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Quote (SEEKING @ June 12 2009,14:27) Quote (Cindy @ June 11 2009,18:47) Nick By the time the thieves died, Jesus was already dead.
Georg
But not yet resurrected and ascended to glory. A dead man is not our Savior.
That's not true, for on the Cross Jesus said “It is finished” Our salvation was written and completed on The Cross, not during the ressurection.The ressurection was further confirmation to Jesus' claims of who he was and is. That is why he appeared unto many…if he had of just died and that was it…no one would know if he was true or not.
So the ressurection was the completion of the testament.
The Cross was the completion of our Salvation.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 11 2009,14:29) For CON
How come you write “For Con” but it is blank underneath?Quote (Cindy @ June 15 2009,06:25) Nick I said that wrong, I wanted to say; was not Abraham “given” the promise, even before Jesus lived?
But you answered quite correctly, Abraham has not received his promise yet, and neither did the thief; otherwise the thief would have been in paradise ahead of Jesus.Georg
Did King David receive the promise? Is King David in heaven?Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 31 2009,16:54) Quote (SEEKING @ June 12 2009,14:27) Quote (Cindy @ June 11 2009,18:47) Nick By the time the thieves died, Jesus was already dead.
Georg
But not yet resurrected and ascended to glory. A dead man is not our Savior.
That's not true, for on the Cross Jesus said “It is finished” Our salvation was written and completed on The Cross, not during the ressurection.The ressurection was further confirmation to Jesus' claims of who he was and is. That is why he appeared unto many…if he had of just died and that was it…no one would know if he was true or not.
So the ressurection was the completion of the testament.
The Cross was the completion of our Salvation.
Jesus did not acsend to heaven for some forty days after his resurrection.Hi CON,
You brought up the subject in another thread so as facilitator I thought you might find interest here.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 14 2009,21:24) Hi CON,
You brought up the subject in another thread so as facilitator I thought you might find interest here.
ohQuote (RokkaMan @ Sep. 01 2009,11:54) Quote (SEEKING @ June 12 2009,14:27) Quote (Cindy @ June 11 2009,18:47) Nick By the time the thieves died, Jesus was already dead.
Georg
But not yet resurrected and ascended to glory. A dead man is not our Savior.
That's not true, for on the Cross Jesus said “It is finished” Our salvation was written and completed on The Cross, not during the ressurection.The ressurection was further confirmation to Jesus' claims of who he was and is. That is why he appeared unto many…if he had of just died and that was it…no one would know if he was true or not.
So the ressurection was the completion of the testament.
The Cross was the completion of our Salvation.
This cannot be true for ifthat were the case why would Jesus speak about being born again long before he went to the cross (according to the scriptures)He said you can be born again when he was very much alive and nowhere near the cross.
I believe the theif died under the old testament, but belief in Jesus as the messiah and his repentance allowed him to escape the condemnation of Hell.
We know in hell there are two parts, (used to be 2 parts)
Hell and Haydes…
Hell seems to refer to eternal damnation and suffering, where haydes may be the grave or abraham's bosom, aka paradise.
When he said today, you will be with me in paradise…my understanding is that after Jesus died, so too did the theif die and go to Haydes, abraham's bosom, or paradise with Jesus.
There is where Jesus declared to all of hell that the Son of God has fufilled the prophecy, and he had released all those in Abraham's Bosom to follow him to heaven.
To me this explains scripture Matthew 27:
52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
———————————————————So for us which is the right way of baptism…Spirit only or Water and spirit?
I believe now a days, spirit comes first. Water is the confession part of being saved where you declare to everyone that you believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God.
I strongly believe if you truly love God, and Jesus you will seek to be baptized in water…but if you are baptized in spirit alone, without any way of getting to water before you die…God will not hold it against you, knowing your situation.
He could also divinly orchestrate it for you to be baptized in water before your death if it was 100% necissary for your salvation.
I believe baptism in water is the works after faith…The faith is where you got your salvation, but the water baptism is solidifying your faith, in Jesus through confession.
Remeber God wants relationship not religion…I don't think there is a definate step process for salvation…I believe God judges the faith of man more than the works.
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 15 2009,12:45) Quote (Cindy @ June 15 2009,06:25) Nick I said that wrong, I wanted to say; was not Abraham “given” the promise, even before Jesus lived?
But you answered quite correctly, Abraham has not received his promise yet, and neither did the thief; otherwise the thief would have been in paradise ahead of Jesus.Georg
Did King David receive the promise? Is King David in heaven?
Con.No he did not, Acts 2:34, and neither did any of the other holy men and woman, Heb. 11:39,40.
Georg
Quote (RokkaMan @ Sep. 01 2009,11:54) Quote (SEEKING @ June 12 2009,14:27) Quote (Cindy @ June 11 2009,18:47) Nick By the time the thieves died, Jesus was already dead.
Georg
But not yet resurrected and ascended to glory. A dead man is not our Savior.
That's not true, for on the Cross Jesus said “It is finished” Our salvation was written and completed on The Cross, not during the ressurection.The ressurection was further confirmation to Jesus' claims of who he was and is. That is why he appeared unto many…if he had of just died and that was it…no one would know if he was true or not.
So the ressurection was the completion of the testament.
The Cross was the completion of our Salvation.
RokkaManWhat was finished was the job Jesus was given, to proclaim the good news and to die for us.
There is however much work to be done, that is, to judge/teach the world, because, he did come to “save” the “world”, did he not? that he will do when he begins to reign as King for a millennium.Georg
Quote (georg @ Oct. 16 2009,07:21) Quote (RokkaMan @ Sep. 01 2009,11:54) Quote (SEEKING @ June 12 2009,14:27) Quote (Cindy @ June 11 2009,18:47) Nick By the time the thieves died, Jesus was already dead.
Georg
But not yet resurrected and ascended to glory. A dead man is not our Savior.
That's not true, for on the Cross Jesus said “It is finished” Our salvation was written and completed on The Cross, not during the ressurection.The ressurection was further confirmation to Jesus' claims of who he was and is. That is why he appeared unto many…if he had of just died and that was it…no one would know if he was true or not.
So the ressurection was the completion of the testament.
The Cross was the completion of our Salvation.
RokkaManWhat was finished was the job Jesus was given, to proclaim the good news and to die for us.
There is however much work to be done, that is, to judge/teach the world, because, he did come to “save” the “world”, did he not? that he will do when he begins to reign as King for a millennium.Georg
Wow you quoted me from like 4 months ago, but in response…
Jesus is the firstborn from the dead.
If he wasn't raised, we wouldn't of been raised either.To be honest I can't tell you what was completed when, Jesus said it was finished on the cross…but who's to know exactly what was finished.
If it was done there, it should have ended there…but it didn't, he then ressurected and shewed himself unto many…This, as we know it, is part of the testament and completes the story.
That is the reason for my statement that our salvation was written and completed on the cross, and the testament completed after the ressurection.
But to be honest, I don't know and neither do you…
We are all speculating based on our interpretation of scripture, but none of us really know.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2010,06:18) For ed
Hi Nick,What specifically do you want me to see here?
I have no desire to read 12 Pages of opinions.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orghi
as for the thief next to Christ,he received a promise from Christ ,first because he saw a miracle it got dark and thunder,and he repent in the words he made to his friend hanging on the other side,then he recognize Christ as the son of God and that s were Christ give him the promise ,he also died after Christ so it made him to enter the new covenant.
Hi T,
Jesus has authority to forgive sin.[Mk2]
He had all authority.But men would not be wise to hope in mercy but to obey the command to be reborn of water and the Spirit.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2010,07:23) Hi T,
Jesus has authority to forgive sin.[Mk2]
He had all authority.But men would not be wise to hope in mercy but to obey the command to be reborn of water and the Spirit.
nick
water was for the Jews.because they broke the law ,the old covenant.
Ac 15:11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
Ac 15:12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the miraculous signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them.
Ac 15:13 When they finished, James spoke up: “Brothers, listen to me.
Ac 15:14 Simon has described to us how God at first showed his concern by taking from the Gentiles a people for himself.
Ac 15:15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
Ac 15:16 “ ‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
Ac 15:17 that the remnant of men may seek the Lord,
and all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’
Ac 15:18 that have been known for ages.
Ac 15:19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.
Ac 15:20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.
Ac 15:21 For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”The Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers
Ac 15:22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, two men who were leaders among the brothers.
Ac 15:23 With them they sent the following letter:The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
Ac 15:24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.
Ac 15:25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul—
Ac 15:26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Ac 15:27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing.
Ac 15:28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
Ac 15:29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.Farewell.
Ac 15:30 The men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter.
Ac 15:31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message.
Ac 15:32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the brothers.
Ac 15:33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the brothers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them.
Ac 15:35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.
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