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“Come to our religion and you will be saved” is their catch cry..
Just proclaim that Jesus came in the flesh and accept Him as your savior, and you WILL be saved is the claim…WRONG.
A simplistic spiritually blinded view point seriously lacking in understanding.2 Peter 2:3
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make MERCHANDISE of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.This is their true intention for you. To use you as cogs in their organizations. To make you representatives for their institutions. Church first…profits second…members third…God fourth…truth not necessary.
And what does scripture say concerning those ones who go around preaching “we are saved, we are saved” ?
Scripture is quite blunt and unfortunate for these foolish shepherds that preach this feel good lollipop lie.
First though, before we address their catch cry, lets undo their trusty scripture they abuse so cleverly to first draw the ignorant in…
Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.Sounds all touchy feely and final doesn't it?
Just confess that you believe in Jesus, and that He was raised from the dead, and you WILL be saved….Oh the GRACE of God they say…But what of these?
These confessed and believed in Christ…Matthew 7:22-23
>Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy Name? and in Thy Name have cast out devils, and in Thy Name done many wonderful works?
>And I will profess unto them, I never knew you, ye that work iniquity.MANY will confess to the Lord…MANY…MANY that BELIEVED that Jesus was raised from the dead and confessed His Name before men, and even did miracles in His Name…YET…these were REJECTED.
But what of Romans 10:9?
Something else is obviously going on here.
What is going on?
Here's what…James 1:22-24
22> But be ye DOERS of the Word, and NOT HEARERS ONLY, DECEIVING your OWN SELVES.
23> For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his NATURAL face in a glass:
24> For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightaway forgetteth what manner of man he was.And here, just a FEW more:
John 8:31
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye CONTINUE in my word, [then] are ye my disciples indeed;John 15:9
As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: CONTINUE ye in my love.Acts 13:43
Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to CONTINUE in the grace of God.Acts 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, [and] exhorting them to CONTINUE in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.Acts 26:22
Having therefore obtained help of God, I CONTINUE unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:Romans 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou CONTINUE in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.1 Timothy 4:16
Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; CONTINUE in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.We must CONTINUE…
And what happens when one CONTINUES in the DOCTRINE of Christ?
One CHANGES…
One bears fruits of the spirit…
One GROWS…
The whole message of Jesus…
SUBMIT…CHANGE YOUR WAYS and I and My Father WILL come to you and TEACH you.
Put away PRIDE, and self pleasures, PUT ME FIRST and WE will come to you.
Christ will TEACH YOU…
Forget about professors, and learned men, they can NOT teach you Christ's truth, they can only teach you university based understandings…which is confusion in self interpretations and puffed up egos.Here is conformation in scripture:
Matthew 11:25
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the WISE and PRUDENT, and hast revealed them unto BABES.BABES people….UNLEARNED people who CHANGE and GROW and CONTINUE in Christ…THESE are TAUGHT the TRUTH…
Do you think non believing wise and prudent men CARE at all about learning of Christ?
Of course not…but WISE and PRUDENT university taught types certainly wish to know…if but for their OWN purposes of puffed up self glory etc..
So WHO teaches TRUTH…
CHRIST.
NOT professors of theology etc…
THESE professors etc have the truth HIDDEN from them for puffing themselves up and attempting to understand Christ with THEIR OWN UNDERSTANDING WITHOUT CHANGE and continuance..
Where do you think all these thousands of doctrines come from?
From these very same “learned” men who are actually fools in Gods eyes.So now match this with Romans 10 and a clearer understanding emerges…
Not some fairy floss interpretation of merely believing and you will be saved!!!
That GRACE will cover you and just keep on living your lifestyle as before with but a little tiny changing of your ways…LIES.
Christ requires a full change of processes, which is GROWTH.
Heck, even Satan believes!!
Will he be saved?
No, and neither will those wicked shepherds who teach such immature simplistic doctrines.Now to the truth of the matter, to those millions of “Christians” who preach we are saved by confession:
Philippians 3
11> If by any means i might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12> Not as though i had already attained, either were already perfect, but i follow after, if that i may apprehend that for which i also am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13>Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended, but this one thing i do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before.
14>I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15>Let us therefore, as many be perfect, be thus minded, and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16>Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17>Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.Before we get to the punch line…this whole topic concerns NOT considering oneself as GUARANTEED SAVED.
To NOT go around proclaiming to men, “we are saved, we are saved”..
Even if one is convinced he is saved, as Paul said, DO NOT DO THIS THING. Why?
Well who made YOU/THEM judges of our own salvation?
But MILLIONS of Christians ARE doing this very thing !!Now the truth of the matter concerning those who go around preaching, “we are saved, we are saved”…
The continuing scripture sums it up…18>For many walk, of whom i have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that THEY ARE THE ENEMIES OF THE CROSS OF CHRIST.
19>Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.There you go…so don't go around PRESUMING you are saved just because so many blind theologians say so.
You just heard it from Paul himself.
Come out of the churches people, they have made you merchandise, stop buying their books which keep you from reading the bible, stop buying their DVD's which drain your much needed dollars and spread confusion, stop watching their presentations on you tube etc which bring in all manner of doctrines, don't pay attention to their worthless degrees, even p
edophiles can go get degrees at universities and call themselves learned and trusted men of God…Does God teach these types? Of course not, so if these types can be called men of God by learning at these places, do you really think God's Spirit is there in these palces of “learning” ?
Do you think God would let them come to His place of learning?
Can God be fooled?
Of course not…
so the truth…universities CAN NEVER TEACH THE TRUTH but only doctrines of men.
Open your eyes people…the WHOLE mainstream religious mechanism is CORRUPT and FALSE.Study and change yourselves by yourselves with the SPIRIT aiding, before God…
It is between YOU and God ALONE…
Not YOU and GOD and professor so & so & church this and that…
Please wake up…the hour is almost here…
That wicked one is soon to be revealed…
You are running out of time.Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 02 2012,16:55)
Matthew 7:22-23
>Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy Name? and in Thy Name have cast out devils, and in Thy Name done many wonderful works?
>And I will profess unto them, I never knew you, ye that work iniquity.look at this verse..
many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have WE not prohesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils, and in thy name done many wonderful things? And i will profess unto them, I never knew you, ye that work iniquity.
There is no place for WE (OURSLEVES) in doing the will of God for others.
If you do a good work, your thoughts are on the other, not ever the self.
SO.. our thoughts are on the person, our thoughts are on God and how Good God is – where would WE come into it?I hope you understand what I'm saying.
Good post
Well, as far as DOERS of the word, show me who is actually doing God's will. Go into any big city, and tell me, who does most of the charity work (feeding the homeless, clothing the naked, the orphans etc.). Don't get me wrong, I see the “jist” of your point, and sadly you are right about the leaders of the churches. the scriptures say that God will judge them most severely. But also, do not be hypocritical in you point of not judgeing yourself saved, and then you waving the finger at them and saying your not. That is double standard. In society, their are lots of wolves. In the churches also. But thier are many genuinely God loving Christians too.
So like I said, who do you see doing the things that Jesus said we should.( Come, you have my Fathers blessing, because when you saw me hungry, naked , in prison etc.) Seriously.
And you. As a child of God, what are you actually doing for God as far as this goes besides making a blanket statement slamming ALL churches? Honestly. No offense. Peace-Mark
Quote (mikeangel @ Jan. 02 2012,21:31) Because you are running out of time too………..
Hi Mark,What do you mean by 'running out of time'?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgWhen I read that In Israel, abortions are performed on a regular basis, and thier is a shrine to Elvis with a Gold statue of him in front of it,called “The King”, and the homosexual population there, and the far left views they have, and they have rebuilt a synagauge on the temple mount, and are trying to restart sacrifice in it, and still say Jesus was just a teacher who performed miricles “by magic”, and I don't have to even say the horrors in the rest of the world, it surely can't be long. The muslim countrys are turning over, and Israel will be attacted, and IMO, God will have his day.Peace
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2012,22:02) Hi Mark, Can't be long for what?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
?Untill the day of the Lord, the return of Jesus.
Quote (toby @ Jan. 02 2012,22:08) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2012,22:02) Hi Mark, Can't be long for what?
God bless
Ed J
?Untill the day of the Lord, the return of Jesus.
Hi Toby,Jesus return and “the day of the LORD” are two different feasts.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2012,21:38) Quote (mikeangel @ Jan. 02 2012,21:31) Because you are running out of time too………..
Hi Mark,What do you mean by 'running out of time'?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
You will find out. One of the things God will do, IMO, is tell you that he never had evil in him, and despite what you say, you sin. Only God is good. PeaceQuote (mikeangel @ Jan. 02 2012,23:09) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2012,21:38) Quote (mikeangel @ Jan. 02 2012,21:31) Because you are running out of time too………..
Hi Mark,What do you mean by 'running out of time'?
God bless
Ed J
You will find out. One of the things God will do, IMO, is tell you that he never had evil in him, and despite what you say, you sin. Only God is good. Peace
Hi Mark,The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.Isaiah 33:17 Thine eyes shall see the king in his beauty: they(those who
believe false doctrines) shall behold the land that is very far off(into the future).Ezek 13:6-7 They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them:
and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word. 7 Have ye not seen a vain vision,
and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (toby @ Jan. 02 2012,19:40) Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 02 2012,16:55)
Matthew 7:22-23
>Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy Name? and in Thy Name have cast out devils, and in Thy Name done many wonderful works?
>And I will profess unto them, I never knew you, ye that work iniquity.look at this verse..
many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have WE not prohesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils, and in thy name done many wonderful things? And i will profess unto them, I never knew you, ye that work iniquity.
There is no place for WE (OURSLEVES) in doing the will of God for others.
If you do a good work, your thoughts are on the other, not ever the self.
SO.. our thoughts are on the person, our thoughts are on God and how Good God is – where would WE come into it?I hope you understand what I'm saying.
Good post
Hi Toby,Thank you for your reply. I'm glad you could see where i was coming from
Many get angry when it comes to their churches and are unable to see the message…but only see an attack…sigh.So i will make my view point a little clearer for those others…because i know many will say/think, “But God told us to gather…this must mean churches, and we are obeying” etc etc
But “they” can't see the simplicity of the truth behind that “gathering”…
Since God is yesterday today and tomorrow, declaring the end at the beginning, and knowing whose are His before we are even born, God already has prepared fellowship for His chosen individuals to meet/gather WHEN their calling, time of obedience finally comes, and are finally are able to fully submit to Him and remove themselves from the ways of the world with its traditions and expectations…and CHANGE their ways fully for Christ.
The churches however, ARE soaked in mens traditions, and ARE fully one with the world.
“He who loves the world, hates Me”
So come out of them, God will never leave us brethren-less.
I meet weekly with my brethren of like mind, and we meet in a house just as the Apostles and disciples did.
God did this for me, not a “church”.
God drew me to them, not some door knocker or pamphlet.
And scripture describes these gatherings as churches.
For the people make the church, not the other way around as mainstream churches have unlawfully made it.So we do not need “churches” for brethren-ship.
God provides brethren.
God DRAWS men to Him remember.
God does not need/use “churches” to do His personal callings.
Churches are for the masses.
Remember Christs parable about the masses?
The masses have their own shepherds.
And these Christian masses are slowly being released from the prisons that are the churches with their strange doctrines and puffed up shepherds…as attendances prove…and i praise the Lord for this wonderful thing.
Let the prisoners free….And we certainly do not need those churches to learn about God.
We have the written Word…the bible to do that.
This is what i meant by “personal learning”.Thank you.
Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 02 2012,16:55) “Come to our religion and you will be saved” is their catch cry..
Just proclaim that Jesus came in the flesh and accept Him as your savior, and you WILL be saved is the claim…WRONG.
A simplistic spiritually blinded view point seriously lacking in understanding.2 Peter 2:3
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make MERCHANDISE of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.This is their true intention for you. To use you as cogs in their organizations. To make you representatives for their institutions. Church first…profits second…members third…God fourth…truth not necessary.
And what does scripture say concerning those ones who go around preaching “we are saved, we are saved” ?
Scripture is quite blunt and unfortunate for these foolish shepherds that preach this feel good lollipop lie.
First though, before we address their catch cry, lets undo their trusty scripture they abuse so cleverly to first draw the ignorant in…
Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.Sounds all touchy feely and final doesn't it?
Just confess that you believe in Jesus, and that He was raised from the dead, and you WILL be saved….Oh the GRACE of God they say…But what of these?
These confessed and believed in Christ…Matthew 7:22-23
>Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy Name? and in Thy Name have cast out devils, and in Thy Name done many wonderful works?
>And I will profess unto them, I never knew you, ye that work iniquity.MANY will confess to the Lord…MANY…MANY that BELIEVED that Jesus was raised from the dead and confessed His Name before men, and even did miracles in His Name…YET…these were REJECTED.
But what of Romans 10:9?
Something else is obviously going on here.
What is going on?
Here's what…James 1:22-24
22> But be ye DOERS of the Word, and NOT HEARERS ONLY, DECEIVING your OWN SELVES.
23> For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his NATURAL face in a glass:
24> For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightaway forgetteth what manner of man he was.And here, just a FEW more:
John 8:31
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye CONTINUE in my word, [then] are ye my disciples indeed;John 15:9
As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: CONTINUE ye in my love.Acts 13:43
Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to CONTINUE in the grace of God.Acts 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, [and] exhorting them to CONTINUE in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.Acts 26:22
Having therefore obtained help of God, I CONTINUE unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:Romans 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou CONTINUE in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.1 Timothy 4:16
Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; CONTINUE in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.We must CONTINUE…
And what happens when one CONTINUES in the DOCTRINE of Christ?
One CHANGES…
One bears fruits of the spirit…
One GROWS…
The whole message of Jesus…
SUBMIT…CHANGE YOUR WAYS and I and My Father WILL come to you and TEACH you.
Put away PRIDE, and self pleasures, PUT ME FIRST and WE will come to you.
Christ will TEACH YOU…
Forget about professors, and learned men, they can NOT teach you Christ's truth, they can only teach you university based understandings…which is confusion in self interpretations and puffed up egos.Here is conformation in scripture:
Matthew 11:25
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the WISE and PRUDENT, and hast revealed them unto BABES.BABES people….UNLEARNED people who CHANGE and GROW and CONTINUE in Christ…THESE are TAUGHT the TRUTH…
Do you think non believing wise and prudent men CARE at all about learning of Christ?
Of course not…but WISE and PRUDENT university taught types certainly wish to know…if but for their OWN purposes of puffed up self glory etc..
So WHO teaches TRUTH…
CHRIST.
NOT professors of theology etc…
THESE professors etc have the truth HIDDEN from them for puffing themselves up and attempting to understand Christ with THEIR OWN UNDERSTANDING WITHOUT CHANGE and continuance..
Where do you think all these thousands of doctrines come from?
From these very same “learned” men who are actually fools in Gods eyes.So now match this with Romans 10 and a clearer understanding emerges…
Not some fairy floss interpretation of merely believing and you will be saved!!!
That GRACE will cover you and just keep on living your lifestyle as before with but a little tiny changing of your ways…LIES.
Christ requires a full change of processes, which is GROWTH.
Heck, even Satan believes!!
Will he be saved?
No, and neither will those wicked shepherds who teach such immature simplistic doctrines.Now to the truth of the matter, to those millions of “Christians” who preach we are saved by confession:
Philippians 3
11> If by any means i might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12> Not as though i had already attained, either were already perfect, but i follow after, if that i may apprehend that for which i also am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13>Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended, but this one thing i do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before.
14>I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15>Let us therefore, as many be perfect, be thus minded, and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16>Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17>Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.Before we get to the punch line…this whole topic concerns NOT considering oneself as GUARANTEED SAVED.
To NOT go around proclaiming to men, “we are saved, we are saved”..
Even if one is convinced he is saved, as Paul said, DO NOT DO THIS THING. Why?
Well who made YOU/THEM judges of our own salvation?
But MILLIONS of Christians ARE doing this very thing !!Now the truth of the matter concerning those who go around preaching, “we are saved, we are saved”…
The continuing scripture sums it up…18>For many walk, of whom i have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that THEY ARE THE ENEMIES OF THE CROSS OF CHRIST.
19>Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.There you go…so don't go around PRESUMING you are saved just because so many blind theologians say so.
You just heard it from Paul himself.
Come out of the churches people, they have made you merchandise, stop buying their books which keep you
from reading the bible, stop buying their DVD's which drain your much needed dollars and spread confusion, stop watching their presentations on you tube etc which bring in all manner of doctrines, don't pay attention to their worthless degrees, even pedophiles can go get degrees at universities and call themselves learned and trusted men of God…Does God teach these types? Of course not, so if these types can be called men of God by learning at these places, do you really think God's Spirit is there in these palces of “learning” ?
Do you think God would let them come to His place of learning?
Can God be fooled?
Of course not…
so the truth…universities CAN NEVER TEACH THE TRUTH but only doctrines of men.
Open your eyes people…the WHOLE mainstream religious mechanism is CORRUPT and FALSE.Study and change yourselves by yourselves with the SPIRIT aiding, before God…
It is between YOU and God ALONE…
Not YOU and GOD and professor so & so & church this and that…
Please wake up…the hour is almost here…
That wicked one is soon to be revealed…
You are running out of time.
THank you for your long post Devo.RISE UP YE WOMEN THAT ARE AT EASE;HEAR MY VOICE,YE CARELESS DAUGHTERS,GIVE EAR TO MY SPEACH.
WAKEUP.
Devolution.
Good points.On the first post – page one, you said:
Quote Forget about professors, and learned men, they can NOT teach you Christ's truth, they can only teach you university based understandings…which is confusion in self interpretations and puffed up egos. and;
Quote BABES people….UNLEARNED people who CHANGE and GROW and CONTINUE in Christ…THESE are TAUGHT the TRUTH…
Do you think non believing wise and prudent men CARE at all about learning of Christ?
Of course not…but WISE and PRUDENT university taught types certainly wish to know…if but for their OWN purposes of puffed up self glory etc..
So WHO teaches TRUTH…
CHRIST.
NOT professors of theology etc…
THESE professors etc have the truth HIDDEN from them for puffing themselves up and attempting to understand Christ with THEIR OWN UNDERSTANDING WITHOUT CHANGE and continuance..
Where do you think all these thousands of doctrines come from?
From these very same “learned” men who are actually fools in Gods eyes.
I've seen the damage that these types do on Forums too.They think that they will be heard for their use of many words. Matt6:7
Quote (toby @ Jan. 02 2012,19:40) Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 02 2012,16:55)
Matthew 7:22-23
>Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy Name? and in Thy Name have cast out devils, and in Thy Name done many wonderful works?
>And I will profess unto them, I never knew you, ye that work iniquity.look at this verse..
many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have WE not prohesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils, and in thy name done many wonderful things? And i will profess unto them, I never knew you, ye that work iniquity.
There is no place for WE (OURSLEVES) in doing the will of God for others.
If you do a good work, your thoughts are on the other, not ever the self.
SO.. our thoughts are on the person, our thoughts are on God and how Good God is – where would WE come into it?I hope you understand what I'm saying.
Good post
Hi TobyWE= THE CHURCHES.
wakeup.
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