This is why jesus christ is god

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The Son is not the Father, yet the Son is the visible God of the invisible Jehovah God..John 1:1 -14 In the beginning was The Word and The Word was God and The Word was WITH GOD…And The Word of God became flesh in verse 14. Through Him all was made……But Jehovah God is the creator…… There is no trinity it is a doctrine of men and not of God….. By Jesus own words He said in
John 14:28 “My Father is greater then I.”
Deut. 4:35 Unto Thee it was shewed that Thou mightest knows that THE LORD IS GOD there is NONE beside HIM.
Deut. 6:4 “Hear O Israel the LORD OUR GOD, HE IS ONE LORD.
1 Corinth. 8:4 And that there is no other God but one.
The trinity doctrine was first taught by Quintus Septimius Florence Tertullian, in the third century…. It was Constantine who issued an edit and made it into Law….
It is said that the trinity is His best achievement He made to Christianty….Mainstream Christianity even today is teaching the trinity doctrine..it originated first in the Roman Universal Church, which became the Roman Catholic Church…..
Those that teach the trinity will say that the Son is the Father and the Father is the Son and the Holy Spirit is a person and all three are, but yet one….the Mystery of God, so they say….
However I say this in John 1 and Hebrew 1:8 Jesus was called God…. i also believe that God is a title and many in Ancient times were called a God….
While Jesus or The Word of God is the Mighty God and Jehovah God is the Almighty God….
That does not make The Word of God Almighty…..
Math. 15:4 “In vain do they worship Me teaching the doctrine and commandment of men….”
Peace Irene

Hello Irene,

But if God created everything thru Jesus in v3 then Jesus along with YHWH are the creators. And since Word was WITH God, he is not God whom he is WITH.

son of God = Title and physical description
Word of God = Title
Word = possible Name of Jesus before he was Jesus

The Professor

August 26, 2010 at 5:38 pm#213969

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hi all

rm ,i have read all of the comments in this topic ,can anyone here who respond to RM and even RM what is new in his understanding,and truth.
and for the others what have they learned ??

and if they have learned anything was it?, in harmony of scriptures or of their on reflection.

Pierre

it does not matter if you do not reply

August 26, 2010 at 6:08 pm#213983

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Hello Irene,

But if God created everything thru Jesus in v3 then Jesus along with YHWH are the creators. And since Word was WITH God, he is not God whom he is WITH.

son of God = Title and physical description
Word of God = Title
Word = possible Name of Jesus before he was Jesus

The Professor

David! I am only quoting Scripture in both John and Hebrew, it says that He The Word of God is God…..And in Hebrew it was Jehovah God who called Jesus God. It is not my doing it is according to Scriptures…
verse 1 says this:” In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, AND THE WORD WAS GOD.
Hebrew 1:8 But to the Son He says
“Your throne,O God, is forever, and ever…….
Again God is title and in Ancient times many were called God. While Jesus is the Mighty God, Jehovah God is the Almighty God…..Also just because He is with God, that does not take away that He is called God both by His father and by His Brother John…
Peace Irene

August 26, 2010 at 6:29 pm#213988

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Hello Irene,

But if God created everything thru Jesus in v3 then Jesus along with YHWH are the creators. And since Word was WITH God, he is not God whom he is WITH.

son of God = Title and physical description
Word of God = Title
Word = possible Name of Jesus before he was Jesus

The Professor

Hello Irene,

Yes Theos is often used and as a wise sage said, it refers to a “mighty one”.

Jesus also said that God called people gods, too. One problem in Hebrew there are no capital letters like we have. Therefore you have to look at the context to determine if it is talking about the one “true God” or something being called god.

Irene, you are very astute and when you read Hebrews 1 do you really think that what you read in Heb 1:8 Jesus is being referred to as the one “true God”?

It would be “easy” to try to take this one verse out of context but look at the wording throughout and it will tell you that this is NOT talking about the one “true God”. If Greek would only have El, Elohim or YHWH we could see the complete context. Even without it v4 compares Jesus to the angels…GOD has no one to be compared with. v9 talks about Jesus' being above his companions by GOD who anointed him.

You are too intelligent to be fooled by the vague word Theos and think that it is calling Jesus “God” in the sense of the one “true God”, yes?

The Professor

August 26, 2010 at 6:41 pm#213992

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Hello Irene,

But if God created everything thru Jesus in v3 then Jesus along with YHWH are the creators. And since Word was WITH God, he is not God whom he is WITH.

son of God = Title and physical description
Word of God = Title
Word = possible Name of Jesus before he was Jesus

The Professor

Hello Irene,

Yes Theos is often used and as a wise sage said, it refers to a “mighty one”.

Irene, you are very astute and when you read Hebrews 1 do you really think that what you read in Heb 1:8 Jesus is being referred to as the one “true God”?

You are too intelligent to be fooled by the vague word Theos and think that it is calling Jesus “God” in the sense of the one “true God”, yes?

The Professor

DBF

you can not read Hebrew 1-8 without verse 9

Heb 1:8 But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,
and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.
Heb 1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”

in this view it is a tittle position ,just like Moses was called god in Deut.

see this “therefore God, your God”( now this is God)

Pierre

August 26, 2010 at 9:36 pm#214021

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Hello Irene,

But if God created everything thru Jesus in v3 then Jesus along with YHWH are the creators. And since Word was WITH God, he is not God whom he is WITH.

son of God = Title and physical description
Word of God = Title
Word = possible Name of Jesus before he was Jesus

The Professor

Hello Irene,

Yes Theos is often used and as a wise sage said, it refers to a “mighty one”.

Irene, you are very astute and when you read Hebrews 1 do you really think that what you read in Heb 1:8 Jesus is being referred to as the one “true God”?

You are too intelligent to be fooled by the vague word Theos and think that it is calling Jesus “God” in the sense of the one “true God”, yes?

The Professor

Hey David, I never referred to Jesus as the One true God that is the Almighty God and terri. has it right, when I read in Hebrew 1:1 and verse 7-9 He His Father is talking abouit His Son the Mighty God and not the Almighty God. I said all of that, you read something els in my post and I do not appreciate that at all…. You put words into my mouth which I never said……
Irene

August 26, 2010 at 10:36 pm#214028

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Hi RokkaMan,
That was ceative and thought out. Wouldn't that make Jesus the representation of God instead of the representation of His nature? Why can't He have just had a Son…simple. Maybe He couldn't come as a man because that would mean that He would have to give up His power and then if all things are held together by the word of His power…then fizzle…if He gives up His power then nothing can be held together. So, just as God cannot lie, He cannot give up His power. And so He gave us the God from God, the next best thing. While the Son gave up His power to become like man, His Father still held everything together.

Is He a true Son of not is the question.

Hi Lu,
we daily deal with reprsentations of eachother daily.
I can act like i am a jerk one day, but doesnt mean i am THE jerk all the time. There is a totality of who i am, and the impressions i have of you are only PART of who i am.

Gods totality is expressed in eternity.
for God work in within any time or space is actually limiting his power. to take part of our story, is a limitation of power.

God can do anything, even waht we think is limiting.

There is also great POWER in limiting your self.
Jesus also demonstrated that example as he asked for teh diciples who sought to be first to become last.

God isnt only the God of whats good and great, but over everything that is even least or misunderstood.

God has never given up his power in such a since at all, when limiting is PART of his GREAT power.

IT seems that you have limited God to a position of great power, that from there it is impossible for him to move.

Which i disagree. I believe God is so powerful that he can do anything.

He is the God of everything.

God has the power to forget, yet he is all knowing.
yet is Is 43, he said for his own good, he choosed to blot out our transgresssions.

WE do not have the ability to choose to forget something.
Yet God in his almighty power can choose to forget, yet know everything.

ITs teh same with Christ.

August 26, 2010 at 10:51 pm#214029

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hi all

rm ,i have read all of the comments in this topic ,can anyone here who respond to RM and even RM what is new in his understanding,and truth.
and for the others what have they learned ??

and if they have learned anything was it?, in harmony of scriptures or of their on reflection.

Pierre

it does not matter if you do not reply

If you actually listened instead of being so closed minded, maybe instead of debating we could have come to terms.

But since you insist that your the only one correct in this forum, How can you learn anything.

He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

In this case, he who has eyes to read what is written in this forum, let me him read.

August 26, 2010 at 11:09 pm#214030

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hi all

rm ,i have read all of the comments in this topic ,can anyone here who respond to RM and even RM what is new in his understanding,and truth.
and for the others what have they learned ??

and if they have learned anything was it?, in harmony of scriptures or of their on reflection.

Pierre

it does not matter if you do not reply

If you actually listened instead of being so closed minded, maybe instead of debating we could have come to terms.

But since you insist that your the only one correct in this forum, How can you learn anything.

He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

In this case, he who has eyes to read what is written in this forum, let me him read.

i am not always right ,i usually keep my mouth shut if i do not know or i do the work to search it out.

thanks anyway,

Pierre

August 26, 2010 at 11:16 pm#214031

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RM,

In addition if you don't want to believe what is WRITTEN in John 1 as I explained in my previous post maybe we can try to use logic: (doubtful though)

Word = Jesus (Son)
God = Father

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Son and the Son was with the Father and the Son was the Father.

Son = Father

Who here on hn believes that the Son is his Father?

YOU said that the WORD = God which is saying the same thing.

I have quoted Scripture and quoted Scripture to no avail because you do not respond to them and none of your writings have Scripture either to back up the words that you spew out on the page.

So, I will stand on these two verses in regards to future corrections of your posts:

Pro 9:7 He who corrects a scoffer gets dishonor for himself, And he who reproves a wicked man gets insults for himself.

Pro 9:8 Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you, Reprove a wise man and he will love you.

The Professor

In the beginning was The Son, The Son was with The Father and The Son was The Father.

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That's exactly right.

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Father and Son are roles… they do not define you…

they are roles you play when you have a relationship.

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If I am a Father, I am so…only to my children and no one else.

If I am a Son, I am so… only to my parents and no one else.

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YHVH is The Father of all things.

The Son, is his reflected image, subject to himself.

So the Son isn't YHVH The Father.

The Son is the reflected image of The Father.

and the Image itself is YHVH.

So when you look at The Son, you are looking at the image of The Father.

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If i take a picture of myself… the picture isn't me, but when you look at the picture, you can see me.

This is the same was, The Son was with the father… and Was the Father…

You are looking at YHVH through his reflection as The Son.

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The Son's role is to be obedient to The Father, and represent The Father in all things… including creation and judgement.

but, you choose to continue to put words in my mouth and add to scripture.

i'm interpreting scripture in the only way that makes sense.

If Jesus Christ was not the reflection of YHVH… then christianity is a false religion.

Good morning RM,

How about if we believe Scripture to give you understanding?

YOU:

If Jesus Christ was not the reflection of YHVH… then christianity is a false religion.

ME:

How about Jesus being the son of God? Not just a reflection.

I understand the concept of what you are saying because Jesus explained that to his disciples when they asked to see the Father.

However, by what you say Jesus = Father which is not true.

You might be less confused if you used the Bible and tried to use the Wisdom provided.

Sometimes I will try to provide an analogy to “help” someone see something but I have to use the Bible as a foundation and give references so that you and others can debate what IS WRITTEN.

John 1 doesn't even allude to Jesus being an image or reflection of God. It is explaining what happened in the beginning which you missed….and what was happening in the beginning is that Jesus was WITH God and this is why Jesus CANNOT be God whom he was with.

The Professor

Hi Mr. David.

Ill take off where my Friend Rm has left off.

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John 1:1 In the beginning was the Son and the Son was with the Father and the Son was the Father.
Son = Father

Who here on hn believes that the Son is his Father?

YOU said that the WORD = God which is saying the same thing.

Totally not the Same thing David.
First of all Son and Father are not names they are roles. And one person and take many roles and positions.
This indicatiosn provides only one Thing. that In the beginning the Word existed. The word Existed along with God, and the Word was God.

we know in the greek that God is so broad of a interpretation. but what is clear is the usage of the Word.

The Word is expressed as you said later in response to Irene that Is also a Creator.

So now we know that this Word is also has the role creator.

Yet we know taht God in many places has said that he has created, Yaweh, and Jehvoah the Lord has expresed they created the world.

We know in hebrews that again it expresses the Word creating the world.

We had no RIGHT to call God Father until the Son's ressurection. As paul has said we had the Right to call ABBA FATHER by being adopted in through Jesus.

IF Sin didnt exist, there would be no need for the Son to die.
Just as if pain did not exist, there would be no reason for God be healer (jehovah rapha)

If the Word is not God, and Since the word CANNOT be Son until sin existed, than what was he?
Another God?

If he is another God than you worship TWO Gods.

If God is Echad, the unity, or his totality. than the Lord God is surely just one.

What Help does God need of another? can he not not do things for himself?

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Of course John 1:1 alone cannot express this idea.
We know that up until the new testament, only God was seen as the creator.
Collossians 1:

14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

This is which goes back to my question, If God is who he says he is, why couldnt he do it just himself. What purpose does the “Word” have?
Lets add some foundation from your other thread about God being Elohim and Spirit and LORD.

Where is the “Word” expresseded in your foundation?
If you very well know that the “Word” created than in what part does it take to your foundation of Elohim.
For
we know that Elohim created.

Point is that everything was created by Him (The Word) and for himself. Co:16

This would answer my own Question.
God creates everything for himself.
This is what the Word did.

Go back to John 1:1 notice how it matches the Genesis story almost line by line, for almost 5 verses.

Point being that John INTENT was to match the Genesis story. In other Words John tried to give Jesus more than just a beginning, more than just being a Son, but be something other than just a man, but a supreme being.

August 26, 2010 at 11:20 pm#214032

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hi all

rm ,i have read all of the comments in this topic ,can anyone here who respond to RM and even RM what is new in his understanding,and truth.
and for the others what have they learned ??

and if they have learned anything was it?, in harmony of scriptures or of their on reflection.

Pierre

it does not matter if you do not reply

If you actually listened instead of being so closed minded, maybe instead of debating we could have come to terms.

But since you insist that your the only one correct in this forum, How can you learn anything.

He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

In this case, he who has eyes to read what is written in this forum, let me him read.

i am not always right ,i usually keep my mouth shut if i do not know or i do the work to search it out.

thanks anyway,

Pierre

Dont keep you mouth shut.
Speak truth and understanding.

But understaning is not YOUR understanding, but the understanding of others.

With others there is no point to speak truth.

Have an open mind, dont automaticaly dismiss what others think.

the bible says TRY(test) THE SPIRITS if they are of God or not. 1 john 4:1
1 John 4
1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

But how can you try if you dont even listen?

Rm speaks alot with what i agree with.

To become less divided we need to find a way to understand eachother.

August 26, 2010 at 11:43 pm#214037

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hi all

rm ,i have read all of the comments in this topic ,can anyone here who respond to RM and even RM what is new in his understanding,and truth.
and for the others what have they learned ??

and if they have learned anything was it?, in harmony of scriptures or of their on reflection.

Pierre

it does not matter if you do not reply

If you actually listened instead of being so closed minded, maybe instead of debating we could have come to terms.

But since you insist that your the only one correct in this forum, How can you learn anything.

He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

In this case, he who has eyes to read what is written in this forum, let me him read.

i am not always right ,i usually keep my mouth shut if i do not know or i do the work to search it out.

thanks anyway,

Pierre

Dont keep you mouth shut.
Speak truth and understanding.

But understaning is not YOUR understanding, but the understanding of others.

With others there is no point to speak truth.

Have an open mind, dont automaticaly dismiss what others think.

But how can you try if you dont even listen?

Rm speaks alot with what i agree with.

To become less divided we need to find a way to understand eachother.

you say;the bible says TRY(test) THE SPIRITS if they are of God or not. 1 john 4:1

no you do not try ;yes you test all spirits,if they are of God.
and not of men.

you say;
But understanding is not YOUR understanding, but the understanding of others

I am not looking for understanding of men and their views,
and I can see the understand of others,
and not many have some.

Pierre

August 27, 2010 at 12:09 am#214042

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hi all

rm ,i have read all of the comments in this topic ,can anyone here who respond to RM and even RM what is new in his understanding,and truth.
and for the others what have they learned ??

and if they have learned anything was it?, in harmony of scriptures or of their on reflection.

Pierre

it does not matter if you do not reply

If you actually listened instead of being so closed minded, maybe instead of debating we could have come to terms.

But since you insist that your the only one correct in this forum, How can you learn anything.

He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

In this case, he who has eyes to read what is written in this forum, let me him read.

i am not always right ,i usually keep my mouth shut if i do not know or i do the work to search it out.

thanks anyway,

Pierre

Dont keep you mouth shut.
Speak truth and understanding.

But understaning is not YOUR understanding, but the understanding of others.

With others there is no point to speak truth.

Have an open mind, dont automaticaly dismiss what others think.

But how can you try if you dont even listen?

Rm speaks alot with what i agree with.

To become less divided we need to find a way to understand eachother.

you say;the bible says TRY(test) THE SPIRITS if they are of God or not. 1 john 4:1

no you do not try ;yes you test all spirits,if they are of God.
and not of men.

you say;
But understanding is not YOUR understanding, but the understanding of others

I am not looking for understanding of men and their views,
and I can see the understand of others,
and not many have some.

Pierre

Terrarica,

everyone has Intentions and have Spirits. What spirits do these people have?
The lord knows our intentions.
Your to focus on Men, and how they DO not matter compared to God. Yet the point of speaking truth is FOR Men, to LIVE.
and how can you speak TRUTH without UNDERSTANDING.

How can you speak truth, and telling someone in understand so that you may believe, if we do not understand them.

How can you expect someone to believe you if your unwilling to understand them.

You should look to understand men, because if you dont understand men, than you cannot speak truth.

How can you tell a Man that their views are wrong without understanding what they are and WHY they believe it?

And if you LOVE JESUS you will FEED his Sheep.
But for us to be co-SHEPARDS for only Christ is the shepard, we must understand each sheep, and wash their feet as Jesus wash the feet of the diciples

in other words me MUST LOVE eachother.

And to love eachother , we must get to know eachother, and of us to know eachother, we must UNDERSTAND eachother.

August 27, 2010 at 1:58 am#214046

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yes everyone as a spirit but not always with the truth in mind,Mt 5:3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 5:4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
Mt 5:5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
Mt 5:6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
Mt 5:7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
Mt 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
Mt 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
Mt 5:10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 5:11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
Mt 5:12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

everyone in the verses above has done something and Jesus show them the reward.

there is nothing free in this world and there will be nothing free in the next one.

you say loving God and Christ if so read the scriptures grave them in your heart so that they are the only thing in it ,and you be full of God word, and so God with his spirit will give you the understanding and so make a fruit of light out of you.

this way you will say the truth and know that's the truth.

Pierre

August 27, 2010 at 8:01 am#214073

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everyone in the verses above has done something and Jesus show them the reward.

there is nothing free in this world and there will be nothing free in the next one.

this way you will say the truth and know that's the truth.

Pierre

Terra,
The point about All scriptures is to Love God.
To KNOW GOD.

But scriptures state this:
That Jesus said on to moses do you love me?
Lord only you know,
Than FEED my sheep.

IF you love Christ, than FEED his sheep.

Love one another.

put this in your heart.

1john4:11Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another
and 21And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also

August 27, 2010 at 4:33 pm#214111

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Guys,

I think you missed the Thread….this is why Jesus is God, no?

I keep looking for one verse from Jesus saying that he is God. Anyone find one, yet?

The Professor

August 27, 2010 at 4:56 pm#214115

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everyone in the verses above has done something and Jesus show them the reward.

there is nothing free in this world and there will be nothing free in the next one.

this way you will say the truth and know that's the truth.

Pierre

Terra,
The point about All scriptures is to Love God.
To KNOW GOD.

But scriptures state this:
That Jesus said on to moses do you love me?
Lord only you know,
Than FEED my sheep.

IF you love Christ, than FEED his sheep.

Love one another.

put this in your heart.

1john4:11Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another
and 21And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also

But scriptures state this:
That Jesus said on to moses do you love me?
Lord only you know,
Than FEED my sheep.

IF you love Christ, than FEED his sheep.

THIS IS SAID TO PETER NOT TO MOSES.

Pierre

August 27, 2010 at 5:09 pm#214120

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Jhn 10:16 “I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

Mat 2:6 'AND YOU, BETHLEHEM, LAND OF JUDAH, ARE BY NO MEANS LEAST AMONG THE LEADERS OF JUDAH; FOR OUT OF YOU SHALL COME FORTH A RULER WHO WILL SHEPHERD MY PEOPLE ISRAEL.'”

Jhn 10:11 “I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.

Mat 26:31 Then Jesus said to them, “You will all fall away because of Me this night, for it is written, 'I WILL STRIKE DOWN THE SHEPHERD, AND THE SHEEP OF THE FLOCK SHALL BE SCATTERED.'

Jesus = shepherd and is not God

August 27, 2010 at 6:01 pm#214139

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Jhn 10:16 “I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

Mat 2:6 'AND YOU, BETHLEHEM, LAND OF JUDAH, ARE BY NO MEANS LEAST AMONG THE LEADERS OF JUDAH; FOR OUT OF YOU SHALL COME FORTH A RULER WHO WILL SHEPHERD MY PEOPLE ISRAEL.'”

Jhn 10:11 “I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.

Mat 26:31 Then Jesus said to them, “You will all fall away because of Me this night, for it is written, 'I WILL STRIKE DOWN THE SHEPHERD, AND THE SHEEP OF THE FLOCK SHALL BE SCATTERED.'

Jesus = shepherd and is not God

DBF

i personally i would never bring this question to the light of day,
Christ is and can not be God.

why people go there beats me.

Pierre

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