptism of water.

    There can only be one baptism.. Either Fire or Water

    And they were asked to Baptise in the name of the Father and Son and Holy Spirit for many reasons. If you think logical rather then trying to prove some outlandish theological discussion it was merely because, no one had heard of the Holy Spirit or Christ. Imagine 4K+ years without ever knowing Christ or Holy Spirit even existed.

    S

    #18476
    Anonymous
    Guest

    http://www.exchangedlife.com/Sermons/topical/trinity/church_believed.shtml

    “There is such a wealth of information and many, many more quotes available that I did not use here. I presented enough quotations to give a glimpse into the doctrine of each of these men and to show a consistent line from the apostles to the Council of Nicaea. These are not the heretics speaking, but the church fathers that have never been disputed in the church for their Trinitarian doctrine. They are the foundation of the church. They carried the light directly from the source and passed it on. We see a consistent doctrine passed down and in agreement as to what the church believed from the apostles all the way through the Council of Nicaea, where the church officially wrote a creed of beliefs. All of these bishops and theologians are unified in their agreement. The early church believed that there was one God; the person of the Father who was the one God; the person of the Son, Jesus Christ, who was the one God; and the person of the Holy Spirit, who was the one God; and that these three are one of essence or substance, and in unity yet eternally distinct.”

    “We should take notice that there is no record of the church fathers who believed in the Triune God as being counted as heretics or being refuted by the church until after Constantine sided with Arius the heretic. All of the church’s documented position was always Trinitarian. The heretics were always challenged for denying the Trinity and the deity of Christ. Historic Christianity, which was passed down from the Apostles has always affirmed this position. The heresies (those who denied the Trinity) were the challengers, as we will see in the 3rd part of this study.”

    #18477
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (callsign @ June 22 2005,11:47)
    EPHesians 4:1As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope when you were called— 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all

    Baptism of fire after acts. Before Acts Baptism of water.

    There can only be one baptism.. Either Fire or Water

    And they were asked to Baptise in the name of the Father and Son and Holy Spirit for many reasons. If you think logical rather then trying to prove some outlandish theological discussion it was merely because, no one had heard of the Holy Spirit or Christ. Imagine 4K+ years without ever knowing Christ or Holy Spirit even existed.

    S


    Hi cs,
    I do suggest that you read the history of this verse.
    You have misunderstood the meaning of “one baptism” Baptism ,when spoken of without elaboration in scripture refers to water baptism.
    But there is the baptism
    OF JOHN,
    IN THE SPIRIT ,
    and OF FIRE

    as well.
    We are reborn into the kingdom through water and the Spirit and then tested through fire..

    #18478
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Guest @ June 22 2005,14:38)
    http://www.exchangedlife.com/Sermons/topical/trinity/church_believed.shtml

    “There is such a wealth of information and many, many more quotes available that I did not use here. I presented enough quotations to give a glimpse into the doctrine of each of these men and to show a consistent line from the apostles to the Council of Nicaea. These are not the heretics speaking, but the church fathers that have never been disputed in the church for their Trinitarian doctrine. They are the foundation of the church. They carried the light directly from the source and passed it on. We see a consistent doctrine passed down and in agreement as to what the church believed from the apostles all the way through the Council of Nicaea, where the church officially wrote a creed of beliefs. All of these bishops and theologians are unified in their agreement. The early church believed that there was one God; the person of the Father who was the one God; the person of the Son, Jesus Christ, who was the one God; and the person of the Holy Spirit, who was the one God; and that these three are one of essence or substance, and in unity yet eternally distinct.”

    “We should take notice that there is no record of the church fathers who believed in the Triune God as being counted as heretics or being refuted by the church until after Constantine sided with Arius the heretic. All of the church’s documented position was always Trinitarian. The heretics were always challenged for denying the Trinity and the deity of Christ. Historic Christianity, which was passed down from the Apostles has always affirmed this position. The heresies (those who denied the Trinity) were the challengers, as we will see in the 3rd part of this study.”


    Hi FYI,
    Actually that is not so . The trinity theory started as a binity, and became an unequal trinity and then continued to evolve over the centuries till the final formula was settled on.
    Truth does not evolve.

    #18479
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Nick,

    True, truth does not evolve. On that we agree.

    However, the revelation of that truth is progressive. Do you honestly think all that can be known of God is known by us here on earth? Is there no more that will be revealed?

    Do we see through a glass dimly?

    #18480
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Yes we do FYI,
    But we must abide in the teaching of Jesus Christ. He did not teach trinity but men started teaching this doctrine many years after his resurrection. Again the work of the Spirit is to remind us of the words of Jesus and not the doctrines of men.
    Faithfulness to the Master will be measured by faithfulness to his words and not those of foolish men.

    #18481
    Frank4YAHWEH
    Participant

    I thought it interesting that trinity sounds much like trimurti with the same concept.

    trimurti

    The triad of gods consisting of Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver, and Shiva the destroyer as the three highest manifestations of the one ultimate reality.

    #18482
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Frank,
    Should we be surprised that other belief systems are based on theology similar to that of orthodox christianity. Satan is, after all, a master counterfeiter. So i fail to see how you can apply this argument to discredit trinitarianism.

    #18483
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Guest @ June 23 2005,01:31)
    Frank,
    Should we be surprised that other belief systems are based on theology similar to that of orthodox christianity. Satan is, after all, a master counterfeiter. So i fail to see how you can apply this argument to discredit trinitarianism.


    Hi FFF,
    Yes we should be surprised because only trinity theory makes our God like unto any pagan idol-external to us as an icon of the wall.

    We are born again INTO Jesus Christ. We are part of God's family, sons of God and brothers too of Jesus and we share the Spirit of God and can commune with Him in that Spirit.

    That is totally different to pagan idol worship.

    #18484
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Quote (Guest @ June 23 2005,01:31)
    Frank,
    Should we be surprised that other belief systems are based on theology similar to that of orthodox christianity. Satan is, after all, a master counterfeiter. So i fail to see how you can apply this argument to discredit trinitarianism.


    Is the Trinity Pagan?

    The answers:

    http://www.letusreason.org/Trin8.htm

    #18485
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    If Jesus Christ is of the same unified substance as God then:
    He has never become the only begotten Son.
    He was never with God. He is still part of that God.

    A son is never attached to his Father. A son derives being from a father but has life in himself.

    That makes God a liar FYI.

    #18486
    epistemaniac
    Participant

    we should be surprised that people continue to err in comparing the trinity to tritheism…. but hey… some poeple continue in error because thats what they want to do…

    we should also be surprised that simply by comparing the trinity to nonChristian tritheistic religions has people believing that they have somehow disproven the trinity itself, this is nothing more than guilty by association…. it would be like disproving Christianity, Judiasm and Islam by pointing out that other ancient religions which preceded them also believed there was a being they called a “god”…. once again… it just doesn't follow….

    #18487
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Tell me E,
    Are you a believer in Islam?

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