Tribulation Timing

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 06 2013,23:38)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2013,22:32) Hi Wakeup, Meeting the Lord Jesus Christ in the air, happens when one repents of their sins and two is “Born Again” by being baptized with God's HolySpirit. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EdJ. Scriptures please? wakeup.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

[Ed J]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 07 2013,01:39)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2013,18:58) Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 06 2013,21:37) 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are STILL ALIVE and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words. Hi Wm, Then you agree with me then that meeting in the air is not a Rapture of any sort, right? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed J, No I don't, I was commenting on your statement “The resurrection will happen “AFTER” you die, not while you are still alive”. I'm not sure how you see your teaching fits with scripture. Wm

“The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by  
 reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength
 labor and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.” (Ps. 90:10)

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2013,01:54)

Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 07 2013,01:39) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2013,18:58) Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 06 2013,21:37) 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are STILL ALIVE and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words. Hi Wm, Then you agree with me then that meeting in the air is not a Rapture of any sort, right? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed J, No I don't, I was commenting on your statement “The resurrection will happen “AFTER” you die, not while you are still alive”. I'm not sure how you see your teaching fits with scripture. Wm “The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by    reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength  labor and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.” (Ps. 90:10)

EDJ.

You need to tear out this page in your bible.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are *ALIVE* and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to *MEET* the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 07 2013,03:32)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2013,01:54) Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 07 2013,01:39) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2013,18:58) Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 06 2013,21:37) 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are STILL ALIVE and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words. Hi Wm, Then you agree with me then that meeting in the air is not a Rapture of any sort, right? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed J, No I don't, I was commenting on your statement “The resurrection will happen “AFTER” you die, not while you are still alive”. I'm not sure how you see your teaching fits with scripture. Wm “The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by    reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength  labor and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.” (Ps. 90:10) EDJ. You need to tear out this page in your bible.  1 Thessalonians 4:17   Then we which are *ALIVE* and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to *MEET* the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

The Apostle Paul died.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2013,04:11)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 07 2013,03:32) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2013,01:54) Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 07 2013,01:39) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2013,18:58) Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 06 2013,21:37) 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are STILL ALIVE and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words. Hi Wm, Then you agree with me then that meeting in the air is not a Rapture of any sort, right? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed J, No I don't, I was commenting on your statement “The resurrection will happen “AFTER” you die, not while you are still alive”. I'm not sure how you see your teaching fits with scripture. Wm “The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by    reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength  labor and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.” (Ps. 90:10) EDJ. You need to tear out this page in your bible.  1 Thessalonians 4:17   Then we which are *ALIVE* and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to *MEET* the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, The Apostle Paul died. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EdJ.

And the graves will be opened,and the dead shall rise first
to meet the Lord in the clouds.

wakeup.

[abe]

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 06 2013,02:29)

Quote (abe @ Mar. 06 2013,04:40) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 05 2013,07:27) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 05 2013,20:16) I have heard good arguments for the Tribulation being pre mid and post. I watched this video today and thought it made a good argument. It is post trib. Although I wonder if they have confused teh second coming with the rapture. The 144000 would be taken up first. The rest needs to be purified by fire;go through the great tribulation first. The majority has to make a definite decision,take the mark or reject it. After the tribulation,they also will be taken up. He who saves his life will loose it, and he who loses his life for my sake will find life. wakeup. Hi All, Rom.8:18   For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage of corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. 23And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who  HAVE  the    FIRSTFRUITS    of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 2Cor5:14   For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore ALL died. 15And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again. 16So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. 17Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a NEW  CREATION;  the old has gone, the NEW has come. Peace brothers. Abe. Revelation 7:13   And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?  Revelation 7:14   And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, *THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, AND HAVE WASHED THEIR ROBES*, and *MADE* them white in the blood of the Lamb. (THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH THE FIRE AND MADE WHITE).  Revelation 7:15   Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.  Revelation 7:16   They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.  Revelation 7:17   For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. IT IS THE LAMB THAT WILL FEED THEM,BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT BEEN FED DURING THEIR CHRISTIAN LIFE. BUT THE 144000 HAVE BEEN FEEDING THEMSELVES DURING THEIR LIFE,THEREFORE BEING THE FIRST FRIUTS. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Is this Past Present Future?

Peace brother…

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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2013,07:11)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 07 2013,03:32) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2013,01:54) Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 07 2013,01:39) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2013,18:58) Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 06 2013,21:37) 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are STILL ALIVE and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words. Hi Wm, Then you agree with me then that meeting in the air is not a Rapture of any sort, right? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed J, No I don't, I was commenting on your statement “The resurrection will happen “AFTER” you die, not while you are still alive”. I'm not sure how you see your teaching fits with scripture. Wm “The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by    reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength  labor and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.” (Ps. 90:10) EDJ. You need to tear out this page in your bible.  1 Thessalonians 4:17   Then we which are *ALIVE* and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to *MEET* the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, The Apostle Paul died. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

So either Paul was wrong, or there would be a generation where this would come true and it was not Paul's generation.

Is that not the logical way to see this?

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Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 07 2013,07:55)

And the graves will be opened,and the dead shall rise first to meet the Lord in the clouds. wakeup.

It is interesting to note that this appeared to happen when Jesus was resurrected. Matthew 27:52

The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.

So it could be that the dead are raised up from that point on, as it is written: “To die is to be present with the lord/Lord/LORD (not sure which one)”. Then we who are alive will join them at some specific point in time.

[abe]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 06 2013,13:02)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 07 2013,07:55) And the graves will be opened,and the dead shall rise first to meet the Lord in the clouds. wakeup. It is interesting to note that this appeared to happen when Jesus was resurrected. Matthew 27:52 The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. So it could be that the dead are raised up from that point on, as it is written: “To die is to be present with the lord/Lord/LORD (not sure which one)”. Then we who are alive will join them at some specific point in time.

Hi T8,

Matt.24:34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things are fulfilled.

Peace brother..

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Yet is is written clearly that the tombs were opened at that time.

The generation that sees all these things fulfilled is likely a living generation. People have been dying for quite a while now and to die is to be present with the Lord.

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 07 2013,07:58)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2013,07:11) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 07 2013,03:32) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2013,01:54) Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 07 2013,01:39) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2013,18:58) Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 06 2013,21:37) 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are STILL ALIVE and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words. Hi Wm, Then you agree with me then that meeting in the air is not a Rapture of any sort, right? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed J, No I don't, I was commenting on your statement “The resurrection will happen “AFTER” you die, not while you are still alive”. I'm not sure how you see your teaching fits with scripture. Wm “The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by    reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength  labor and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.” (Ps. 90:10) EDJ. You need to tear out this page in your bible.  1 Thessalonians 4:17   Then we which are *ALIVE* and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to *MEET* the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, The Apostle Paul died. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org So either Paul was wrong, or there would be a generation where this would come true and it was not Paul's generation. Is that not the logical way to see this?

Hi T8,

1 Thessalonians 4:17 is not talking about the resurrection, but about God being revealing to this world in us, God's saints.

“And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony
 among you was believed) in that day.” (2Thess.1:7-10)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 07 2013,08:02)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 07 2013,07:55) And the graves will be opened,and the dead shall rise first to meet the Lord in the clouds. wakeup. It is interesting to note that this appeared to happen when Jesus was resurrected. Matthew 27:52 The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. So it could be that the dead are raised up from that point on, as it is written: “To die is to be present with the lord/Lord/LORD (not sure which one)”. Then we who are alive will join them at some specific point in time.

Hi T8,

I'm glad you get it!

Your brother    
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2013,08:35)

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 07 2013,08:02) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 07 2013,07:55) And the graves will be opened,and the dead shall rise first to meet the Lord in the clouds. wakeup. It is interesting to note that this appeared to happen when Jesus was resurrected. Matthew 27:52 The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. So it could be that the dead are raised up from that point on, as it is written: “To die is to be present with the lord/Lord/LORD (not sure which one)”. Then we who are alive will join them at some specific point in time. Hi T8, I'm glad you get it! Your brother     in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

t8.

Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,(revived),after jesus resurrection.

Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

1. Many bodies; not new resurrected bodies.
2.They are seen by many.
3. They did not go to heaven ,but to the holy city jerusalem.

This is not the resurrection,for they died again.
Just as Lazarus was revived and brought back to life,but he died again.

There is only one great day of the resurrection; and that is at the second coming.

Christ was first;then the Elders followed after John of revelation died.

At the second coming; the 144000 first,then the rest after they have gone through the fire.rev7:9.14.

wakeup.

[abe]

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 06 2013,17:32)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2013,08:35) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 07 2013,08:02) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 07 2013,07:55) And the graves will be opened,and the dead shall rise first to meet the Lord in the clouds. wakeup. It is interesting to note that this appeared to happen when Jesus was resurrected. Matthew 27:52 The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. So it could be that the dead are raised up from that point on, as it is written: “To die is to be present with the lord/Lord/LORD (not sure which one)”. Then we who are alive will join them at some specific point in time. Hi T8, I'm glad you get it! Your brother     in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org t8. Matthew 27:52   And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,(revived),after jesus resurrection.  Matthew 27:53   And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. 1. Many bodies; not new resurrected bodies. 2.They are seen by many. 3. They did not go to heaven ,but to the holy city jerusalem. This is not the resurrection,for they died again. Just as Lazarus was revived and brought back to life,but he died again. There is only one great day of the resurrection; and that is at the second coming. Christ was first;then the Elders followed after John of revelation died. At the second coming; the 144000 first,then the rest after they have gone through the fire.rev7:9.14. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Jn.8:51 Truly, truly, I say to you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. 52Then said the Jews to him, Now we know that you have a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and you say, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. 53Are you greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom make you yourself? 54Jesus answered, If I honor myself, my honor is nothing: it is my Father that honors me; of whom you say, that he is your God: 55Yet you have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like to you: but I know him, and keep his saying. 56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

Peace brother.

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Quote (abe @ Mar. 07 2013,19:27)

Jn.8:51 Truly, truly, I say to you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

Good point.
And we know that to die is to be present with the Lord.
As Paul says:

We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

We also know that God is the God of the living. And Jesus took the keys of death from the Devil. Since then, I would imagine that things have changed since the time when the righteous and wicked dead were in Hades and separated by a gulf.

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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2013,11:35)

Hi T8, I'm glad you get it! Your brother     in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J. Did you think that you taught me this?

No, I didn't get it. I already had it.

That should have occurred to you first.

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Guys, when I was in my early twenties, God took me up and showed me Paradise.

A little while later, I experienced being cut off from God in the world of the dead. Also, I do not believe in eternal torture by a loving God, so what I experienced was horrible beyond belief, but I know that it is not eternal. Because death and hell are thrown into the Lake of Fire to be destroyed along with the old earth too.

My experience is here if you are interested.

https://heavennet.net/visions/the-river-of-life/

[terraricca]

Now let see what happen,yes there was a resurrection where many saints came back to live ,

But who where they??? And why was that resurrection

Scriptures says that many will sit with Abraham ,Isaac ,and Jacobs and others in the kingdom of God,

For those who died prior to Christ dead could they receive part in the kingdom of God ,that is in heaven,???

Like to see answers

[2besee]

All,
Yes I believe the same as t8 and abe.

I believe the scriptures when they say that those who know God will never taste death. I believe that when we die, we will be with the Lord, hopefully.

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 07 2013,18:16)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2013,11:35) Hi T8, I'm glad you get it! Your brother     in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed J. Did you think that you taught me this? No, I didn't get it. I already had it. That should have occurred to you first.

I did NOT say: 'I'm glad you finally got it now'
What I did say was: “I'm glad you get it!”

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