The word speculation is used

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  • #375188
    Wakeup
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    THE WORD SPECULATION IS USED AS A DEFENCE
    FOR ANYONE THAT DISAGREES.

    The book of pophesies in the old and new testament
    are full of symbols. The reason for this is that the wicked
    can not understand. Only the true seekers will be given understanding.They are given the knowledge to undestand
    the meaning of each symbol.And a few sumbols meaning one thing. Such as mountains;heads;beasts;kingdoms.

    Those prophesies can be interpreted in many ways,as many have done so.
    But only the true seekers with the knowledge, can see the difference between correct interpretation, and false interpretation,because they have gone through the prophesies and have understood,and seen the WHOLE PICTURE,WITHOUT ANY EMPTY SPOTS IN IT.

    Empty spots can be patched up,but can be noticed only by one that have the whole picture.

    True interpreation can,and are seen by the majority as speculation,and false.
    This is because they themselves have no understanding.
    They have not the whole picture.
    Therefore can not perceive true interpretations.
    Any interpretation not according to what they have received, is seen as false;without any further investigations.

    True interpretation can be identified only by comparing
    all prophesies, and matching up scripture with scripture.
    A big picture will immerge and without any empty spots;
    if all pieces are put together correctly.

    If this has been achieved,than one has the whole true picture. This means that one has found the whole truth.
    The wlole picture shows from the beginning of creation to the
    new heaven and the new earth.

    Even if the whole truth has been shown to them that have not; they will only see that as speculation.
    Anything that is not according to their understanding,is just
    brushed away as speculation. And can not be bothered to seek for themselves, by comparing the scriptures. Because what is received inside the mind has settled, and accepted as truth. The wine has settled on the bottom of the pot, and has hardened.(wine=believes=religions=doctrines).

    The word speculation is used as a defence in many disagreements.This is very easy to do without any scriptures as back up.Another tactic used is by quoting pages of mixed scriptures,to divert the question.Those are not true seekers.
    Those are defenders of their own doctrine. Warriors of their own faith.There is a spiritual war going on amongst so called christians.Satan has divided the land,for his own gain.And has done very well.

    The truth will not be accepted by anyone that has no truth,because He can not decern between truth and untruth.To him,the truth is what he has received in his mind,
    and no one can change that;unless a miracle happened. This is how he will stay for the rest of his life.

    Some are given more than others,for a reason.
    Some are given ten talents,some five;some one.
    The person with only one,did not explore and it was taken away from him, and given to the person with the ten talents.

    wakeup.

    #375190
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,

    Romans 1:21
    For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    2 Corinthians 10:5
    We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ,

    1 Timothy 1:4
    nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith.

    2 Timothy 2:23
    But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels.

    #375193
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2014,09:31)
    Hi WU,

    Romans 1:21
    For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    2 Corinthians 10:5
    We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ,

    1 Timothy 1:4
    nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith.

    2 Timothy 2:23
    But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels.


    Nick.

    This is true.
    A person that has never seen true leather can not tell the difference between true leather and false leather.
    Unless he has seen and experience the feel and smell of true leather.

    wakeup.

    #375261
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    God defines what is true.

    #375271
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2014,09:31)
    Hi WU,

    Romans 1:21
    For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    2 Corinthians 10:5
    We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ,

    1 Timothy 1:4
    nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith.

    2 Timothy 2:23
    But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels.


    Hi Nick,

    Which bible version are you quoting from?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #375275
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED
    NASB

    #375281
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2014,16:02)
    Hi WU,
    God defines what is true.


    Nick.

    The truth is found in the word.
    The Word of God.
    Seek the word, and you shall find the truth.
    God has given us the whole truth in the scriptures.
    It is for us to do the diggings, to find the treasures.

    wakeup.

    #375311
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    Seek ye first the kingdom and everything else will be added to you.
    That is the priority of God, not knowledge

    #375322
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    2 Timothy 2:23
    But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels.

    All that teaches us is that there is foolish(corrupt?) and ignorant(lacking knowledge) speculation that can lead to angry arguments. There is other types of speculation.

    Peter states something similar with these words.

    2 Peter 3:16
    Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

    The situation that I have seen is that there are those that call speculation those things that are not speculation in order to dodge a conclusion they find unpleasant.

    On the other hand there are those that make claims and do not supply evidence to support them or instead supply spurious evidence that seems to be irrelevant.

    #375381
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 29 2014,05:09)
    Hi WU,
    Seek ye first the kingdom and everything else will be added to you.
    That is the priority of God, not knowledge


    Nick.

    If one has found the kingdom He has knowledge.
    One with no knowledge will never find the kingdom.

    My people are destroyed because of LACK of knowledge.

    Destroyed by the devil;refused knowledge by the devil.
    Instead of knowledge;they have confusion.

    wakeup.

    #375415
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    We see much so called knowledge here but it does not seem to be founded on proofs but just opinion.
    Whom else should we follow?

    #375443
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2014,05:21)
    Hi WU,
    We see much so called knowledge here but it does not seem to be founded on proofs but just opinion.
    Whom else should we follow?


    Nick.

    Follow the Word of God;the scriptures,for there you will find life. Dont ignore the prophesies.

    wakeup.

    #375465
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    Good advice
    But do you heed it?

    #375497
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2014,11:10)
    Hi WU,
    Good advice
    But do you heed it?


    Nick.

    If I dont, then it is your duty to put me right.
    And correct me.Its not your duty to judge,before you bring forward your bit.Judge me with your scriptures.

    wakeup.

    #375660
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    Speculation is rife here.
    It is senseless to add to scripture

    #375730
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 01 2014,05:12)
    Hi,
    Speculation is rife here.
    It is senseless to add to scripture


    Nick.

    Speculations can not be backed up with scriptures.
    But can be proven wrong with scriptures,and I am ready to do that.
    On great example.
    Many churches if not all teach that Gog is Russia.
    I can proof them wrong using scriptures.

    They also teach that babylon the great is the vatican.
    I can proof them wrong with scriptures.

    My interpretations can not be proven wrong with scriptures.
    Because I have the big picture given to me through scripture.

    Anyone can call it false; but can not back up their claim with scriptures.

    wakeup.

    #375731
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 29 2014,08:40)
    Nick,

    2 Timothy 2:23
    But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels.

    All that teaches us is that there is foolish(corrupt?) and ignorant(lacking knowledge) speculation that can lead to angry arguments.  There is other types of speculation.  

    Peter states something similar with these words.

    2 Peter 3:16
    Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

    The situation that I have seen is that there are those that call speculation those things that are not speculation in order to dodge a conclusion they find unpleasant.

    On the other hand there are those that make claims and do not supply evidence to support them or instead supply spurious evidence that seems to be irrelevant.


    Hi KW,
    No speculation is what is claimed to be scripturally true but which has no foundation in scripture

    #375821
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    I hear you.

    #375830
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    Unless you are born again you cannot SEE the kingdom.[jn3]
    Those who wait for full understanding before entering are on a fool's errand.

    Little children obey

    #375893
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2014,06:44)
    Hi WU,
    Unless you are born again you cannot SEE the kingdom.[jn3]
    Those who wait for full understanding before entering are on a fool's errand.

    Little children obey


    Nick.

    One has to be resurrected first to see the kingdom.
    There is the kingdom on earth,and there is the kingdom of heaven,this is where God resides.

    wakeup.

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