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As a point of interest the city Eridu is one of several post flood cities according to the religion of Sumeria. Archaeologist have discovered it and done digs there. It is considered the first city of the world and is of the Ubaid period which is said to have started in 6500 B.C.
I pieced this together by various Wikipedia articles.
Let’s assume Eridu is Cain’s city he named after his son and therefore Enoch is the Hebrew equivalent of Eridu.
I agree that the source I used was biased, as am I, towards the truth as given in scripture. I believe scripture although mistranslated and misunderstood is still our best source to understand the truth of the world around us.
Wm
SeekingTruth,
I get tired of sites like that making claims they know are not true, instead trusting that will reveal the truth when the time is right.
Question who believe foolishness such as evolution but don’t make something up.
I get the feeling that some people choose to lie just for the excitement is causes, not even out of misguided attention.
I am not just speaking about sites like that.
I trust that you so if you have something tested and believe is true please put it forth.
Your sure that this line of thought is a lie, not even just mistaken? So you judge the intent.
I went back and watched it again but I’m not sure what you believe is the “lie” or what “facts” you’re basing it on.
What is your point of disagreement?
Wm
SeekingTruth,
I have not tested that particular site but I am tired of those that lie in the name of God and of his Son.
As I said, if you see something that you have tested then post it and support it. I can cross examine you but not them.
I may not agree with everything in a video I’ve posted, but I will certainly answer any inquiries and discuss the topic. Please be specific as to what you believe are “lies”.
WmSeekingTruth,
I have no watched it and do not intend to as I have my own line of inquiry. I am trying to trace the story to the time before Abraham and so far it seems to be paying off. The Sumerians, who were the people that lived in the area Abraham came from. Assuming he is a Semite as his descendants now are he was not one of them though they were later conquered by Semites. He might have been an Akkadian , as they were Semites and in the same region.
So to ignore plainly written claims such as “only eight survived” or “all creatures breathing air died” is choosing to stand on shifting sand.
No one here is denying that only eight survived a flood that covered the world. What is up for debate is the definition of the world. As we know, that can and often does mean the known world. The heads of the Beast for example conquered the world, but there is no evidence of Greek or Roman civilisation in Australia or New Zealand.
Of course even if the known world was flooded, it could still mean that it flooded too the unknown world so to speak.
Not denying anything here, just questioning definitions using the Bible’s own definitions.
Also, the point of the topic was not to discuss the flood although that is entirely relevant here, but to show that the Beasts ruled the world which was the area around the Great Sea, (Mediterranean), and not the whole planet. Thus, what evidence is there that the Beast to come is going to rule the whole planet.
I found this scripture and it seems to point to a planet wide flood IMO.
2 Peter 3:5-7
For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.…Surely the Middle East is not made from water alone. Further, the day of judgement is accompanied by not only the whole Earth, but the Heavens. Slightly bigger than the ancient known world. It says elsewhere that the world was destroyed once by water then by fire putting each on par perhaps.
@t8,
As I stated earlier, when the Scriptures state “the whole world” it need not necessarily include all countries in the whole world, but only the known world.
I was only responding to your opening example that the flood was only “a regional flood” and was providing scriptures I felt in this case to support the whole world.
I’m just very concerned if we’re challenging rather clear scriptures, because it doesn’t take very long before everyone’s just left doing what’s right in their own eyes (left with no foundation for truth).
My opinion – Wm
@t8,
I believe the Middle East and most other land areas were “formed” out of the water at creation.
Genisis 1:9 Then God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered together so that the dry land will appear.” And it happened.10 God named the dry land “earth,” and he named the water that was gathered together “seas.”
Your sure that this line of thought is a lie, basically inferring both the video makers and myself are liars! Yet you have not even watched it! Not very Christ like.
Wm
SeekingTruth,
Unless I made an error I did not say either the site or you were liars. You could say I implied it as I was saying sites of the same type lied. It was not my intention. I said I trust you.
I apologize, I took your statement of “obviously false claims” to something I had stated close alignment with, combined with your other references, I had not intended to put words in your mouth so sorry that I added to what you meant.
Wm
Thank you
@t8,
You said “If the whole earth can mean the known world of the time, then it could possibly mean all flesh in that area. And if God told Noah to take “EVERY” LIVING THING OF “ALL” FLESH” into the ark as you say, then did he come to New Zealand?”
But scriptures tell us in Genesis 6:20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.
He did not have to go looking for them where they were, but they came after him.
Wm
Hi seekingtruth.
Yes he made the animals come to him. But every species alive today as well as extinct species? Probably not IMO. But it certainly says every kind which is different. That could be one pair of cats instead of all the species of cats. Variation followed from them perhaps. We see for example many races of human, even though they came from a single pair. Yes I know that races are not different species. But if a species can produce another species while remaining in their kind, then that would be allowed or disallowed by the DNA code. In other words that is God’s prerogative.
As far as all flesh and every kind goes, that doesn’t on its own merit mean planet wide. It just means all flesh or kinds in the area that is being defined as the whole earth. Context is everything here and of course I am not telling you what the context is, but the possibilities is all.
Genesis 7:19
And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.Genesis 13:9
Is not the whole land before thee? separate thyself, I pray thee, from me: if thou wilt take the left hand, then I will go to the right; or if thou depart to the right hand, then I will go to the left.Genesis 13:17
Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it unto thee.These scriptures all use the same Hebrew word for land and earth. Its obvious by the text that while Abraham did walk the entire earth according to the text, he did not leave any footsteps in New Zealand or walk around the whole planet. Likewise while the flood did cover the entire earth it may not have covered the entire planet. There are other instances of the phrase “whole earth” predominantly being used in reference to the known earth rather than the entire planet in scripture.
In short while the word literally says “whole earth” concerning Noah, we are allowed to question what the context of ‘whole earth’ is being referenced.
However, while the whole earth may or may not mean whole planet, Genesis 7:19 does also say: “that were under the whole heaven“. Does that mean the whole Heaven visible to the known world or the whole Heaven meaning the universe. Back to square one. But that is not really a concern for me. There are many events in the Bible that have scant detail or multiple interpretations and I personally believe if we fill in the gaps ourselves, then we open ourselves up to possible error.
The point of the Bible is not to give us a book of science or minute historical detail, it is about God’s redemption of man and the events that surround this plan are given to show his plan. So just as the Pharisees were critical on the detail of the Law, yet ignored the spirit of the Law, likewise we may be critical of the detail of scripture (which is okay), but as long as we consider the more weightier matter of the spirit of what is happening and why. It is possible that one day we will know all the detail, but for now, that is not priority.
I believe that too many Christian teachers have made statements that are derived from personal opinion. Then they spend way too much time defending these personal interpretations. I think if more people just admitted there really are a number of possible interpretations, then we could focus more on the message and not force ourselves into a corner where we end up fighting to get out of.
This is not pointed at you Seekingtuth. Absolutely not. Just making a general statement pertaining to all believers.
A perfect example that I am talking about are those that say the Earth is 6000 years old. It is unnecessary and it only makes many people doubt the Bible. Yet the Bible does not actually say anywhere that the Earth is 6000 years old. We should be more focussed on the message IMO. God created the Heavens and the Earth in the beginning. Then the Earth was formless and void. How long was the gap between the creation of the Earth that would have been good and the formless and void stage? We just don’t know do we. Scripture does talk of many ages to come as well as many ages beforehand.
Jude 1:25
to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.I found this interesting article and may give it a full read when I have some time. It basically says that the Bible doesn’t not fix the age of the earth, so we shouldn’t do that ourselves.
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