The word God is not a name.

[terraricca]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 11 2013,10:54)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 10 2013,17:52) See,wakeup Bod,does the same thing ,with his Qurun ,he uses the ignorance of bible truth of the christianity world to his advantage ,and so add his book to drive them even further into dispear and ruin, Bod as mastered the devil art ,from Eden , No, didn't add any book the Quran is The Word of God.

Bod

You are evil ,by saying what you say, but have no shame ,yet, we see ,time for now is in your favored ,only time,nothing else,

[Spock]

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2013,22:48)

Quote (Colter @ Sep. 11 2013,22:07) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2013,14:52) Colter. Let me repeat. 1. You are *denying the power of God*,that he can preserve his word,so we can depend on it. You believe in God, but denying his power. You will have no excuse for not knowing God. For he has provided us with his word in tact. Satan is not smarter than God. wakeup. I realize that the power of your pride is what is really at stake, yours is a religion of the presumptive authority of the fetish. If you were honest it would all come tumbleing down. Besides, your man made book challenges the power and foresight of God in the creation of man. Your faith in the Satan God is as strong as ever. Colter Colter. You are judging the writings of the Prophets;Jesus,and the Apostles. You have put your self up high,with your wisdom. The great wise one, who has the authority to sort out what is to be accepted, and what is to be thrown in the trash.Are you truly that great? wakeup. wakeup.

Nope, wrong again, I am addressing the ignorance, confusion and flat out dishonesty of the priestly writers who incorporated the teachings of others like, the prophets, Jesus and the apostles, into their redaction of history and racial pride of self.

Btw, Jesus didn't write anything, at best, those Jewish converts who had a difficult time understanding Jesus when they sat at his feet are, the source of the original written gospels which would suffer redactions themselves. Then there is Paul who never knew Jesus in the flesh.

Better to extract the positive truths of religious books but have a personal relationship with a Living God.

Colter.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,00:07)

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2013,22:48) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 11 2013,22:07) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2013,14:52) Colter. Let me repeat. 1. You are *denying the power of God*,that he can preserve his word,so we can depend on it. You believe in God, but denying his power. You will have no excuse for not knowing God. For he has provided us with his word in tact. Satan is not smarter than God. wakeup. I realize that the power of your pride is what is really at stake, yours is a religion of the presumptive authority of the fetish. If you were honest it would all come tumbleing down. Besides, your man made book challenges the power and foresight of God in the creation of man. Your faith in the Satan God is as strong as ever. Colter Colter. You are judging the writings of the Prophets;Jesus,and the Apostles. You have put your self up high,with your wisdom. The great wise one, who has the authority to sort out what is to be accepted, and what is to be thrown in the trash.Are you truly that great? wakeup. wakeup. Nope, wrong again, I am addressing the ignorance, confusion and flat out dishonesty of the priestly writers who incorporated the teachings of others like, the prophets, Jesus and the apostles, into their redaction of history and racial pride of self. Btw, Jesus didn't write anything, at best, those Jewish converts who had a difficult time understanding Jesus when they sat at his feet are, the source of the original written gospels which would suffer redactions themselves. Then there is Paul who never knew Jesus in the flesh. Better to extract the positive truths of religious books but have a personal relationship with a Living God. Colter.

Which living God do you have a relationship with since there are many gods in your religion or do you jut have a relationship with the “paradise creator son” of the local universe?

[Wakeup]

Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,00:07)

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2013,22:48) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 11 2013,22:07) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2013,14:52) Colter. Let me repeat. 1. You are *denying the power of God*,that he can preserve his word,so we can depend on it. You believe in God, but denying his power. You will have no excuse for not knowing God. For he has provided us with his word in tact. Satan is not smarter than God. wakeup. I realize that the power of your pride is what is really at stake, yours is a religion of the presumptive authority of the fetish. If you were honest it would all come tumbleing down. Besides, your man made book challenges the power and foresight of God in the creation of man. Your faith in the Satan God is as strong as ever. Colter Colter. You are judging the writings of the Prophets;Jesus,and the Apostles. You have put your self up high,with your wisdom. The great wise one, who has the authority to sort out what is to be accepted, and what is to be thrown in the trash.Are you truly that great? wakeup. wakeup. Nope, wrong again, I am addressing the ignorance, confusion and flat out dishonesty of the priestly writers who incorporated the teachings of others like, the prophets, Jesus and the apostles, into their redaction of history and racial pride of self. Btw, Jesus didn't write anything, at best, those Jewish converts who had a difficult time understanding Jesus when they sat at his feet are, the source of the original written gospels which would suffer redactions themselves. Then there is Paul who never knew Jesus in the flesh. Better to extract the positive truths of religious books but have a personal relationship with a Living God. Colter.

Colter.

What you really are saying is that those jews are
smarter than God,they have manage to put a stumbling block,for the true seekers, so they can not ever find the truth.

You have judged the book,and have found it quilty
by your wisdom.
But also denying that you are judging.
You say one thing,and do the opposite.

wakeup.

[Spock]

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2013,03:33)

Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,00:07) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2013,22:48) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 11 2013,22:07) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2013,14:52) Colter. Let me repeat. 1. You are *denying the power of God*,that he can preserve his word,so we can depend on it. You believe in God, but denying his power. You will have no excuse for not knowing God. For he has provided us with his word in tact. Satan is not smarter than God. wakeup. I realize that the power of your pride is what is really at stake, yours is a religion of the presumptive authority of the fetish. If you were honest it would all come tumbleing down. Besides, your man made book challenges the power and foresight of God in the creation of man. Your faith in the Satan God is as strong as ever. Colter Colter. You are judging the writings of the Prophets;Jesus,and the Apostles. You have put your self up high,with your wisdom. The great wise one, who has the authority to sort out what is to be accepted, and what is to be thrown in the trash.Are you truly that great? wakeup. wakeup. Nope, wrong again, I am addressing the ignorance, confusion and flat out dishonesty of the priestly writers who incorporated the teachings of others like, the prophets, Jesus and the apostles, into their redaction of history and racial pride of self. Btw, Jesus didn't write anything, at best, those Jewish converts who had a difficult time understanding Jesus when they sat at his feet are, the source of the original written gospels which would suffer redactions themselves. Then there is Paul who never knew Jesus in the flesh. Better to extract the positive truths of religious books but have a personal relationship with a Living God. Colter. Colter. What you really are saying is that those jews are smarter than God,they have manage to put a stumbling block,for the true seekers, so they can not ever find the truth. You have judged the book,and have found it quilty by your wisdom. But also denying that you are judging. You say one thing,and do the opposite. wakeup.

No, I'm saying God never set out to write a book in the first place, the educated elite priest class has always controlled the common man with fear. Even so, the Jews never claimed to be writing the Word of God. The redacted OT books became scripture upon retuning to Israel from Babylon. Many have been confused and mislead by the false, exaggerated teachings therein.

Call it what you will, I find the commonly used, current collection of books made by Rome to be historically and factually inaccurate and worst of all, misrepresentative of God the Father.

So it is with boldness and conviction that I proclaim the truth that God’s reputation is impugned by the Hebrew hijacking of history! I stand in complete readiness to be judged by this same God for defending his character, his Word, the truth and the real history of his creation.

Colter

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,03:57)

No, I'm saying God never set out to write a book in the first place, the educated elite priest class has always controlled the common man with fear. Even so, the Jews never claimed to be writing the Word of God. The redacted OT books became scripture upon retuning to Israel from Babylon. Many have been confused and mislead by the false, exaggerated teachings therein. Call it what you will, I find the commonly used, current collection of books made by Rome to be historically and factually inaccurate and worst of all, misrepresentative of God the Father. So it is with boldness and conviction that I proclaim the truth that God’s reputation is impugned by the Hebrew hijacking of history! I stand in complete readiness to be judged by this same God for defending his character, his Word, the truth and the real history of his creation. Colter

If you spent just a tiny bit of time doing a little research you would be much better off. What would the collection of books by Rome i.e. The Bible have anything to do with Judaism in which there is no such collection?

The Jews have the TORAH and it was meant to be written asthe Word of God what do you think those laws were for, do you not believe God etched those commandments into the stone tablets? That is called writing and tht is calledthe Word of God.

To the Jew there is no such thing as the OT because they don't accept any such thing as the NT and the Urantia Book certainly borrows a massive amount from the NT and whe I mean borrow I don't mean ideas I mean verbatim sentences and paragraphs which shows a flaw in it.

When reading the Quran for instanceyou don't run into things already said by Jesus in the NT that would be pointless. The Urantia Book only adds endless speculative data that cannot be proved or for that matter has no practical meaning or application.

Can you explain to me one valid concept of the Urantia Book that was needed

[Spock]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 12 2013,05:11)

Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,03:57) No, I'm saying God never set out to write a book in the first place, the educated elite priest class has always controlled the common man with fear. Even so, the Jews never claimed to be writing the Word of God. The redacted OT books became scripture upon retuning to Israel from Babylon. Many have been confused and mislead by the false, exaggerated teachings therein. Call it what you will, I find the commonly used, current collection of books made by Rome to be historically and factually inaccurate and worst of all, misrepresentative of God the Father. So it is with boldness and conviction that I proclaim the truth that God’s reputation is impugned by the Hebrew hijacking of history! I stand in complete readiness to be judged by this same God for defending his character, his Word, the truth and the real history of his creation. Colter If you spent just a tiny bit of time doing a little research you would be much better off. What would the collection of books by Rome i.e. The Bible have anything to do with Judaism in which there is no such collection? The Jews have the TORAH and it was meant to be written asthe Word of God what do you think those laws were for, do you not believe God etched those commandments into the stone tablets? That is called writing and tht is calledthe Word of God. To the Jew there is no such thing as the OT because they don't accept any such thing as the NT and the Urantia Book certainly borrows a massive amount from the NT and whe I mean borrow I don't mean ideas I mean verbatim sentences and paragraphs which shows a flaw in it. When reading the Quran for instanceyou don't run into things already said by Jesus in the NT that would be pointless. The Urantia Book only adds endless speculative data that cannot be proved or for that matter has no practical meaning or application. Can you explain to me one valid concept of the Urantia Book that was needed

I've done quite a bit of research on the OT books written in captivity, but I do understand that Islam bases itself on the same faulty foundation, so you are forced to agree with the Jews writings about themselves as Gods “chosen people.”

The UB teaches numerous concepts for the future of our world, you should actually read it one day to see what it is that you disagree with.

Colter

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,05:48)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 12 2013,05:11) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,03:57) No, I'm saying God never set out to write a book in the first place, the educated elite priest class has always controlled the common man with fear. Even so, the Jews never claimed to be writing the Word of God. The redacted OT books became scripture upon retuning to Israel from Babylon. Many have been confused and mislead by the false, exaggerated teachings therein. Call it what you will, I find the commonly used, current collection of books made by Rome to be historically and factually inaccurate and worst of all, misrepresentative of God the Father. So it is with boldness and conviction that I proclaim the truth that God’s reputation is impugned by the Hebrew hijacking of history! I stand in complete readiness to be judged by this same God for defending his character, his Word, the truth and the real history of his creation. Colter If you spent just a tiny bit of time doing a little research you would be much better off. What would the collection of books by Rome i.e. The Bible have anything to do with Judaism in which there is no such collection? The Jews have the TORAH and it was meant to be written asthe Word of God what do you think those laws were for, do you not believe God etched those commandments into the stone tablets? That is called writing and tht is calledthe Word of God. To the Jew there is no such thing as the OT because they don't accept any such thing as the NT and the Urantia Book certainly borrows a massive amount from the NT and whe I mean borrow I don't mean ideas I mean verbatim sentences and paragraphs which shows a flaw in it. When reading the Quran for instanceyou don't run into things already said by Jesus in the NT that would be pointless. The Urantia Book only adds endless speculative data that cannot be proved or for that matter has no practical meaning or application. Can you explain to me one valid concept of the Urantia Book that was needed I've done quite a bit of research on the OT books written in captivity, but I do understand that Islam bases itself on the same faulty foundation, so you are forced to agree with the Jews writings about themselves as Gods “chosen people.” The UB teaches numerous concepts for the future of our world, you should actually read it one day to see what it is that you disagree with. Colter

More sidestepping? Really? I asked Plainly

Can you explain to me one valid concept of the Urantia Book that was needed?

ONE SINGLE THING

[bodhitharta]

The UB was supposed to be written by other worldly beings and yet they did not even have the foresight of knowing there woul be more than 48 States even that could have been a modern prophecy that Alaska would have soon become a stateor Hawaii or Washington D.C. but no it had no forsight on eve the most simple things

[Spock]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 12 2013,11:06)

Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,05:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 12 2013,05:11) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,03:57) No, I'm saying God never set out to write a book in the first place, the educated elite priest class has always controlled the common man with fear. Even so, the Jews never claimed to be writing the Word of God. The redacted OT books became scripture upon retuning to Israel from Babylon. Many have been confused and mislead by the false, exaggerated teachings therein. Call it what you will, I find the commonly used, current collection of books made by Rome to be historically and factually inaccurate and worst of all, misrepresentative of God the Father. So it is with boldness and conviction that I proclaim the truth that God’s reputation is impugned by the Hebrew hijacking of history! I stand in complete readiness to be judged by this same God for defending his character, his Word, the truth and the real history of his creation. Colter If you spent just a tiny bit of time doing a little research you would be much better off. What would the collection of books by Rome i.e. The Bible have anything to do with Judaism in which there is no such collection? The Jews have the TORAH and it was meant to be written asthe Word of God what do you think those laws were for, do you not believe God etched those commandments into the stone tablets? That is called writing and tht is calledthe Word of God. To the Jew there is no such thing as the OT because they don't accept any such thing as the NT and the Urantia Book certainly borrows a massive amount from the NT and whe I mean borrow I don't mean ideas I mean verbatim sentences and paragraphs which shows a flaw in it. When reading the Quran for instanceyou don't run into things already said by Jesus in the NT that would be pointless. The Urantia Book only adds endless speculative data that cannot be proved or for that matter has no practical meaning or application. Can you explain to me one valid concept of the Urantia Book that was needed I've done quite a bit of research on the OT books written in captivity, but I do understand that Islam bases itself on the same faulty foundation, so you are forced to agree with the Jews writings about themselves as Gods “chosen people.” The UB teaches numerous concepts for the future of our world, you should actually read it one day to see what it is that you disagree with. Colter More sidestepping? Really? I asked Plainly Can you explain to me one valid concept of the Urantia Book that was needed? ONE SINGLE THING

God the Sevenfold
The Paradice Trinity
The Paradice Creator Sons
the ascension program
Morantia Mota
The Core of the Finalitors
The Though Adjusters
Purposeful Evolution
Explanation of “translation”

The restoration of lost history:

The first Son, planetary prince Caligastia
Adam and Eve, their mision and the first Garden
The tree of Life
Explanation of the Lucifer rebellion
The Nodites
Who were the Nephilim
Revelation about The Primary and Secondary Midwayers.
The Kingdom of heaven as originally taught by Jesus.
The original Gospel
Hebrew History
Macaventia Melchizedek
The Seven commands of Melchizedeks Salem teaching mission.

Colter

[Spock]

9/11 reminds me:

“In olden times the fetish word of authority was a fear-inspiring doctrine, the most terrible of all tyrants which enslave men. A doctrinal fetish will lead mortal man to betray himself into the clutches of bigotry, fanaticism, superstition, intolerance, and the most atrocious of barbarous cruelties. Modern respect for wisdom and truth is but the recent escape from the fetish-making tendency up to the higher levels of thinking and reasoning. Concerning the accumulated fetish writings which various religionists hold as sacred books, it is not only believed that what is in the book is true, but also that every truth is contained in the book. If one of these sacred books happens to speak of the earth as being flat, then, for long generations, otherwise sane men and women will refuse to accept positive evidence that the planet is round.” UB 1955

Religion and it's sick, so called Word of God” leads people to justify their own hatful insanity!!!

Colter

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,12:20)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 12 2013,11:06) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,05:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 12 2013,05:11) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,03:57) No, I'm saying God never set out to write a book in the first place, the educated elite priest class has always controlled the common man with fear. Even so, the Jews never claimed to be writing the Word of God. The redacted OT books became scripture upon retuning to Israel from Babylon. Many have been confused and mislead by the false, exaggerated teachings therein. Call it what you will, I find the commonly used, current collection of books made by Rome to be historically and factually inaccurate and worst of all, misrepresentative of God the Father. So it is with boldness and conviction that I proclaim the truth that God’s reputation is impugned by the Hebrew hijacking of history! I stand in complete readiness to be judged by this same God for defending his character, his Word, the truth and the real history of his creation. Colter If you spent just a tiny bit of time doing a little research you would be much better off. What would the collection of books by Rome i.e. The Bible have anything to do with Judaism in which there is no such collection? The Jews have the TORAH and it was meant to be written asthe Word of God what do you think those laws were for, do you not believe God etched those commandments into the stone tablets? That is called writing and tht is calledthe Word of God. To the Jew there is no such thing as the OT because they don't accept any such thing as the NT and the Urantia Book certainly borrows a massive amount from the NT and whe I mean borrow I don't mean ideas I mean verbatim sentences and paragraphs which shows a flaw in it. When reading the Quran for instanceyou don't run into things already said by Jesus in the NT that would be pointless. The Urantia Book only adds endless speculative data that cannot be proved or for that matter has no practical meaning or application. Can you explain to me one valid concept of the Urantia Book that was needed I've done quite a bit of research on the OT books written in captivity, but I do understand that Islam bases itself on the same faulty foundation, so you are forced to agree with the Jews writings about themselves as Gods “chosen people.” The UB teaches numerous concepts for the future of our world, you should actually read it one day to see what it is that you disagree with. Colter More sidestepping? Really? I asked Plainly Can you explain to me one valid concept of the Urantia Book that was needed? ONE SINGLE THING God the Sevenfold The Paradice Trinity The Paradice Creator Sons the ascension program Morantia Mota The Core of the Finalitors The Though Adjusters Purposeful Evolution Explanation of “translation” The restoration of lost history: The first Son, planetary prince Caligastia Adam and Eve, their mision and the first Garden The tree of Life Explanation of the Lucifer rebellion The Nodites Who were the Nephilim Revelation about The Primary and Secondary Midwayers. The Kingdom of heaven as originally taught by Jesus. The original Gospel Hebrew History Macaventia Melchizedek The Seven commands of Melchizedeks Salem teaching mission. Colter

Those are not needed concepts

Can you explain to me one valid concept of the Urantia Book that was needed?

Some of these are extrapolations of things the bible itself didn't feel needed further investigation nd some of thse are Catholic extrapoltions rebranded.

For instance what benefit is it to you to know anything about the nephelim?

What benefit is it to you to think of God in a plural sense?

Can you answer those two things?

[Spock]

Bodhitharta, no matter what I explain you just ask more questions, you don't really want answers, you want to argue and try desperately to find fault with the UB.

1) The Nephilim were part of Prince Caligastia's staff of incarnate super mortals, ascendant beings from other worlds who volunteered for service. Roughly half of these 100 fell in the Lucifer rebellion. Having superior gene plasm they attempted to repopulate the earth by “mating with the daughters of men” while hardly Gods, their tall stature and origins gave rise to undue reverence for them. They are the source of ancient mythowlogys. I find it interesting.

2) The Trinity explains how and why Michael is our creator Son, how the absolute I AM personifies, how mans personality comes from God.

Colter

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,22:22)

Bodhitharta, no matter what I explain you just ask more questions, you don't really want answers, you want to argue and try desperately to find fault with the UB. 1) The Nephilim were part of Prince Caligastia's staff of incarnate super mortals, ascendant beings from other worlds who volunteered for service. Roughly half of these 100 fell in the Lucifer rebellion. Having superior gene plasm they attempted to repopulate the earth by “mating with the daughters of men” while hardly Gods, their tall stature and origins gave rise to undue reverence for them. They are the source of ancient mythowlogys. I find it interesting. 2) The Trinity explains how and why Michael is our creator Son, how the absolute I AM personifies, how mans personality comes from God. Colter

Well, at least I understand that you are primarily a seventh day adventist offshoot, that helps me at least undersand where these ideas stemmed from.

It's strange you know there arejust so many of your Christian groups over 33,000 they just vary so much this one is pretty out there but not that unique:

Conversations With God Book 1 Page 52

The great teachers of your Christian religion understand this. They know that Jesus was not perturbed by the crucifixion, but expected it. He could have walked away, but He did not. He could have stopped the process at any point. He had that power. Yet He did not. He allowed himself to be crucified in order that He might stand as man’s eternal salvation. Look, He said, at what I can do. Look at what is true. And know that these things, and more, shall you also do. For have I not said, ye are gods? Yet you do not believe. If you cannot, then, believe in yourself, believe in Me.

Conversations With God Book 1 Page 197

So it is that Jesus of Nazareth, among the many who understood this mystery, spoke immutable truth when he said, “I and the Father are One.”

[Spock]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,14:19)

Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,22:22) Bodhitharta, no matter what I explain you just ask more questions, you don't really want answers, you want to argue and try desperately to find fault with the UB. 1) The Nephilim were part of Prince Caligastia's staff of incarnate super mortals, ascendant beings from other worlds who volunteered for service. Roughly half of these 100 fell in the Lucifer rebellion. Having superior gene plasm they attempted to repopulate the earth by “mating with the daughters of men” while hardly Gods, their tall stature and origins gave rise to undue reverence for them. They are the source of ancient mythowlogys. I find it interesting. 2) The Trinity explains how and why Michael is our creator Son, how the absolute I AM personifies, how mans personality comes from God. Colter Well, at least I understand that you are primarily a seventh day adventist offshoot, that helps me at least undersand where these ideas stemmed from. It's strange you know there arejust so many of your Christian groups over 33,000 they just vary so much this one is pretty out there but not that unique: Conversations With God Book 1 Page 52 The great teachers of your Christian religion understand this. They know that Jesus was not perturbed by the crucifixion, but expected it. He could have walked away, but He did not. He could have stopped the process at any point. He had that power. Yet He did not. He allowed himself to be crucified in order that He might stand as man’s eternal salvation. Look, He said, at what I can do. Look at what is true. And know that these things, and more, shall you also do. For have I not said, ye are gods? Yet you do not believe. If you cannot, then, believe in yourself, believe in Me. Conversations With God Book 1 Page 197 So it is that Jesus of Nazareth, among the many who understood this mystery, spoke immutable truth when he said, “I and the Father are One.”

Saddler and Kellogg were excommunicated from the SDA, ther are some similarities but thousands of new things never known in the Urantia Revelation.

Islam is basically an offshoot of the Jews book of exagerations and lies. So it's foundation of the violent God is evident in the way they think and behave.

Colte

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Colter @ Sep. 13 2013,14:47)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,14:19) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,22:22) Bodhitharta, no matter what I explain you just ask more questions, you don't really want answers, you want to argue and try desperately to find fault with the UB. 1) The Nephilim were part of Prince Caligastia's staff of incarnate super mortals, ascendant beings from other worlds who volunteered for service. Roughly half of these 100 fell in the Lucifer rebellion. Having superior gene plasm they attempted to repopulate the earth by “mating with the daughters of men” while hardly Gods, their tall stature and origins gave rise to undue reverence for them. They are the source of ancient mythowlogys. I find it interesting. 2) The Trinity explains how and why Michael is our creator Son, how the absolute I AM personifies, how mans personality comes from God. Colter Well, at least I understand that you are primarily a seventh day adventist offshoot, that helps me at least undersand where these ideas stemmed from. It's strange you know there arejust so many of your Christian groups over 33,000 they just vary so much this one is pretty out there but not that unique: Conversations With God Book 1 Page 52 The great teachers of your Christian religion understand this. They know that Jesus was not perturbed by the crucifixion, but expected it. He could have walked away, but He did not. He could have stopped the process at any point. He had that power. Yet He did not. He allowed himself to be crucified in order that He might stand as man’s eternal salvation. Look, He said, at what I can do. Look at what is true. And know that these things, and more, shall you also do. For have I not said, ye are gods? Yet you do not believe. If you cannot, then, believe in yourself, believe in Me. Conversations With God Book 1 Page 197 So it is that Jesus of Nazareth, among the many who understood this mystery, spoke immutable truth when he said, “I and the Father are One.” Saddler and Kellogg were excommunicated from the SDA, ther are some similarities but thousands of new things never known in the Urantia Revelation. Islam is basically an offshoot of the Jews book of exagerations and lies. So it's foundation of the violent God is evident in the way they think and behave. Colte

This study of William S. Sadler (1875-1969), physician, surgeon, psychiatrist, professor, and author of forty-two books, investigates that phase of his career devoted to oratory. It concentrates upon the period 1905 to 1926 when he was a popular lecturer on Chautauqua platforms. It traces the influences which molded his public speaking interest from a high school commencement address delivered at the age of eight to the decision to become a public lecturer. This was unprecedented in an era when concepts of the American Medical Association did not permit doctors to advertise. He was a student of Sigmund Freud, an associate of Alfred Adler, Karl Jung and John Harvey Kellogg. These associations were evidenced as influential factors in his career.
The purpose of this study was to analyze rhetorically those elements of Sadler's speeches on preventive medicine which governed his oral contributions. His message focused on the education of the masses so as to counteract public ignorance, medical quackery, and harmful patent remedies. The study revealed that audiences were eager for authentic health information.

Sadler had no published biography; however, the writer had access to his personal papers and books. Letters attesting to his popularity as a speaker were found in Special Collections at the University of Iowa. Early speeches were discovered at The John Crerar Library in Chicago.

Sadler would not be classified as a great orator; yet, he gained audience appeal through a unique style and implementation of histrionics and humor…

William Samuel Sadler was born in Spencer, Indiana, to Samuel Cavins Sadler and Sarah Isabelle (Wilson) Sadler on June 24, 1875. His father was a graduate of the Chicago Conservatory of Music; he was a teacher and a performer.

…while searching through the attic when he [William S. Sadler] was twelve, he found an old Bible. Thinking about the old deserted church across the tracks from his house, he called his baseball buddies together and for several afternoons they “played church,” i.e. , his gang was the audience and he was the speaker. This small beginning of preaching in a vacated pulpit had its reverberations as he continued to prepare himself for a career of public speaking…

At the age of fourteen, Sadler left his home in Wabash, Indiana, and moved to Battle Creek, Michigan. He worked as a bell boy in the world renowned Battle Creek Sanitarium headed by Dr. John Harvey Kellogg [a famous Seventh-day Adventist] and attended Battle Creek College. Dr. John Harvey Kellogg was influential in molding the lives of many young people “In those days he did much toward giving needed counsel, direction, and even financial assistance to . . . young men who were struggling to get ahead.” Kellogg was to have more than a passing influence on the life of Sadler…

During this time when he was sixteen and was visiting a church in Fort Wayne, Indiana, the minister extended an open invitation to the laity to speak; Sadler impulsively accepted the opportunity. After church the minister called him into his study and inquired concerning his knowledge of the Bible. The minister was planning a two-week vacation; he asked Sadler to preach for him during his absence. Sadler was eager to speak and for two weeks he preached both morning and evening sermons. He received letters of commendation concerning these efforts; a local newspaper called him “the boy preacher.” His preaching as a boy possibly led to his later decision to enter the ministry.

On March 7, 1899, he became a licensed minister of the Seventh Day Adventist Church, and in 1901 he became an ordained minister.

However, he rarely revealed this facet of his career to his closest associates. In his youth, Sadler did not remain with one career for long; he adapted to new situations easily and was willing to apply his energies to new tasks…

While Sadler was working with the Chicago Medical Mission, Dr. Kellogg felt it necessary that he receive more evangelistic instruction. He therefore enrolled as a special student at Moody Bible Institute.

In 1897, Sadler married Lena Kellogg, the niece of Dr. John Harvey Kellogg. In 1899 their first son was born, but lived only nine months. While comforting his wife, Sadler said, “You can have another baby, and perhaps in the meantime since you have always wanted to do it, we can study medicine.”

They entered Cooper Medical College in San Francisco in 1901. While at Cooper they earned their room and board by operating a home for Christian medical students…

While finishing his medical work, Sadler paid his expenses by lecturing and by special detective work.

Again, he demonstrated a talent for this type of activity. Largely through his services, a wide-scale situation of graft in Chicago politics was exposed.16 Many years later, he reflected how this wor
k had almost led him into an entirely different career than the one he followed. He had been offered an executive position in the governmental intelligence organization which eventually was to become the Federal Bureau of Investigation…

Dr. John Harvey Kellogg, who was interested in the Hull House social service center, founded in Chicago by Jane Addams, invited Sadler to work with this project; however, because Sadler felt that physical health could not be taught separate from spiritual health, their association never actualized.

Sadler believed that the laity was passing through a period of popular reaction against the scientific materialism of the last century. “The common people are awaking to the fact that the mental state has much to do with bodily health and disease.”

…Eventually Sadler gave up surgery and entered into psychiatry full time. In 1911 he went to Europe to study under Freud. Although he respected Freud, he rejected his notion of fixed symbols.

“Now, I don't mean by this that I am a believer in all the non-sense that has been put out under the guise of modern Freudian philosophy. When I have a patient who has a sex worry, I find the Freudian system very helpful in trying to get at the bottom of the thing and helping them over their trouble; but when it comes to the belief that all forms of worry, tension and nerves are of a sex origin, then I dissent . While we all recognize much that is valuable in Freud's teaching, it should be stated that he has not convinced the majority of psychologists and psychotherapists that all nervous disorders have a sex origin. We recognize that there are other human instincts and impulses just as strong as the sex urge. First of all there comes the instinct to live, to get food, and then, in many individuals, the religious emotion is very powerful, so that we cannot accept the Freudian doctrine that all our nervous troubles are due to suppression of the emotions and further that the particular emotion suppressed that is responsible for the trouble is the sex emotion.”

…In 1911, Sadler began giving public addresses concerning the various phases of the phenomena and philosophy of spiritualism. He had had many patients under his professional care who had been clairvoyants, mediums' trance talkers, psychics, and sensitives. Due to the great interest factor pertaining to spiritualism following the war, A. C. McClurg and Company, his publishers, asked Sadler to prepare the manuscript of his lecture for publication.

Sadler had an unusual interest in the spiritualism phenomenon.

At one time he worked with Howard Thurston, the magician, in the exposure of frauds, fakes, and mediums in the Chicago area.

It is not the intention of this paper to make the claim that Sadler was solely responsible for major changes in the American Medical Association or in the attitudes of the lay public toward medicine and medical practitioners. It may well be that such changes were forthcoming by the very nature of the social structure and dynamic institutions which were contributing to the evolutionary movement of American society. Certainly, in his own mind, and in the opinions of many who knew him, he had had a role of more than average significance. That change was occurring is attested to in statements found in the Index and Digest of Official Actions, published by the American Medical Association, where a record of a 1914 report mentions:

Of late years the American Medical Association, through its Council on Health and Public Instruction has endeavored to spread broadcast knowledge of preventive medicine and public hygiene. It has endeavored to educate the public to an appreciation of what physicians and surgeons are doing and what are their aims and ideals in medicine. This has aroused a widespread interest in the public mind, and the public press has eagerly seized on this propaganda as news which interests its readers and which is, therefore, something to be sought and published. This has been legitimate work of public benefit and for the public good, and no one questions that it should be highly commended.

Certain newspapers have heralded this stepping over the limits of the former strict adherence of the profession to its non-advertising principles as something laudatory and much to be desired.

Although this change had taken place, the American Medical Association was still persistent in its efforts to prevent the abuse which this new freedom could possibly give birth to.

Sadler's position followed the logic that people were going to get their information from other sources less authentic and reliable; therefore, it was the responsibility of capable authorities to provide them with the correct inclination:

“. . . I myself am tempted to feel that it might be better to shut up like a clam and make an end of all this effort to instruct the layman, but my better judgment admonishes me that this is not the solution of the problem. Whether it pertains to science, philosophy, or religion, if a little knowledge is dangerous and the public already has this deleterious minimum of information, then there is but one solution of the problem–competent teachers must step into the picture and give the layman sufficient authentic information to take the danger out of the little knowledge he has.”

…Sadler was no ordinary man or he could not have endured the pace in which he lived. Not only was he a surgeon and a psychiatrist, but he was a professor at the Post graduate medical school of Chicago, professor of pastoral Psychiatry, at McCormick Theological Seminary, and a staff member of Columbus Hospital. He held memberships in the following associations: Life Fellow American College of Surgeons, Fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, Fellow of the American Medical Association, Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association, Member of American Psycho-Pathological Association, Member of Illinois Psychiatric Association, The Chicago Society for Personality. Study, The Chicago Medical Society, The Illinois State Medical Society, Board Member, W. K. Kellogg Foundation, Battle Creek, The Eugene Field Society, International Mark Twain Society, National Association of Authors and Journalists, Founder Member, Gorgas Memorial Institute in Tropical and Pr! eventive Medicine, and member of its governing board. Involvement in these institutions and their activities undoubtedly required effort; however, Sadler had a desire to extend his talents to the Lyceum and Chautauqua platform.

[bodhitharta]

Martin Gardner is a science writer, and members might have read his articles in Scientific American and the unusual novel The Flight of Peter Fromm… He takes on the task of examining the origins of the enormous [URANTIA] book (allegedly over a million words) to determine who among the ex-Seventh-day Adventists compiled it, and its effects on the small but world-wide group of true believers who still proclaim that it is far more important than the Jewish and Christian Bible, and the Koran. Gardner refers to it as “an incredibly detailed mix of science, ethics, politics and polytheology”, and ascribed its creation to the two men most responsible for it, “two ex-seventh-day Adventists, Dr William Samuel Sadler (1875-1969), a famous Chicago psychiatrist, and his brother-in-law Wilfred Custer Kellogg (1876-1956), a painfully shy, self effacing neurotic businessman.” We all are familiar with the second name as the product of Kelloggs is a household word in this country as it is in America, and the Sanitarium Health Foods which help to finance the Seventh-day Adventist movement finds clients throughout our communities. Wilfred's father, Dr John Harvey Kellog ran the Battle Creek Sanitarium, and was one of the country's most prominent leaders in the church. His brother William Kellogg was the founder of the Kellogg Cornflake Company. The Sadler family, who became converts [to Seventh-day Adventism] after the death of a daughter, sent William Sadler to the Adventists Battle Creek College. He worked for the Doctor and later studied medicine, managing several church charity works for John Kellogg. Later, both began to challenge the “testimonies” of Sister Ellen White, where once they had believed that her books and preachings were divinely inspired. Both men were disturbed when they realised…
About 1906, Dr John Kellogg was excommunicated and Sadler left the Seventh-day Adventist church. Sadler joined the Kellogg family, as it were, by marrying the sister of Wilfred Kellogg's wife, and both he and his new wife graduated as doctors about this time. However a few years later, Sadler gave up surgery and studied psychiatry, becoming a prolific writer of books and heading an Institute in Chicago. The families lived close together, the book Urantia was published in 1955, the result of the work of a dedicated and devout Christian group under the guidance and direction of Dr William Sadler, who, it is claimed, supervised and edited the messages channelled from the supernatural angelic staff of heaven through the “sleeper”, Wilfred Kellogg, messages that brought the entire and true story of the history of the world and the mind of God, particularly the authentic story of Jesus which was to be disseminated to the world. This work was seems to have begun around 1906, and culminated in the publication of the Urantia Book in 1955. By then the group had grown considerably, and a Foundation financed the publication…

The influence of [the religious group surrounding the Urantial Book] at present is not widespread, but it appears to have ample funds to continue on after the death of its leader Dr William Sadler in 1969 and a dedicated Committee to continue the work…

Sadler himself often exposed fraudulent spiritualists and people claiming visions where he found them impinging on his domain. In relation to the visions of Ellen White, however, he supported her contacts with the divine and scorned any criticism of the Adventist beliefs. His break with all this caused him much pain but he embraced the concept of Urantia as a future for the earth and the transmission of Truth through the channelling of messages from God and his heirarchy of angels through a sleeping medium, with more fervour than ever…

The trouble with the written word, as those who insist on the literal truth of Bibles find, time alters the context in which things are defined, and despite efforts to amend texts to say something different when the world changes to embrace new knowledge, the original text cannot be totally removed. Dr Sadler and his wife, for example, because of their extreme views on eugenics, became convinced of the inequality of the races, and were distinctly embarrassed to find that Hitler's views mirrored those of the Urantian God and his angels in relation to selective breeding, which could remove the inferior species.

[bodhitharta]

By the time of his death, Sadler was acclaimed for his accurate prediction of the advent of organ transplantation decades before the practice became commonplace.[35] Members of the Urantia movement have also held high opinions of Sadler, sometimes idolizing him. In her 2003 profile of the Urantia movement, Lewis states that descriptions of Sadler by members of the movement could suggest that he possessed charismatic authority and is revered as “the chosen”.[83] Gooch deems Sadler the “Moses of the Urantia movement” and casts him as “one of America's homegrown religious leaders, an original along the lines of Joseph Smith”.[84] He also applauds Sadler's writings about mediums, describing Sadler's book The Truth About Spiritualism as “one of the strongest attacks ever written on fraudulent mediums and their methods”.[85]

Gooch believes there is a contradiction between Sadler's advocacy of science and reason and his support of the avant-garde theological, “inter-planetary” contents of The Urantia Book.[86] Gardner describes Sadler's life story as “riveting” and summarizes him as an “intelligent, gifted” person who proved to be “gullible” about alleged supernatural revelations.[87] He contends that Sadler eventually developed megalomania that was unrecognized by those around him and argues that Sadler succumbed to hubris and began to believe that he was a prophet, divinely chosen as the founder and leader of a new religion.[88] Lewis disputes this characterization, maintaining that Sadler and those around him sought only to clarify and explain the teachings of the Bible.[89]

[bodhitharta]

In 1935, Sadler concluded that the papers found in the sleeping patient's house were not a hoax, citing their “genuineness and insight”, and arguing that the sleeping man was not a medium for the dead, but was used by living beings to communicate.[58] Papers ceased appearing in the sleeping man's house in the 1930s; Sadler then took a clear role as leader of the discussion group.[51] The forum discontinued their discussion meetings in 1942, and The Urantia Book was published in 1955; it purportedly contained information from the celestial beings who had spoken through the sleeping man.[59] The Urantia Book presents itself as the fifth “epochal” revelation God has given to humanity,[60] and states that its purpose is to help humanity evolve to a higher form of life. It has four sections. The first section covers the nature of God and the universe, the second describes the portions of the universe nearest to Earth and Lucifer's rebellion, the third details the history of Earth and human religions, and the fourth provides an account of Jesus's life and accompanying doctrines.[61] Sadler maintained that the teachings of the book were “essentially Christian” and “entirely harmonious with … known scientific facts”.[62] Although Sadler had left the Adventist church by the time The Urantia Book was published, its teachings are broadly consistent with some aspects of Adventist theology, such as soul sleep and annihilationism.[63] Journalist Brook Wilensky-Lanford argues in her 2011 profile of the Urantia movement that Sadler's departure from the Adventist church gave him the desire to build a new religious movement, citing the emphasis that Sadler placed on the discussion of the Garden of Eden in The Urantia Book as evidence of his desire to start anew.[64] Sadler hoped that the content of the revelation would convince people of its worth, and did not attempt to win supporters by emphasizing its author.[65] Wilensky-Lanford argues that Sadler attempted to avoid placing an individual at the center of his beliefs owing to his disappointment in Ellen White;[66] however, Gardner believes that Sadler placed his faith in Wilfred Kellogg as he had in White.[67]

[Spock]

Bodhitharta, maybe you should start a history thread on the UB movement if you are trying to educate people about the book that you have not read.

I've been studying the UB for 28 years as well as it's history and the books written about the UB including the deist, Martin Gardner's book, “Urantia, The Great Cult Mystery”. I know Matthew Block and his work as well as many others in the UB field.

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