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Here is a link to Squarecircles.com, it's a great resource for Urantia Book related resources. Scroll to the bottom of the link and you will see the Koran included in the links to religious works.
Square Circles Publishing, books about the Urantia Book.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 14 2013,01:09) Here is a link to Squarecircles.com, it's a great resource for Urantia Book related resources. Scroll to the bottom of the link and you will see the Koran included in the links to religious works. Square Circles Publishing, books about the Urantia Book.
Colter
The fact is Sadler and Kellogg assembled the Urantia Book and one of the reasons they made Michael not be an angel was so that he could be a god as that translates to Jesus being a god which the SDA detracted from stating any longer.I understand the book has good intentions and the attempt was to reintroduce biblical concepts and stories to the public and that's fine, the only problem is it was presented dishonestly.
Also what it has one for people like you has replaced the Bible and even given you contempt for it. You went from learning about God through the Bibleto showing contempt for it.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 14 2013,04:39) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 14 2013,01:09) Here is a link to Squarecircles.com, it's a great resource for Urantia Book related resources. Scroll to the bottom of the link and you will see the Koran included in the links to religious works. Square Circles Publishing, books about the Urantia Book.
Colter
The fact is Sadler and Kellogg assembled the Urantia Book and one of the reasons they made Michael not be an angel was so that he could be a god as that translates to Jesus being a god which the SDA detracted from stating any longer.I understand the book has good intentions and the attempt was to reintroduce biblical concepts and stories to the public and that's fine, the only problem is it was presented dishonestly.
Also what it has one for people like you has replaced the Bible and even given you contempt for it. You went from learning about God through the Bibleto showing contempt for it.
To the contrary, you are being dishonest yourself, Saddler and Kellogg didn't write the Urantia papers. Saddler denied any authorship of any part whatsoever. So once again you have been caught lying.Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 14 2013,06:45) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 14 2013,04:39) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 14 2013,01:09) Here is a link to Squarecircles.com, it's a great resource for Urantia Book related resources. Scroll to the bottom of the link and you will see the Koran included in the links to religious works. Square Circles Publishing, books about the Urantia Book.
Colter
The fact is Sadler and Kellogg assembled the Urantia Book and one of the reasons they made Michael not be an angel was so that he could be a god as that translates to Jesus being a god which the SDA detracted from stating any longer.I understand the book has good intentions and the attempt was to reintroduce biblical concepts and stories to the public and that's fine, the only problem is it was presented dishonestly.
Also what it has one for people like you has replaced the Bible and even given you contempt for it. You went from learning about God through the Bibleto showing contempt for it.
To the contrary, you are being dishonest yourself, Saddler and Kellogg didn't write the Urantia papers. Saddler denied any authorship of any part whatsoever. So once again you have been caught lying.Colter
He may have denied he wrote it and in fact he may have had other people actually do the writing but the works are his and mr. Kellogs you can see it in all their works. Sadler was already a writer of LARGE books and many books 42 in all. These two who not only were friends but really relatives of sorts this was prime seventh day Adventist material with a psychiatric twist.Anyone who studies Kellogg and Sadler and also studies Mrs. White of the seventh day Adventists will clearly start seeing the picture clearly the attempted invention of a Modern religion based upon the foundation of seventh day adventism
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 14 2013,07:44) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 14 2013,06:45) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 14 2013,04:39) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 14 2013,01:09) Here is a link to Squarecircles.com, it's a great resource for Urantia Book related resources. Scroll to the bottom of the link and you will see the Koran included in the links to religious works. Square Circles Publishing, books about the Urantia Book.
Colter
The fact is Sadler and Kellogg assembled the Urantia Book and one of the reasons they made Michael not be an angel was so that he could be a god as that translates to Jesus being a god which the SDA detracted from stating any longer.I understand the book has good intentions and the attempt was to reintroduce biblical concepts and stories to the public and that's fine, the only problem is it was presented dishonestly.
Also what it has one for people like you has replaced the Bible and even given you contempt for it. You went from learning about God through the Bibleto showing contempt for it.
To the contrary, you are being dishonest yourself, Saddler and Kellogg didn't write the Urantia papers. Saddler denied any authorship of any part whatsoever. So once again you have been caught lying.Colter
He may have denied he wrote it and in fact he may have had other people actually do the writing but the works are his and mr. Kellogs you can see it in all their works. Sadler was already a writer of LARGE books and many books 42 in all. These two who not only were friends but really relatives of sorts this was prime seventh day Adventist material with a psychiatric twist.Anyone who studies Kellogg and Sadler and also studies Mrs. White of the seventh day Adventists will clearly start seeing the picture clearly the attempted invention of a Modern religion based upon the foundation of seventh day adventism
You are entitled to reject the UB but you aren't entitled to your own facts. You continue to make a fool of yourself by not adequately researching your arguments. There are a number of fundamental differences between SDA doctrine and the teachings of the UB.The UB rejects 10 out of 18 on this list of SDA beliefs. There are many more.
SDA doctrine:
1. That God is the Sovereign Creator, upholder, and ruler of the universe, and that He is eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.
2. That the Godhead, the Trinity, comprises God the Father, Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
3. That the Scriptures are the inspired revelation of God to men; and that the Bible is the sole rule of faith and practice.
4. That Jesus Christ is very God, and that He has existed with the Father from all eternity.
5. That the Holy Spirit is a personal being, sharing the attributes of deity with the Father and the Son.
6. That Christ, the Word of God, became incarnate through the miraculous conception and the virgin birth; and that He lived an absolutely sinless life here on earth.
7. That the vicarious, atoning death of Jesus Christ, once for all, is all-sufficient for the redemption of a lost race.
8. That Jesus Christ arose literally and bodily from the grave.
9. That He ascended literally and bodily into heaven.
10. That He now serves as our advocate in priestly ministry and pmediation before the Father.
11. That He will return in a premillennial, personal, imminent second advent.
12. That man was created sinless, but by his subsequent fall entered a state of alienation and depravity.
13. That salvation through Christ is by grace alone, through faith in His blood.
14. That entrance upon the new life in Christ is by regeneration, or the new birth.
15. That man is justified by faith.
16. That man is sanctified by the indwelling Christ through the Holy Spirit.
17. That man will be glorified at the resurrection or translation of the saints, when the Lord returns.
18. That there will be a judgment of all men.Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 14 2013,08:59) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 14 2013,07:44) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 14 2013,06:45) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 14 2013,04:39) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 14 2013,01:09) Here is a link to Squarecircles.com, it's a great resource for Urantia Book related resources. Scroll to the bottom of the link and you will see the Koran included in the links to religious works. Square Circles Publishing, books about the Urantia Book.
Colter
The fact is Sadler and Kellogg assembled the Urantia Book and one of the reasons they made Michael not be an angel was so that he could be a god as that translates to Jesus being a god which the SDA detracted from stating any longer.I understand the book has good intentions and the attempt was to reintroduce biblical concepts and stories to the public and that's fine, the only problem is it was presented dishonestly.
Also what it has one for people like you has replaced the Bible and even given you contempt for it. You went from learning about God through the Bibleto showing contempt for it.
To the contrary, you are being dishonest yourself, Saddler and Kellogg didn't write the Urantia papers. Saddler denied any authorship of any part whatsoever. So once again you have been caught lying.Colter
He may have denied he wrote it and in fact he may have had other people actually do the writing but the works are his and mr. Kellogs you can see it in all their works. Sadler was already a writer of LARGE books and many books 42 in all. These two who not only were friends but really relatives of sorts this was prime seventh day Adventist material with a psychiatric twist.Anyone who studies Kellogg and Sadler and also studies Mrs. White of the seventh day Adventists will clearly start seeing the picture clearly the attempted invention of a Modern religion based upon the foundation of seventh day adventism
You are entitled to reject the UB but you aren't entitled to your own facts. You continue to make a fool of yourself by not adequately researching your arguments. There are a number of fundamental differences between SDA doctrine and the teachings of the UB.The UB rejects 10 out of 18 on this list of SDA beliefs. There are many more.
SDA doctrine:
1. That God is the Sovereign Creator, upholder, and ruler of the universe, and that He is eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.
2. That the Godhead, the Trinity, comprises God the Father, Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
3. That the Scriptures are the inspired revelation of God to men; and that the Bible is the sole rule of faith and practice.
4. That Jesus Christ is very God, and that He has existed with the Father from all eternity.
5. That the Holy Spirit is a personal being, sharing the attributes of deity with the Father and the Son.
6. That Christ, the Word of God, became incarnate through the miraculous conception and the virgin birth; and that He lived an absolutely sinless life here on earth.
7. That the vicarious, atoning death of Jesus Christ, once for all, is all-sufficient for the redemption of a lost race.
8. That Jesus Christ arose literally and bodily from the grave.
9. That He ascended literally and bodily into heaven.
10. That He now serves as our advocate in priestly ministry and pmediation before the Father.
11. That He will return in a premillennial, personal, imminent second advent.
12. That man was created sinless, but by his subsequent fall entered a state of alienation and depravity.
13. That salvation through Christ is by grace alone, through faith in His blood.
14. That entrance upon the new life in Christ is by regeneration, or the new birth.
15. That man is justified by faith.
16. That man is sanctified by the indwelling Christ through the Holy Spirit.
17. That man will be glorified at the resurrection or translation of the saints, when the Lord returns.
18. That there will be a judgment of all men.Colter
First of all some of the SDA doctrineshas changed over the years but most importantly someone being excommunicated and then suddenly embracing “new” ideas is not revolutionary it is more like “I'll show them, I will make up something better”The UB is not real, I am sorry that I gave it so much of my time but I feel that I have gotten down to the bottom of things, thanks for discussing your belief.
For the Grace and Mercy of God I will leave you with this one more time: There is no god except GOD,He does not beget nor is He begotten and He has no partners
You have a small mind Bodhitharta, better for you to stick with the simple mind of Mohamed and his small child wife.
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 15 2013,03:14) You have a small mind Bodhitharta, better for you to stick with the simple mind of Mohamed and his small child wife.
You see, you have no interest in truth. I will demonstrate you say with disapproval something about a mans wife, what does the Urantia book say about that subject?Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 15 2013,04:18) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 15 2013,03:14) You have a small mind Bodhitharta, better for you to stick with the simple mind of Mohamed and his small child wife.
You see, you have no interest in truth. I will demonstrate you say with disapproval something about a mans wife, what does the Urantia book say about that subject?
Mohamed had around 13 wives, one was a child and one a cousin. He also had slaves.The UB doesn't speak to the issue of pedophilia, but it does say the ideal marriage is between one man and one women.
Colter
8. Dangers of Self-Gratification
(942.2) 84:8.1 The great threat against family life is the menacing rising tide of self-gratification, the modern pleasure mania. The prime incentive to marriage used to be economic; sex attraction was secondary. Marriage, founded on self-maintenance, led to self-perpetuation and concomitantly provided one of the most desirable forms of self-gratification. It is the only institution of human society which embraces all three of the great incentives for living.
(942.3) 84:8.2 Originally, property was the basic institution of self-maintenance, while marriage functioned as the unique institution of self-perpetuation. Although food satisfaction, play, and humor, along with periodic sex indulgence, were means of self-gratification, it remains a fact that the evolving mores have failed to build any distinct institution of self-gratification. And it is due to this failure to evolve specialized techniques of pleasurable enjoyment that all human institutions are so completely shot through with this pleasure pursuit. Property accumulation is becoming an instrument for augmenting all forms of self-gratification, while marriage is often viewed only as a means of pleasure. And this overindulgence, this widely spread pleasure mania, now constitutes the greatest threat that has ever been leveled at the social evolutionary institution of family life, the home.
(942.4) 84:8.3 The violet race introduced a new and only imperfectly realized characteristic into the experience of humankind — the play instinct coupled with the sense of humor. It was there in measure in the Sangiks and Andonites, but the Adamic strain elevated this primitive propensity into the potential of pleasure, a new and glorified form of self-gratification. The basic type of self-gratification, aside from appeasing hunger, is sex gratification, and this form of sensual pleasure was enormously heightened by the blending of the Sangiks and the Andites.
(942.5) 84:8.4 There is real danger in the combination of restlessness, curiosity, adventure, and pleasure-abandon characteristic of the post-Andite races. The hunger of the soul cannot be satisfied with physical pleasures; the love of home and children is not augmented by the unwise pursuit of pleasure. Though you exhaust the resources of art, color, sound, rhythm, music, and adornment of person, you cannot hope thereby to elevate the soul or to nourish the spirit. Vanity and fashion cannot minister to home building and child culture; pride and rivalry are powerless to enhance the survival qualities of succeeding generations.
(942.6) 84:8.5 Advancing celestial beings all enjoy rest and the ministry of the reversion directors. All efforts to obtain wholesome diversion and to engage in uplifting play are sound; refreshing sleep, rest, recreation, and all pastimes which prevent the boredom of monotony are worth while. Competitive games, storytelling, and even the taste of good food may serve as forms of self-gratification. (When you use salt to savor food, pause to consider that, for almost a million years, man could obtain salt only by dipping his food in ashes.)
(943.1) 84:8.6 Let man enjoy himself; let the human race find pleasure in a thousand and one ways; let evolutionary mankind explore all forms of legitimate self-gratification, the fruits of the long upward biologic struggle. Man has well earned some of his present-day joys and pleasures. But look you well to the goal of destiny! Pleasures are indeed suicidal if they succeed in destroying property, which has become the institution of self-maintenance; and self-gratifications have indeed cost a fatal price if they bring about the collapse of marriage, the decadence of family life, and the destruction of the home — man’s supreme evolutionary acquirement and civilization’s only hope of survival.
(943.2) 84:8.7 [Presented by the Chief of Seraphim stationed on Urantia.]
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Views on sexuality[edit source]
As an advocate of sexual abstinence, Kellogg devoted large amounts of his educational and medical work to discouraging sexual activity on the basis of dangers both scientifically understood at the time—as in sexually transmissible diseases—and those taught by the Seventh-day Adventist Church.[14][15][16] He set out his views on such matters in one of his larger books, published in various editions around the start of the 20th century under the title Plain Facts about Sexual Life and later Plain Facts for Old and Young.[7] Some of his work on diet was influenced by his belief that a plain and healthy diet, with only two meals a day, among other things, would reduce sexual feelings. Those experiencing temptation were to avoid stimulating food and drinks, and eat very little meat, if any. Kellogg also advocated hydrotherapy and stressed the importance of keeping the colon clean through yogurt enemas.[17][18]
“Warfare with passion”[edit source]
He warned that many types of sexual activity, including many “excesses” that couples could be guilty of within marriage, were against nature, and therefore, extremely unhealthy. He drew on the warnings of William Acton and expressed support for the work of Anthony Comstock. He appears to have followed his own advice; it has been suggested he worked on Plain Facts during his honeymoon.[19]
He was an especially zealous campaigner against masturbation; this was an orthodox view during his lifetime, especially the earlier part. Kellogg was able to draw upon many medical sources' claims such as “neither the plague, nor war, nor small-pox, nor similar diseases, have produced results so disastrous to humanity as the pernicious habit of onanism,” credited to one Dr. Adam Clarke. Kellogg strongly warned against the habit in his own words, claiming of masturbation-related deaths “such a victim literally dies by his own hand,” among other condemnations. He felt that masturbation destroyed not only physical and mental health, but the moral health of individuals as well. Kellogg also believed the practice of this “solitary-vice” caused cancer of the womb, urinary diseases, nocturnal emissions, impotence, epilepsy, insanity, and mental and physical debility; “dimness of vision” was only briefly mentioned.
Drastic measures[edit source]
Kellogg worked on the rehabilitation of masturbators, often employing extreme measures, even mutilation, on both sexes. He was an advocate of circumcising young boys to curb masturbation and applying phenol (carbolic acid) to a young woman's clitoris. In his Plain Facts for Old and Young,[7] he wrote:
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A remedy which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision, especially when there is any degree of phimosis. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anesthetic, as the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment, as it may well be in some cases. The soreness which continues for several weeks interrupts the practice, and if it had not previously become too firmly fixed, it may be forgotten and not resumed.
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a method of treatment [to prevent masturbation] … and we have employed it with entire satisfaction. It consists in the application of one or more silver sutures in such a way as to prevent erection. The prepuce, or foreskin, is drawn forward over the glans, and the needle to which the wire is attached is passed through from one side to the other. After drawing the wire through, the ends are twisted together, and cut off close. It is now impossible for an erection to occur, and the slight irritation thus produced acts as a most powerful means of overcoming the disposition to resort to the practice
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In females, the author has found the application of pure carbolic acid (phenol) to the clitoris an excellent means of
allaying the abnormal excitement.”
He also recommended, to prevent children from this “solitary vice”, bandaging or tying their hands, covering their genitals with patented cages and electrical shock.[7]
In his Ladies' Guide in Health and Disease, for nymphomania, he recommended
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Cool sitz baths; the cool enema; a spare diet; the application of blisters and other irritants to the sensitive parts of the sexual organs, the removal of the clitoris and nymphae…
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