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Quote (abe @ Mar. 07 2013,16:27) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 06 2013,17:32) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2013,08:35) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 07 2013,08:02) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 07 2013,07:55) And the graves will be opened,and the dead shall rise first
to meet the Lord in the clouds.wakeup.
It is interesting to note that this appeared to happen when Jesus was resurrected. Matthew 27:52The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.
So it could be that the dead are raised up from that point on, as it is written: “To die is to be present with the lord/Lord/LORD (not sure which one)”. Then we who are alive will join them at some specific point in time.
Hi T8,I'm glad you get it!
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
t8.Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,(revived),after jesus resurrection.
Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
1. Many bodies; not new resurrected bodies.
2.They are seen by many.
3. They did not go to heaven ,but to the holy city jerusalem.This is not the resurrection,for they died again.
Just as Lazarus was revived and brought back to life,but he died again.There is only one great day of the resurrection; and that is at the second coming.
Christ was first;then the Elders followed after John of revelation died.
At the second coming; the 144000 first,then the rest after they have gone through the fire.rev7:9.14.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Jn.8:51 Truly, truly, I say to you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. 52Then said the Jews to him, Now we know that you have a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and you say, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. 53Are you greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom make you yourself? 54Jesus answered, If I honor myself, my honor is nothing: it is my Father that honors me; of whom you say, that he is your God: 55Yet you have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like to you: but I know him, and keep his saying. 56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Peace brother.
Abe.It is true What Jesus said re' Abraham and the prophets being dead and in the graves.
He is looking at it from the world of the living time zone.But the dead are not in our time zone.Time is also dead.
They will not experience the waiting in the grave,before the resurrection. It all will be in an instant.They did not see death; its just like falling in a deep sleep,and then wake up.
Abraham saw Jesus day in a vision.
Abraham saw the Lord in real,appearing as an angel.
He also met the Lord as king Melchizedek.We that are alive are still waiting for the day of our resurrection. But there is no waiting for the dead.
wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 07 2013,18:34) Now let see what happen,yes there was a resurrection where many saints came back to live , But who where they??? And why was that resurrection
Scriptures says that many will sit with Abraham ,Isaac ,and Jacobs and others in the kingdom of God,
For those who died prior to Christ dead could they receive part in the kingdom of God ,that is in heaven,???
Like to see answers
Terra.1.Those saints are not mentioned by name so we dont know.
But they went to the city after brought back to life.2. The purpose of that miracle is the same as the earth quake
and the splitting of the veil of the temple.To show that he really is the son of God.3. Many will sit with Abraham,Isaac,and jacob,in paradise.
Paradise is only the first dominion of the 1000yr kingdom.4,The ones that died before Christ has to go through Christ in paradise,they will be taught by the resurrected saints,which already have inherited heaven.
The chosen jews will be taught by the resurrected saints.
The saints will rule with Christ over the jews in; and the gentiles outside the kingdom.wakeup.
Did anyone think what the guys in the video said about Tribulation and Wrath being two different things?
They said that Tribulation is persecution of the saints and God's wrath was specifically for the wicked. Thus we endure the Tribulation just as we endure tribulations, while we will not endure wrath.
If this is true, then the blessed hope is not imminent, rather it is for those who endure to the end. That is just before the sun and the moon are darkened.
Also, do you agree or disagree that the Book of Revelation has 2 halves that match up when put side by side. i.e., chapters 1-11 and 12 to 22.
t8,
1) I believe that the sun and the moon being darkened are to do with the truth not being told or the spiritual light diminishing in the last days — the sun being Jesus and the moon representing believers, or something like that (I have a head-cold at the moment!)
2) I believe that Revelations repeats itself — retells things more than once.
What are you meaning by the video [which I have not watched] saying “the Book of Revelation has 2 halves that match up when put side by side. i.e., chapters 1-11 and 12 to 22.”
Can you say a little bit more.
Thank-you.t8,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Did anyone think what the guys in the video said about Tribulation and Wrath being two different things?
Hi T8I think the guy in the video is a little mixed up on a few things.
The tribulation of the saints, is when they get persecuted by the world for Christ's sake and suffer affliction.
In the old days, they went through tribulation and were killed for following Christ, and in the last days will be the same. This tribulation of the last days is when all the saints throughout the whole world will have to make a final decision on who they will serve, and they will be forced into a corner whether to take the mark of the beast or not. If they do not take it, then they will enter tribulation because persecution will arise, and they will suffer loss for their love of Christ.
The wrath of God starts after the mark is issued and comes in the form of the seven trumpets, …from the first trump to the seventh, and is poured out on to the whole world as revenge on what they did to the saints. The seven trumpets is also a tribulation, but tribulation for the world to go through. A different tribulation…vengeance of the Lord on the unholy. They will suffer loss not for Christ's sake, but for what they did to the saints.
That's why Christ said, Come out of her my people lest you share in her sins, because she (Babylon the great, the world) is going to be punished.
Quote They said that Tribulation is persecution of the saints and God's wrath was specifically for the wicked. Thus we endure the Tribulation just as we endure tribulations, while we will not endure wrath.
Yes, it's one or the other. Punishment from the world, or punishment from God. I know what I would rather.Quote If this is true, then the blessed hope is not imminent, rather it is for those who endure to the end. That is just before the sun and the moon are darkened.
He that endures to the end is for all generations. To the end of your life,…..however long your life is, and the pressure is on the last generation to be strong also and to endure what's coming, for this is a good sign that our names are written in the Lambs book of life.Quote (t8 @ Mar. 07 2013,21:29) Also, do you agree or disagree that the Book of Revelation has 2 halves that match up when put side by side. i.e., chapters 1-11 and 12 to 22.
No, not really. Not a general rulebut Chapters 8 & 9 matches up with chapter 16.
And chapter 7:1-8 matches up with chapter 14:1-5,
just a few here and there. Not entire chapters.Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 08 2013,05:38) t8,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Did anyone think what the guys in the video said about Tribulation and Wrath being two different things?
Hi T8I think the guy in the video is a little mixed up on a few things.
The tribulation of the saints, is when they get persecuted by the world for Christ's sake and suffer affliction.
In the old days, they went through tribulation and were killed for following Christ, and in the last days will be the same. This tribulation of the last days is when all the saints throughout the whole world will have to make a final decision on who they will serve, and they will be forced into a corner whether to take the mark of the beast or not. If they do not take it, then they will enter tribulation because persecution will arise, and they will suffer loss for their love of Christ.
The wrath of God starts after the mark is issued and comes in the form of the seven trumpets, …from the first trump to the seventh, and is poured out on to the whole world as revenge on what they did to the saints. The seven trumpets is also a tribulation, but tribulation for the world to go through. A different tribulation…vengeance of the Lord on the unholy. They will suffer loss not for Christ's sake, but for what they did to the saints.
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journey42, what you have written doesn't seem to disagree at all with the views in that video. One of us must have not watched it properly. Could have been me, but your main points seem to line up.Quote (2besee @ Mar. 08 2013,00:46) What are you meaning by the video [which I have not watched] saying “the Book of Revelation has 2 halves that match up when put side by side. i.e., chapters 1-11 and 12 to 22.”
This video from the first page in this thread.I believe that Revelation like all other books in the bible are written to give us information of what Gods plans ,what he did, what he do, what is still to come,
Many things on the earth are mostly a repetition with variation ,like the world powers they are all similar powers ,,with and forward motion in time,and so end up at seven ,and 8,
It is us the viewer that as a problem ,reading scriptures with pre conceived ideas or conviction ,will definitely alter the outcome of the written content of it ,
We may say we do not but it takes a lot of self control for not doing it ,
Also,if you do not make sure that wich you already know is true ,you also then can interprete the new information in an false out come ,
I always wander why they have called the apostles the saints, I do understand that you become one by overcoming your own weaknesses ,and one major one his not understanding the truth as God made it available to us ,
Being in the spirit means that you have killed the flesh (not literally) but you have reach a point where you can separate the things of God and the things of this world, this to me is something to be mastered by anyone that wants to be saved ,
Glorifieing God with in our person ,means that through the obedience to him ,we bring forth all the qualities that God posses ,and this includes HIS TRUTH,not ours ,
t8,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
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journey42, what you have written doesn't seem to disagree at all with the views in that video. One of us must have not watched it properly. Could have been me, but your main points seem to line up.Hi T8
It's very subtle, but I picked up his little error when watching the video the second time.
Pastor Anderson quoted;
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shakenthen he quoted
Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened up the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackclock of hair, and the moon became as blood.Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together, and every mountain and island were moved out of their place.Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb.
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?He is missing something. A vital key.
Where are the 7 trumpets? We are on the SIXTH SEAL don't forget, there's a SEVENTH SEAL TO COME AFTER THIS.How can the seven trumpets follow after this?
What I am saying is that when there is a great earthquake, and the sun becomes black as sackcloth, and the moon becomes as blood, and the stars of heaven are shaken, and the heaven departs as a scroll, then it is all FINISHED. The wrath of God is finished. It cannot begin. Pastor Anderson say's the wrath of God starts after this. When in fact it has already been.
So the sixth seal is giving us a real quick rundown of what's happening to the earth at the coming.
The seventh seal gives us the details of the seven trumpets,
The first six trumpets actually takes place in the sixth seal. The seventh trumpet, which is Christ's actual coming and destroying of Babylon, happens at the seventh seal (It is done)
Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants.
Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air, and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying It is done.so the wrath of God starts at the 1st trumpet BEFORE the sun is blackened as sackcloth of hair, and this is the wrath of God from the 1st trump to the 7th. The tribulation of the saints is in the 5th seal. By the time the 6th seal comes, the saints are persecuted already, and the wrath of God begins on the world at the sixth seal.
The 7th seal – it is done. Finished.Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2013,22:32) Hi Wakeup, Meeting the Lord Jesus Christ in the air, happens when
one repents of their sins and two is “Born Again”
by being baptized with God's HolySpirit.
Then “The Word” Speaks THROUGH YOU“take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
For it is not ye that speak, but [the Holy Spirit of God your Father] which speaketh in you.” (Matthew 10:19-20)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd wrote:[/quote]
Quote Meeting the Lord Jesus Christ in the air, happens when
one repents of their sins and two is “Born Again”
by being baptized with God's HolySpirit.Then “The Word” Speaks THROUGH YOU
“take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
For it is not ye that speak, but [the Holy Spirit of God your Father] which speaketh in you.” (Matthew 10:19-20)Hi Ed
What hour?
Matthew 10:16 Behold I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Matthew 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues.
Matthew 10:18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake,for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
Matthew 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. (WHY DID YOU LEAVE OUT THE FIRST PART OF THE SENTENCE?)Matthew 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
Matthew 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and ……cause them to be put to death.
Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.THIS HAPPENED IN THE PAST TO THE APOSTLES
THIS WILL HAPPEN AGAIN TO THE DISCIPLES OF THE LAST GENERATION.
Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world.Matthew 24:9 Then they shall deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my names sake.
Matthew 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Matthew 24:13 But he that endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.God will speak through us when we are delivered up to the courts. This is the persecution of the saints. We will have the last word, and it will have a great impact on them, as it will be God speaking through us.
And when God speaks to the wicked, he cuts.
It doesn't say that God will speak through us in Matt 24, but as you can see, there's a pattern, so I'm guessing that he will just like he did in the past.Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 09 2013,03:44) Hi Ed What hour?
Any hour.“be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh” (1 Peter 3:15)
Quote WHY DID YOU LEAVE OUT THE FIRST PART OF THE SENTENCE? Quoting an entire verse in not necessary when making a point.
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,06:23) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 09 2013,03:44) Hi Ed What hour?
Any hour.“be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh” (1 Peter 3:15)
Quote WHY DID YOU LEAVE OUT THE FIRST PART OF THE SENTENCE? Quoting an entire verse in not necessary when making a point.
Hi EdWhat point were you making?
Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 09 2013,09:31) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,06:23) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 09 2013,03:44) Hi Ed What hour?
Any hour.“be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh” (1 Peter 3:15)
Quote WHY DID YOU LEAVE OUT THE FIRST PART OF THE SENTENCE? Quoting an entire verse in not necessary when making a point.
Hi EdWhat point were you making?
Hi Georgie,Meeting the Lord Jesus Christ in the air, happens when
one repents of their sins and two is “Born Again”
by being baptized with God's HolySpirit.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,13:23) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 09 2013,09:31) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,06:23) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 09 2013,03:44) Hi Ed What hour?
Any hour.“be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh” (1 Peter 3:15)
Quote WHY DID YOU LEAVE OUT THE FIRST PART OF THE SENTENCE? Quoting an entire verse in not necessary when making a point.
Hi EdWhat point were you making?
Hi Georgie,Meeting the Lord Jesus Christ in the air, happens when
one repents of their sins and two is “Born Again”
by being baptized with God's HolySpirit.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No it doesn't Ed.Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 09 2013,14:01)
No it doesn't Ed.
YeperThen “The Word” Speaks THROUGH YOU
“take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
For it is not ye that speak, but [the Holy Spirit of God your Father] which speaketh in you.” (Matthew 10:19-20)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,13:23) Hi Georgie, Meeting the Lord Jesus Christ in the air, happens when
one repents of their sins and two is “Born Again”
by being baptized with God's HolySpirit.God bless
Ed J
Hi Journey42,Did the “Holy Spirit” speak through the Apostle Paul (Shaool), “Yes” or “No”?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,13:23) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 09 2013,09:31) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,06:23) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 09 2013,03:44) Hi Ed What hour?
Any hour.“be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh” (1 Peter 3:15)
Quote WHY DID YOU LEAVE OUT THE FIRST PART OF THE SENTENCE? Quoting an entire verse in not necessary when making a point.
Hi EdWhat point were you making?
Hi Georgie,Meeting the Lord Jesus Christ in the air, happens when
one repents of their sins and two is “Born Again”
by being baptized with God's HolySpirit.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.Every eye shall see him.
Do you believe this or not?wakeup.
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