Tribulation Timing

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2013,12:57)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 13 2013,15:04) EDJ. This is the great day of the Lord. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, We are in “the Day of the LORD”, that's why the rudiments are burning up. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed

Please explain what rudiments are

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 14 2013,14:42)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2013,12:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 13 2013,15:04) EDJ. This is the great day of the Lord. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, We are in “the Day of the LORD”, that's why the rudiments are burning up. God bless Ed J Hi Ed Please explain what rudiments are

Hi Journey42,

“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain
 deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments
 of the world, and not after Christ.” (Col 2:8)
I also posted to you in our thread.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2013,15:16)

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 14 2013,14:42) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2013,12:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 13 2013,15:04) EDJ. This is the great day of the Lord. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, We are in “the Day of the LORD”, that's why the rudiments are burning up. God bless Ed J Hi Ed Please explain what rudiments are Hi Journey42, “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain  deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments  of the world, and not after Christ.” (Col 2:8) I also posted to you in our thread. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

You've only just quoted the scripture. I know that scripture. What does rudiments mean?

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 14 2013,15:39)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2013,15:16) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 14 2013,14:42) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2013,12:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 13 2013,15:04) EDJ. This is the great day of the Lord. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, We are in “the Day of the LORD”, that's why the rudiments are burning up. God bless Ed J Hi Ed Please explain what rudiments are Hi Journey42, “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain  deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments  of the world, and not after Christ.” (Col 2:8) I also posted to you in our thread. God bless Ed J Hi Ed, You've only just quoted the scripture.  I know that scripture.  What does rudiments mean?

Hi Journey42,

You're a teacher and you do not know what this means?

rudiments: element, principle, rudiment.

Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of stoicheo; something orderly in arrangement, i.e. (by implication)
a serial (basal, fundamental, initial) constituent (literally), proposition (figuratively) — element, principle, rudiment.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2013,12:57)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 13 2013,15:04) EDJ. This is the great day of the Lord. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, We are in “the Day of the LORD”, that's why the rudiments are burning up. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ.

You are claiming the exact opposite.
Instead of the rudiments being burned up;
the scriptures say that there will be a falling away.
The gospel is being burned,by the leaders,supported by the shepherds.

wakeup.

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2013,16:20)

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 14 2013,15:39) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2013,15:16) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 14 2013,14:42) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2013,12:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 13 2013,15:04) EDJ. This is the great day of the Lord. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, We are in “the Day of the LORD”, that's why the rudiments are burning up. God bless Ed J Hi Ed Please explain what rudiments are Hi Journey42, “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain  deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments  of the world, and not after Christ.” (Col 2:8) I also posted to you in our thread. God bless Ed J Hi Ed, You've only just quoted the scripture.  I know that scripture.  What does rudiments mean? Hi Journey42, You're a teacher and you do not know what this means? rudiments: element, principle, rudiment. Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of stoicheo; something orderly in arrangement, i.e. (by implication) a serial (basal, fundamental, initial) constituent (literally), proposition (figuratively) — element, principle, rudiment. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ok Ed,

That was the dictionary meaning.

Now tell me in your own words exactly what rudiments God will burn up, or is burning up now according to your view.

[journey42]

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 14 2013,18:47)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2013,16:20) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 14 2013,15:39) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2013,15:16) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 14 2013,14:42) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2013,12:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 13 2013,15:04) EDJ. This is the great day of the Lord. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, We are in “the Day of the LORD”, that's why the rudiments are burning up. God bless Ed J Hi Ed Please explain what rudiments are Hi Journey42, “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain  deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments  of the world, and not after Christ.” (Col 2:8) I also posted to you in our thread. God bless Ed J Hi Ed, You've only just quoted the scripture.  I know that scripture.  What does rudiments mean? Hi Journey42, You're a teacher and you do not know what this means? rudiments: element, principle, rudiment. Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of stoicheo; something orderly in arrangement, i.e. (by implication) a serial (basal, fundamental, initial) constituent (literally), proposition (figuratively) — element, principle, rudiment. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ok Ed, That was the dictionary meaning.   Now tell me in your own words exactly what rudiments God will burn up, or is burning up now according to your view.

Hi Ed

Just pretend I am barely educated, homeless, with no computer, or dictionary. I just have the bible that I read.

This is all I can find in the scriptures speaking of rudiments.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

I can't see anything about us being in the day of the Lord now, nor does it say that the rudiments are burning up.

If you can explain to me in your own words what rudiments mean in the above scriptures, then I will have faith that you understand it yourself and can teach.

How would you explain it to me?

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 14 2013,18:17)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2013,12:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 13 2013,15:04) EDJ. This is the great day of the Lord. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, We are in “the Day of the LORD”, that's why the rudiments are burning up. God bless Ed J EDJ. You are claiming the exact opposite. Instead of the rudiments being burned up; the scriptures say that there will be a falling away. The gospel is being burned,by the leaders,supported by the shepherds. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

The falling away has been ongoing for the last 1,500+ years.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 14 2013,18:47)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2013,16:20) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 14 2013,15:39) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2013,15:16) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 14 2013,14:42) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2013,12:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 13 2013,15:04) EDJ. This is the great day of the Lord. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, We are in “the Day of the LORD”, that's why the rudiments are burning up. God bless Ed J Hi Ed Please explain what rudiments are Hi Journey42, “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain  deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments  of the world, and not after Christ.” (Col 2:8) I also posted to you in our thread. God bless Ed J Hi Ed, You've only just quoted the scripture.  I know that scripture.  What does rudiments mean? Hi Journey42, You're a teacher and you do not know what this means? rudiments: element, principle, rudiment. Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of stoicheo; something orderly in arrangement, i.e. (by implication) a serial (basal, fundamental, initial) constituent (literally), proposition (figuratively) — element, principle, rudiment. God bless Ed J Ok Ed, That was the dictionary meaning.   Now tell me in your own words exactly what rudiments God will burn up, or is burning up now according to your view.

Hi Journey42,

That was the definition of the Greek word (στοιχεῖα) that “both” Paul and Peter used in their Epistles.
The Rudiments: refers to the incomplete basic logic that people hold in their understanding of God.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 15 2013,00:15)

Hi Ed Just pretend I am barely educated, homeless, with no computer, or dictionary.  I just have the bible that I read. This is all I can find in the scriptures speaking of rudiments. Colossians 2:8   Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Colossians 2:20   Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, I can't see anything about us being in the day of the Lord now, nor does it say that the rudiments are burning up. If you can explain to me in your own words what rudiments mean in the above scriptures, then I will have faith that you understand it yourself and can teach. How would you explain it to me?

Hi Journey42,

I would suggest you read 2Peter Chapter 3, and insert the
meaning of rudiments into the text where elements is used;
because “elements” makes YOU think of iron, clay, and gold.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2013,05:42)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 14 2013,18:17) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2013,12:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 13 2013,15:04) EDJ. This is the great day of the Lord. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, We are in “the Day of the LORD”, that's why the rudiments are burning up. God bless Ed J EDJ. You are claiming the exact opposite. Instead of the rudiments being burned up; the scriptures say that there will be a falling away. The gospel is being burned,by the leaders,supported by the shepherds. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, The falling away has been ongoing for the last 1,500+ years. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ.

Its not working EDJ.

King James Version (KJV)

3 This know also, that **IN THE LAST DAYS** perilous times shall come.(not last 1500 yrs).

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2013,05:58)

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 15 2013,00:15) Hi Ed Just pretend I am barely educated, homeless, with no computer, or dictionary.  I just have the bible that I read. This is all I can find in the scriptures speaking of rudiments. Colossians 2:8   Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Colossians 2:20   Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, I can't see anything about us being in the day of the Lord now, nor does it say that the rudiments are burning up. If you can explain to me in your own words what rudiments mean in the above scriptures, then I will have faith that you understand it yourself and can teach. How would you explain it to me? Hi Journey42, I would suggest you read 2Peter Chapter 3, and insert the meaning of rudiments into the text where elements is used; because “elements” makes YOU think of iron, clay, and gold. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EdJ.

2 Peter 3:10   But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, ***THE EARTH ALSO***and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

*THE EARTH* AND THE WORKS **THAT ARE THEREIN**.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 15 2013,07:52)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2013,05:58) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 15 2013,00:15) Hi Ed Just pretend I am barely educated, homeless, with no computer, or dictionary.  I just have the bible that I read. This is all I can find in the scriptures speaking of rudiments. Colossians 2:8   Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Colossians 2:20   Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, I can't see anything about us being in the day of the Lord now, nor does it say that the rudiments are burning up. If you can explain to me in your own words what rudiments mean in the above scriptures, then I will have faith that you understand it yourself and can teach. How would you explain it to me? Hi Journey42, I would suggest you read 2Peter Chapter 3, and insert the meaning of rudiments into the text where elements is used; because “elements” makes YOU think of iron, clay, and gold. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EdJ. 2 Peter 3:10   But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, ***THE EARTH ALSO***and the works that are therein shall be burned up. *THE EARTH* AND THE WORKS **THAT ARE THEREIN**. wakeup.

THE WORKS THAT ARE THEREIN

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2013,09:19)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 15 2013,07:52) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2013,05:58) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 15 2013,00:15) Hi Ed Just pretend I am barely educated, homeless, with no computer, or dictionary.  I just have the bible that I read. This is all I can find in the scriptures speaking of rudiments. Colossians 2:8   Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Colossians 2:20   Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, I can't see anything about us being in the day of the Lord now, nor does it say that the rudiments are burning up. If you can explain to me in your own words what rudiments mean in the above scriptures, then I will have faith that you understand it yourself and can teach. How would you explain it to me? Hi Journey42, I would suggest you read 2Peter Chapter 3, and insert the meaning of rudiments into the text where elements is used; because “elements” makes YOU think of iron, clay, and gold. God bless Ed J EdJ. 2 Peter 3:10   But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, ***THE EARTH ALSO***and the works that are therein shall be burned up. *THE EARTH* AND THE WORKS **THAT ARE THEREIN**. wakeup. THE WORKS THAT ARE THEREIN

Hi Wakeup,

The rudiments are what gets burned up. Please understand how 1Cor 3:12-15 connects to 2Peter 3:14:

“Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work
 shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire;
 and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide
 which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned,           (<– here the rudiments get burned up)
 he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.” (1 Cor 3:12-15)

“Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent
 that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.” (2 Peter 3:14)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2013,09:37)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2013,09:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 15 2013,07:52) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2013,05:58) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 15 2013,00:15) Hi Ed Just pretend I am barely educated, homeless, with no computer, or dictionary.  I just have the bible that I read. This is all I can find in the scriptures speaking of rudiments. Colossians 2:8   Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Colossians 2:20   Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, I can't see anything about us being in the day of the Lord now, nor does it say that the rudiments are burning up. If you can explain to me in your own words what rudiments mean in the above scriptures, then I will have faith that you understand it yourself and can teach. How would you explain it to me? Hi Journey42, I would suggest you read 2Peter Chapter 3, and insert the meaning of rudiments into the text where elements is used; because “elements” makes YOU think of iron, clay, and gold. God bless Ed J EdJ. 2 Peter 3:10   But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, ***THE EARTH ALSO***and the works that are therein shall be burned up. *THE EARTH* AND THE WORKS **THAT ARE THEREIN**. wakeup. THE WORKS THAT ARE THEREIN Hi Wakeup, The rudiments are what gets burned up. Please understand how 1Cor 3:12-15 connects to 2Peter 3:14: “Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work  shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire;  and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide  which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned,           (<– here the rudiments get burned up)  he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.” (1 Cor 3:12-15) “Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent  that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.” (2 Peter 3:14) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ.

Just stop for a second and think.

1.Peter said,the earth also.
2.some of the works on earth can not be burned.
such as concrete and steel,and all the cities under the earth and under the sea.

The sea also is poluted,and the soil.

There is only one solution: The melting of the earth.
and the heavens will be rolled up like a scroll.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Destroy the ground, because it is cursed, you say?

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2013,10:33)

Destroy the ground, because it is cursed, you say?

EDJ.

The earth itself is cursed,because of mans work on it.
the sun ,the moon,and planets, all that have been worshipped by man.

wakeup.

[abe]

Hi all,

Matt.24:31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32“From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. 33So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 34Truly, I say to you, this Generation will not pass away until all these things TAKE place. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

No One Knows That Day and Hour

36“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, NOR the Son, but the Father ONLY.

Peace brothers and sister.

[Wakeup]

Quote (abe @ Mar. 22 2013,17:24)

Hi all, Matt.24:31   And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32“From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. 33So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 34Truly, I say to you, this Generation    will not pass away    until all these things  TAKE  place. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. No One Knows That Day and Hour 36“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, NOR  the   Son,   but the Father  ONLY. Peace brothers and sister.

Abe.

THE DAY AND THE HOUR no one knows,I agree.
But the month or the week we can know, by studying rev.11.
closely.

The earth will be melted only after:
The 1000yrs are expired,and after gog and magog,and after the second resurrection.

After the earth has been renewed;God will himself come down,and dwell amongst us.

wakeup.

[abe]

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 21 2013,23:53)

Quote (abe @ Mar. 22 2013,17:24) Hi all, Matt.24:31   And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32“From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. 33So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 34Truly, I say to you, this Generation    will not pass away    until all these things  TAKE  place. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. No One Knows That Day and Hour 36“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, NOR  the   Son,   but the Father  ONLY. Peace brothers and sister. Abe. THE DAY AND THE HOUR no one knows,I agree. But the month or the week we can know, by studying rev.11. closely. The earth will be melted only after: The 1000yrs are expired,and after gog and magog,and after the second resurrection. After the earth has been renewed;God will himself come down,and dwell amongst us. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Acts1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, will you at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7And he said to them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father has put in his own power.

Peace brother.

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