The word speculation is used

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Did the apostles see the kingdom?
Yes they did

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2014,13:49)

Hi WU, Did the apostles see the kingdom? Yes they did

Nick.

The 24 elders are in the kingdom of heaven.
They have not seen the kingdom on earth untill it is set up.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
The kingdom began on earth when Jesus sowed the seed and the first servant was filled with the Spirit of Christ

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2014,16:42)

Hi WU, The kingdom began on earth when Jesus sowed the seed and the first servant was filled with the Spirit of Christ

Nick.

Logic.
The seed must grow to the time of harvest.
Can one sow today and reap tomorrow?
Your master has turned things up side down.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
The kingdom is like a seed
Who said the harvest was ready?

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2014,16:53)

Hi WU, The kingdom is like a seed Who said the harvest was ready?

Nick.

Yes, a seed that has to grow;
and bring forth fruits.
The harvest first, and then the kingdom.
The fruits will be harvested,and stored.
The kingdom is not yet,but it's near.
At hand.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi wu,Luke 16:16
“The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2014,18:25)

Hi wu,Luke 16:16 “The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.

Nick.

Yes; and it is still sown(preached) today.
The seed sown must grow first; then the harvest.

It is still sown today,but satan also is sowing his seed.
This is why all the confusion.

Actually it more complicated than that;Re' the sowing.
The seed has been sown in all generations starting with the apostles.
Each generaton is now dead,but of some;the seed has grown;and of some the seed has not grown.

The then fruiting seeds are waiting in their graves to be harvested.
Today the fruiting seeds are also waiting for the harvest.
Some are in their graves.
The harvest will be at the coming.
1.The harvest of the good fruits.(corn).
2.The harvest of the weed(tares).
3.The bringing back to live of the jews chosen.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
The kingdom is within you

1.Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Those with eyes to seeCAN see the kingdom

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2014,08:05)

Hi WU, The kingdom is within you 1.Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Those with eyes to seeCAN see the kingdom

Nick.

I believe that the kingdom is within each of us.
But how can you explain that ONE whole kingdom can be in each one of us?

If you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, the Messiah
and follow His commandments.
The kingdom is in you.The next thing is for you to be transformed into spirit.

In the kingdom;there is no wars there is peace,no evil
no envy, greed, etc,etc, and all that: is in us also, as a true christian.Death also is not in us;for we shall not see death.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
The kingdom is made up of Spirit led servants.
It's fullness is realised when the head returns

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2014,16:29)

Hi WU, The kingdom is made up of Spirit led servants. It's fullness is realised when the head returns

Nick.

Yes. And they are the few.
The true church.
Many so called born again, are not of the true church.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
The false church are deluded into thinking they can save themselves, through knowledge, false baptism, false religion, fellowship and works.
The delusion is very strong

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2014,08:52)

Hi WU, The false church are deluded into thinking they can save themselves, through knowledge, false baptism, false religion, fellowship and works. The delusion is very strong

Nick.

Through knowledge? Do you man's knowledge;or God's.
It is because of lack of knowledge that they have gone astray.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Scriptural knowledge saves nobody

Col2
For I want you to know how great a struggle I have on your behalf and for those who are at Laodicea, and for all those who have not [a]personally seen my face, 2 that their hearts may be encouraged, having been knit together in love, and attaining to all the wealth that comes from the full assurance of understanding, resulting in a true knowledge of God’s mystery, that is, Christ Himself, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. 4 I say this so that no one will delude you with persuasive argument. 5 For even though I am absent in body, nevertheless I am with you in spirit, rejoicing [c]to see [d]your good discipline and the stability of your faith in Christ.

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2014,09:20)

Hi WU, Scriptural knowledge saves nobody Col2 For I want you to know how great a struggle I have on your behalf and for those who are at Laodicea, and for all those who have not [a]personally seen my face, 2 that their hearts may be encouraged, having been knit together in love, and attaining to all the wealth that comes from the full assurance of understanding, resulting in a true knowledge of God’s mystery, that is, Christ Himself, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. 4 I say this so that no one will delude you with persuasive argument. 5 For even though I am absent in body, nevertheless I am with you in spirit, rejoicing [c]to see [d]your good discipline and the stability of your faith in Christ.

Nick.

When Jesus called some one naked;
what does He mean by that?

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
We are to be clothed in Christ.

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 05 2014,06:25)

Hi WU, We are to be clothed in Christ.

Nick.

Right; your white robe is knowledge.
With no white robe; you are naked and blind.

Revelation 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, ***and blind, and naked***:

Revelation 3:18 ***I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried
in the fire***,
that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve,
***that thou mayest see***.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Any scriptures to back this claim?

Revelation 7:14
I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU
Rev 3
17 Because you say, “I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing,” and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked, 18 I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see. 19 Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.

Need makes us ask and seek and knock.
Suffering brings grace.

Securing ourselves and our futures with money stops us beseeching our God for grace in time of need.
We lack the gold that endures, grace and gifts that strengthen and enable us to serve,and the works done in him,

Our clothes of salvation can become uncared for, soiled or moth eaten and we are again naked before our God

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