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Yea i've come to notice in anti-trinitarian responses a big misconception.
Trinitarianism doesn't state that GOD IS triune. It doesn't state that, that is the essence of his existance.
Or least in my beliefs…
I understand that God is 1 Being…The Father is One.
The trinity comes in to help us understand who Jesus and The Holy Spirit are…and why we can worship them.
The trinity lets us understand that Jesus and The Holy Spirit are manifestations of The Father.
The Father's Word
and
The Father's Wisdom.Given identities.
So if The Father manifests his Word as His Son, and his Wisdom as The Holy Spirit…
Then The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are the 3 manifestations of God.
The father is The True unknowable form of God.
The son and Holy Spirit are assumed identities of not The Father himself, but of his Word and Wisdom.
So when you honor the word or wisdom….or Jesus and The Holy Spirit….you Honor The Father that it all came from.
This is the trinitarian belief…
So yes God is still 1 and only.
When it says, The Son created all things…it makes sense when you think of it as…
God's Word was the beginning of all things…
When he uttered: let there be…and everything existed from that….
The Father Created it because it was HIS WORDS…
but HIS WORDS ARE JESUS…so yes everything was a product of Jesus' Hands.Hi R,
God does not need your help to reveal Himself.
Your additions to what is sacred are less than helpful.
What is written is that Jesus said he is the Son of God.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 28 2009,07:54) Hi R,
God does not need your help to reveal Himself.
Your additions to what is sacred are less than helpful.
What is written is that Jesus said he is the Son of God.
It also says the Father, Son, and Holy spirit are one.
It also says The Word was with God, Was God, and was made Flesh.The Bible has Jesus saying, restore me to the glory I shared with you before the World was.
Yet YHWH said himself I will not share my glory with another.
Do you make God a liar Nick?
Hi R,
It also says several times that Jesus is a man.
Is God a man?Jesus says in Jn8.54 that the Father is the God of the Jews.
But you would make the speaker their God?It says in jn 17 Jesus had glory with God but does not say they shared the same glory.
Please be accurate before you make assumptions and judge.
Hi R,
Trinity is just a human construct drawn by speculative men from Scripture.
So it does not need to be believed in or justified as scripture is silent on the issue.
Jesus said he is the SON of God. and we really should listen to our appointed teacher.Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 28 2009,07:45) Yea i've come to notice in anti-trinitarian responses a big misconception. Trinitarianism doesn't state that GOD IS triune. It doesn't state that, that is the essence of his existance.
Or least in my beliefs…
I understand that God is 1 Being…The Father is One.
The trinity comes in to help us understand who Jesus and The Holy Spirit are…and why we can worship them.
The trinity lets us understand that Jesus and The Holy Spirit are manifestations of The Father.
The Father's Word
and
The Father's Wisdom.Given identities.
So if The Father manifests his Word as His Son, and his Wisdom as The Holy Spirit…
Then The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are the 3 manifestations of God.
The father is The True unknowable form of God.
The son and Holy Spirit are assumed identities of not The Father himself, but of his Word and Wisdom.
So when you honor the word or wisdom….or Jesus and The Holy Spirit….you Honor The Father that it all came from.
This is the trinitarian belief…
So yes God is still 1 and only.
When it says, The Son created all things…it makes sense when you think of it as…
God's Word was the beginning of all things…
When he uttered: let there be…and everything existed from that….
The Father Created it because it was HIS WORDS…
but HIS WORDS ARE JESUS…so yes everything was a product of Jesus' Hands.
You know I belonged to the Catholic Church from birth, til I was 46 years old and my Husband was 47. I taught the trinity doctrine to our 4 Children, so I know, what it is and what it stands for. But I have never heard of how you explain the trinity. We never read the Bible, nobody did at that time. I don't know if they do now. That was 24 years ago. But I have never heard that we need help to understand the trinity. There is no trinity. You cannot find that word anywhere in the Bible. We are to prove all thing. You cannot prove it. But I can prove that it dos not exist.
Ephesians 4:6 ….one God and Father of al, who is above all, and through all, and in us all,By Jesus own words He said this in
John 14:28 for my Father is greater then I.
The trinity is 3in1 and all are equal in power. So where do you see that. Not in my Bible. And probably not in yours either.
Question that somebody put to me. If the Holy Spirit is a person, and it was the Spirit that visited Mary and She had a Son. So if the Spirit is a person, then He is the Father of Jesus? And that my friend is not so. Throughout the Bible you
read that the Spirit is the Fathers Spirit. And Mary bore the Son of God.
Peace and Love IreneOk then to worship, praise, and call a Man like Jesus…your God would be Idolatry.
Don't forget After Jesus' Ressurection he appeared to thomas and showed him that he was ressurected.
Thomas replied in the manner….
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.
29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
I thought all capital LORD was reserved for YHWH alone and Jesus lower case Lord?
He also called him his God.
Would calling a mere man your God not be Idolatry?
Yet Jesus was called that by many…isn't calling him your personal Lord and Saviour acknowledging him as your God, just like Thomas did?
If Jesus was but a man, and seperate from YHWH's glory, then this would clearly be Idolatry.
Therefore making Jesus and all of Christianity a lie.
Reconcile this contradiction for me please.
hi R,
God was in him.
When he saw Jesus he saw him AND his God.
Jesus explained this to Thomas in Jn14 and he was a very apt student.Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 29 2009,07:21) Ok then to worship, praise, and call a Man like Jesus…your God would be Idolatry. Don't forget After Jesus' Ressurection he appeared to thomas and showed him that he was ressurected.
Thomas replied in the manner….
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.
29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
I thought all capital LORD was reserved for YHWH alone and Jesus lower case Lord?
He also called him his God.
Would calling a mere man your God not be Idolatry?
Yet Jesus was called that by many…isn't calling him your personal Lord and Saviour acknowledging him as your God, just like Thomas did?
If Jesus was but a man, and seperate from YHWH's glory, then this would clearly be Idolatry.
Therefore making Jesus and all of Christianity a lie.
Reconcile this contradiction for me please.
And who is worshipping Jesus? Not I my friend. Even though in Hebrew 1:8 And To the Son He said:” Your Throne, O God is forever and ever, a scepter of righteousness, is Your scepter of Your Kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness:” Therefore God Your God, has anointed You with
the oil of gladness more then Your companions.No I would not worship Jesus, but I Honor Jesus, because He is our King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He deserves that Honor for what He did for us.
When you understand what the word God means you will not have any problems with the name God. It is a title just like a Family Name is a title. We are called the Sons of God. We are the Family of God.
You are calling Jesus the Father God. You don't know that when LORD is all capital letters, it is God the Father. My Bible in John 2o:28 says Lord the way it supposed to be.
Jesus was not a mere man either, He preexisted His birth as a man, and therefore He knew what was at stake if He sinned.You are certainly mixed up. I have never really worshipped Jesus, even when I believed in the trinity so long ago now.
Calling all that believe that the are Christians and Jesus liars is not a wise thing to do. Well I hope I straightened you out, I sure hope so.Peace and Love Irene
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