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The Wisdom of the Wise will Vanish. Isaiah 29:14, 1 Cor. 1:19-21
That this prophecy is true today, is proved by the almost total lack of understanding of God’s plans for our future by Christians and by the proliferation of theories, ideas and pure fiction about end times events. Also, as is prophesied in Isaiah 29:9, those who believe false teachings will become locked into them and be unable to discern or comprehend the truth of what will happen. 2 Thess. 2:11
The Lord says: I frustrate false prophets and make fools of diviners. I reverse what wise men say and make nonsense of their wisdom. Isaiah 44:25, Romans 1:22
Jesus says: I thank You Father for hiding these truths from the learned and wise and revealing them to the simple. Matthew 11:25-26, 1 John 4:4-5
Daniel is told: Keep these words secret and seal them up until the time of the end…only a few wise leaders will understand. Jeremiah 23:20
From the above Bible quotes, we see that there are two types of ‘wise’ people. Those who promote theories, ideas and doctrines that are not fully supported by scripture and those few who search all the prophesies and discern the truth of the end time events.
Here are some of the theories, ideas and fanciful notions that abound today:
1/ The Return of Jesus is the next event. This is totally refuted by 2 Thess. 2:1-4
2/ The wrath of God all happens at the Return. To move the Sixth Seal – stated to be the wrath of God and the Lamb, means shuffling the given sequence of Revelation. The Wrath of God, the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, His coming IN the clouds, Psalm 18:7-15, Hab. 3:4 is described quite differently and happens years before the Return ON the clouds. Matthew 24:30, Rev 19:11
3/ The ‘rapture’. A removal of Christians to heaven before the Day of Wrath. Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that at any time, alive or dead, will any humans go to live in heaven. John 3:13 We are earth creatures and as believers in God and Jesus, we have work to do on earth, our destiny is to be ‘a light to the nations’. Isaiah 42:6
4/ The Jews are Gods chosen people. To say this not only abrogates the redemptive work of Jesus for all mankind, but also ignores God’s promises to the Patriarchs and His plan for all the Israelites, whom He watches and cares for. Jer. 16:17, Amos 9:9
5/ There will be a World War 3. Or an economic meltdown, or some other man caused problem will trigger the end time events. It is prophesied over 70 times that the Lord will send a judgement/punishment of fire to destroy His enemies. Matthew 3:12
6/ Preterism. The belief that all the prophesies are fulfilled or abrogated by Christ. They deny the historical facts, refute Nahum 1:1 and all the yet to be fulfilled prophesies. Psalm 110:5-6, Matthew 3:12, Revelation 1:1
7/ Revival must come first. Actually this is correct, but that revival will be instigated by the 144,000, Rev 14:1-7. They will go out from New Israel in pairs, as the precedent in Luke 10.
8/ The lack of teaching on the Prophetic Word. Preachers shy away from any mention of prophecy and judgement, so the people have no real knowledge of end time events.
9/ The need to avoid the ‘mark of the beast’. Rev 13:16-17 But Rev. 7 tells us God’s servants are marked with ‘the seal of God’. God’s people, ‘from every tribe, nation and language’ are gathered in the holy Land, the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5
10/ Apathy. The sheer carelessness and laziness of not attempting or trying to understand what a large proportion of the Bible is informing us. Deut. 32:28-29, 2 Peter 1:19
For now, as we are in the Church age, Ezekiel 14:1-10 applies. This passage says if the Israelites, that is: the Lord’s people, ‘set their hearts on sinful things, then the Lord will give to them the beliefs they desire’. So anyone who wishes to avoid God’s wrath by ‘going to heaven’, or want to think nothing much is yet to happen, then the Lord will allow them to believe that and it will make an understanding of the truth difficult for them. Jeremiah 6:10
Hi Keras.
I agree with some.
In other words the land is desolate.
As concerning the prophesies and gospels, the Christian world is still a babe.
However concerning the second coming we have still much to discus.
The first trumpet will sound just after the sealing of the 144000.rev8:7.
Then will be followed by trumpet 2.3.4.5.6.The 7th is the coming.
When the 1st trumpet sounds the temple of God is closed; it will open again at the 7th trumpet,
Because this is the meeting of the Lord in the air. The resurrection of the majority.
This is the meeting in the air of the 2nd fruits.
The first fruits will be with the Lord at the coming, rev. 14.Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.
wakeup
Hi Keras,
Should we all build shelters as you have done?
Do you not believe some will meet the Lord in the air?
Nick.
The first fruits and the second fruits is the first resurrection.
The majority must go through tribulation first, but not the first fruits, they are coming with the Lord.rev.14.wakeup
It seems that Wakeup IS a fruit! Please try to post something coherent and we can seriously discuss it.
Nick, the Lord tells us to get into shelter during the one Day of heat, storms and earthquakes. Isaiah 26:20-21
I am not sure about 1 Thess 4:15-17. It may be the Lord’s people going to the marriage supper of the Lamb. It may be just spiritual. But what it is NOT, is a rapture to heaven.
Hi Keras,
A fruit?
Yes those of the first resurrection with meet the Lord in the air.
Their home was never heaven
7/ Revival must come first. Actually this is correct, but that revival will be instigated by the 144,000, Rev 14:1-7. They will go out from New Israel in pairs, as the precedent in Luke 10.
Hello Keras
Revival comes first? before what? Before the coming?
Christ is coming with his 144,000.
The scriptures you are pointing out does not say anything about a revival, except they, the first fruits are with Christ.
There will be no revival before the coming, but a falling away.2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Desolations are determined. Nothing about a revival.
Continue……
Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.Revelation 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
Revelation 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Revelation 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
Where is the revival? Where does it say in pairs?
Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Revelation 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
The angel is not preaching the everlasting gospel right before the coming.
You have missed out on the cut-off period. The sealing of the 144K. Then the wrath starts, beginning with the first trumpet, and ending with the 7th, which is the coming when Babylon is destroyed in one hour. Finished.….And Luke 10 a precedent? Jesus was speaking to his apostles. They were the ones who spread his gospel. What am I missing? There’s a few things mentioned in Luke 10.
hi
it is amazing how much people add to scriptures ,and how much they know ,for Jesus already came in 70 AD this was his fulfillment of his prophecy, so by its fulfillment he came on the clouds ,(invisible) but present in actions ,
and at that time all those that are his from the 144k have been resurrected , later more came to join them but are resurrected as they died out ,
if you only could let the spirit of truth speak to you it would not lie ,
Journey 42, where does the Bible say Christ will Return with the 144,000? It does say they are followers of Christ, Rev 14:4, but that is in the same way as any Christian. No; they are on earth, along with the ‘vast multitude, of Rev 7:9 and they go out to proclaim the coming Kingdom. What is their purpose otherwise?
Be aware that our task is to prepare the world for the Return and to be the people who will greet Jesus with the shout ‘Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord’.
Sure there will be ‘desolations’. The first one will be the Sixth Seal, the reset of civilization of a similar magnitude as ‘in the days of Noah’. Then, later the Great Tribulation, but righteous Israel will be taken to a place of safety. Rev 12
Terraricca, your ‘God given view and understanding’, is a prime example of how God has given you the ‘beliefs that you desire’.
keras
Terraricca, your ‘God given view and understanding’, is a prime example of how God has given you the ‘beliefs that you desire’.
i try to understand this but if i am got the right understanding then i should ask my self about you this ;
Be aware that our task is to prepare the world for the Return and to be the people who will greet Jesus with the shout ‘Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord’.
Sure there will be ‘desolations’. The first one will be the Sixth Seal, the reset of civilization of a similar magnitude as ‘in the days of Noah’. Then, later the Great Tribulation, but righteous Israel will be taken to a place of safety. Rev 12
where is that written in scriptures ;for this is your personal interpretation as God give you the “BELIEVE YOU WISH AND DESIRE TO SEE ”
AS FAR AS i CAN UNDERSTAND rEVELATION IS THE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WAS ALREADY PASSED AT THE TIME THAT JOHN WROTE rEVELATION ,
Jesus told his disciples most of what his written in that chap 12 of Revelation ;
and
Rev 7:9 After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.
Rev 7:10 And they cried out in a loud voice:
“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”Rev 7:14 I answered, “Sir, you know.”
And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:15 Therefore,
“they are before the throne of God
and serve him day and night in his temple;
and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them.
Rev 7:16 Never again will they hunger;
never again will they thirst.
The sun will not beat upon them,
nor any scorching heat.Rev 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.
Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Rev 22:14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
Rev 22:16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”so what we waiting for is the final judgement for our reward
all others may see God’s wrath ;
and the scriptures do not say that there will be one time one event tribulation ;this is a lie that many like to preach but is not true ,specifically because it will be like the time of Noah ;Noah did not had tribulation but all others received the wrath of God ; unless you preach tribulation and wrath of God are one and same thing ? if so you are more lost than I thought you were,
and about you connection to Israel of today no scriptures connect today Israel with anything ;i know all religion groups do say so ;but it is in their own mind not in scriptures ;i defy you to prove this to me , without calling extent OT scriptures that would contradict the teachings of Christ and his disciples,
I do accept the prophecy about 70 AD ;but this is the end of Israel ;on earth ;
Journey 42, where does the Bible say Christ will Return with the 144,000? It does say they are followers of Christ, Rev 14:4, but that is in the same way as any Christian. No; they are on earth, along with the ‘vast multitude, of Rev 7:9 and they go out to proclaim the coming Kingdom. What is their purpose otherwise?
Keras
You are seeing the 144K as just mere men chosen to bring on a revival. You do not state when, before Christ returns, or after?
But I have talked with you before about this, and I do know you preach that these 144K will lead Israel back to God before the coming, and they will have their little kingdom area, living in peace and protected before Babylon gets destroyed.The scriptures you gave to support your unclear short explanation does not match what you say.
The 144,000 get sealed just before the 7 trumpets blow. In other words, just before the wrath starts. The wrath is not happening only in “one day” but in a sequence of events to torment and punish babylon for a few years, …leading up to the big day, when Christ finishes her off in one hour at the last trump. This punishment on the world is for receiving the Mark of the Beast, and for them choosing to refuse the lamb of God which was sent. They chose to give their allegiance not to God. Now they will suffer loss.
The wrath is on the whole ungodly world, no matter where you live, but the war is in Israel. This land you say that is at peace will be utterly destroyed according to the prophets. Israel who you say will be given mercy before the coming, will in fact be given punishment, because the spirit of antichrist started with them, and their modern day scribes and pharisees, and leaders have had their hand in corrupting the Word of God concerning Christ until now, and spreading this contamination as truth within the christian community. Ie – producing new translations taking away Christ’s authority and name, and watering down the Word of God. Satan has sent a flood after “the woman” (The doctrine of God) and used them to lead (The high ones) They produced their own “experts” in translating the scriptures, did they not? And the world accepted whatever they said, no questions asked.Now The 144K are only getting sealed in Rev Chapter 7. They are not getting taken up, just marked by God. They will be spared during the tribulation because they followed the Lamb wheresoever he went. They were found “faithful” at the time of their “visitation” which is not the 2nd coming, but were “selected” beforehand (for a purpose)
In Rev chapter 14, we are not shown the saints being “sealed” but are shown now that these “sealed saints” are now “resurrected”. And only them are standing on Mt Zion (not on the earth) but in God’s heavenly domain with Christ, in the kingdom of God. There are no other saints with them just yet. They are the first-fruits, and the first fruits get taken up first. (common sense)
…Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders, and no man could learn that song but the one hundred and forty four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
So now you can see they are resurrected just by this verse alone. And that song they knew is “the true doctrine of God” because the Lamb fed them. They followed the Lamb where-ever he went.
Their purpose, is a true testimony whilst they were on the earth, that they believed in and trusted that the Lamb was sent by God to deliver God’s doctrine, and they were taught that true doctrine, according to the things Jesus promised to those would feed on his flesh and drink his blood.
They are the true saints of the “last days” who stood the test of times, in the most evil of days, and overcame. They are witnesses of the truth, the whole truth and were given the “spirit of prophecy” which is the testimony of Jesus, so they can proclaim before the event and warn the brethren according to what’s written in the scriptures. If the brethren would only hear them, they would be included in that number also, but because of the great deception, they will be treated as vile, and because the christian world lack so much knowledge, they cannot tell the truth from a lie. Therefore their reward is great, for the holy spirit bears witness of them.
Jeremiah 25:29 For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.
wakeup
Thanks for your posts, Journey42 and Terraricca. As we are so far apart in our beliefs, it is pointless for me to refute you. Obviously you don’t agree with each other either!
The best I can suggest is to read the Prophetic Word as I have put it out in short articles on my free website; http://www.logostelos.info
Only as events unfold will the truth of God’s plans for us become evident and for those who have believed false teachings, that may be a shock.
hi keras
Only as events unfold will the truth of God’s plans for us become evident
this is true ,but we have also to know what events are from God as a sign if not we may follow the signs of men ,
to my understanding only signs that the spirit of truth is given are the true signs to be understood for our own salvation,for all men stands before God on his own merit ,
and so i always said to all and keep saying it ;what i received from God all can ,just grab a bible and start to read it and believe what is written if you cannot do that ,then i do not know what and who can help you ,
i do not like going on personal sites ;but if you want to follow my proposition you are welcome to show me on that one article ;it should be easy with scriptures to do so since you also have great knowledge in scriptures ,and yes me and j42 ,were never really much in line with each other ;easy to see in my quotes for the past 3 or 4 years ;j42 ,wakeup,devo are one single group believing the same things ;
i am more related to t8 in my believe than any other and also Mikeboll64 ,this is normal thinking the apostles start out in a very small group ,but it is the truth in scriptures that really separates us ,and all the churches this was so in the beginning with Jesus the Pharisees /Sadducee/the zealots/ and …..
no one can stand against the truth of God only join it ,
Keras
You are welcome.
I sincerely urge you to not be like the scribes for the scriptures are set in stone and cannot be broken.
If we are sincere in our walk, the Lamb of God will feed us. This is his promise, but we have to follow his directions exactly for this road is narrow, and not many find it. Instead of desiring to be teachers, we have to be like little children, for the spirit of God will guide us and sharpen us leaving no stone unturned. There must be no jealousy or animosity because it is God who gives spiritual knowledge to all that thirst. If we speak up, and are rebuked, we must defend this precious Word, because it holds power, and this is our testimony. If we are corrected, we must accept it graciously. It’s not all about us, or who knows more, but it’s about the truth that we bare witness to. In this case, the truth amongst the brethren.
We should all desire to be in the number of the 144K. We don’t know who is in that number yet, but to be selected means that we would of followed all the instructions exactly, doing what was expected of us. Once the sealing has taken place, the door is shut. There will be no more preaching for the world to receive the lamb , and there will be no more light shinning on them, as they will be in utter darkness. Total chaos and madness will be let loose during this time. There will be no more repenting, for the spirit of God has departed from them as a light, and the world will be given over to the one they make their allegiance to. God will send his two prophets, Moses and Elijah, and they will witness against Israel and the world. They will not come to send peace but to bring fire, plagues and stop the rain. They will not be a light, but a living nightmare to all those who refused the Lamb. No-where does it say that Israel will repent, but in the end, only at the coming, will God have mercy on them and stop that war, or else they and no flesh would be saved (survive). They will only realise when it’s too late, and God’s spirit will not draw them until all is fulfilled. Then he will pour out his mercy on them. The lamb will lead them to living fountains of water and teach them the true doctrine they rejected.
Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Revelation 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
Revelation 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
Revelation 16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds
j42
PR 21:28 A false witness will perish,
But the man who listens to the truth will speak forever.
JN 5:33 “You have sent to John, and he has testified to the truth.
JN 18:37 Therefore Pilate said to Him, “So You are a king?” Jesus answered, “ You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”
1PE 1:22 Since you have in obedience to the truth purified your souls for a sincere love of the brethren, fervently love one another from the heart,If we are sincere in our walk, the Lamb of God will feed us.
according to the scriptures above your comment is not true ;
Ro 10:2 For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge.
Ro 10:3 Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousnessGod will send his two prophets, Moses and Elijah, and they will witness against Israel and the world.
both have already come ; Moses = Jesus ;the prophet like him that God will send ;
MK 9:11 They asked Him, saying, “Why is it that the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”
MK 9:13 “But I say to you that Elijah has indeed come, and they did to him whatever they wished, just as it is written of him.”Mt 11:13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.
Mt 11:14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.
Mt 11:15 He who has ears, let him hear.which one is speaking the truth you or the scriptures ?
j42
PR 21:28 A false witness will perish,
But the man who listens to the truth will speak forever.
JN 5:33 “You have sent to John, and he has testified to the truth.
JN 18:37 Therefore Pilate said to Him, “So You are a king?” Jesus answered, “ You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”
1PE 1:22 Since you have in obedience to the truth purified your souls for a sincere love of the brethren, fervently love one another from the heart,Pierre,
You have given a good jambayla of scriptures all thrown in there for what purpose? You still have not shown us anything?
this one in John is good, it tells us something;John 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
John 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
John 5:41 I receive not honour from men.
Piere,
The scriptures testify of the doctrine Christ delivered. If we have accepted this doctrine Christ gave, then we have accepted Christ. Simple as that. John only testified that Christ was the Messiah which was prophesied to come in the OT. John did not know all the details of this doctrine Christ was about to deliver, as John died under the law. John only knew and testified that Jesus Christ was the one. This he proclaimed and knew Christ’s power.
Now can you, full of truth, perfect in all wisdom and understanding, and able to declare who belongs in the kingdom and who does not, tell me what this means?
Matthew 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
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