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Hi,
The Wedding feast of the Lamb is spoken of in Revelation 19.9 but is also very frequently mentioned in the gospels.It is presented in literal form but also used in parable form.
Jesus says he will sit us down and serve us, those who think too highly of themselves will be given a lower place, people will be brought in from the highways and byways[?gentiles].
Abraham and Moses will be seated there etc.
I would like to understand more about it as to when it occurs etc. Is it at the Rapture\First resurrection? Or is it when the new Jerusalem comes down from heaven in Rev 21.2?
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Matt 8.11
” And I say to you that many will come from east and west and RECLINE AT TABLE with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven, but the sons of the kingdom shall be cast out into the outer darkness;in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth”So this seems to describe the wedding feast. There are the Men of Old but those who should have inherited the kingdom[The Jews], the chosen people, able to see the feast but consigned to Tartaroo because they failed to grasp salvation in Jesus, the completer and finisher of the Law of faith.
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Rev 3.20
” Behold I stand at the door and knock;if anyone hears my voice and opens the door I will come in to him, AND WILL DINE WITH HIM, AND HE WITH ME”Well Nick, I have not studied this indepth so I have more questions than answers.
I plan to be studying at a later date, who the Wife and Husband in OT are: appears to be Israel and God.Also in the NT, the Groom and Bride represent the Church.
John the baptist is the Bridegroom.
So who are the Bridesmaids?
Any ideas? I do take the admonishing to heart, to have our lamps ready with oil in them for the coming of the groom, but I don't know who they are if the Church is the bride.Hi Cubes,
Good point about John being the bridegroom's attendant. Those who have become one with Christ and received the Spirit but are not still filled with the Spirit[oil] will not be taken?The scary part is that this applies to the Church but half will be left behind!Hi,
I would like to understand more about the wedding feast as it seems a central teaching in the NT.Hi,
Are those called to the wedding feast the 144,000 of Revelation?The only group not there by choice would seem to be those who were forced to come from the highways and byways, the poor and disenfranchised.
I read this topic and went to bed puzzled. I've always wondered with the 10 virgins what the oil and lamps were (seemed awfull important to me). If they were just the Holy Spirit then why could it not be shared and how would it be dimminished by sharing.
As I prayed I believe the Lord showed me that the oil and the lamps are revelations of God from the Spirit. At the time of the end I believe that God will send out notification and an understanding to all true christians of the importance of seeking God (who is found through revelations of God from the Holy Spirit, who is our source for our lamps). then those who are foolish and only sought God as little more then fire insurance will desire of the wise to share their revelations but if we do so we risk not being prepared after our sleep as it seems there is required a setting in order (trimming of the wicks) for us to be fully prepared.
This would also seem to fit in with the next parable if the talents referred to are our revelations from the Holy Spirit then that same person who only took out fire insurance will have done nothing with his basic revelation and will have to suffer through tribulation, where as those who have risked their standing in the christian community by seeking truths beyond what was given (as they seem to always fly in the face of accepted doctrine) they will be aply rewarded.
Hence Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.Well it is 6:00 in the morning and I have to go to work in a few hours so I better get to bed. Sorry for the poor presentation but I felt I needed to write this down asap. I'm sure I'll probably cringe tomorrow when I read this! (it also does not help that google spell check is not working for some reason)
When I wrote the above I believed it was from the Lord. The next day I started to wonder about it since I've never heard it being interpreted that way, was it God or not. Then I was reading this morning about when Jesus asked who do you say I am?
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
It seemed that the Lord was showing me that “this rock” wasn't Peter (as some teach) or even Jesus (which is what I always believed) but it was upon the “revelation of Jesus” that the Church will be built. This is how we are saved when we receive OUR revelation.
I'm looking for others thoughts, it seems to fit scripture but at least for me it is a departure from what I've always believed.
Quote (seekingtruth @ April 24 2006,10:56) I read this topic and went to bed puzzled. I've always wondered with the 10 virgins what the oil and lamps were (seemed awfull important to me). If they were just the Holy Spirit then why could it not be shared and how would it be dimminished by sharing. As I prayed I believe the Lord showed me that the oil and the lamps are revelations of God from the Spirit. At the time of the end I believe that God will send out notification and an understanding to all true christians of the importance of seeking God (who is found through revelations of God from the Holy Spirit, who is our source for our lamps). then those who are foolish and only sought God as little more then fire insurance will desire of the wise to share their revelations but if we do so we risk not being prepared after our sleep as it seems there is required a setting in order (trimming of the wicks) for us to be fully prepared.
This would also seem to fit in with the next parable if the talents referred to are our revelations from the Holy Spirit then that same person who only took out fire insurance will have done nothing with his basic revelation and will have to suffer through tribulation, where as those who have risked their standing in the christian community by seeking truths beyond what was given (as they seem to always fly in the face of accepted doctrine) they will be aply rewarded.
Hence Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.Well it is 6:00 in the morning and I have to go to work in a few hours so I better get to bed. Sorry for the poor presentation but I felt I needed to write this down asap. I'm sure I'll probably cringe tomorrow when I read this! (it also does not help that google spell check is not working for some reason)
Here are some thoughts on this parable.Quote
Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
This is a parable about the kingdom of heaven that uses the analogy of ten virgins.
A virgin is a woman who has not been defiled by a man. Often in the bible a woman is used to symbolize a church or group of believers – Paul told the Corinthians he had espoused (promised in marriage) them to Christ as a chaste virgin (undefiled by man).
So this speaks of believers who are not defiled by the teachings and doctrines of man-made religion, who have not married their minds to the kingdoms of men.
These virgins are all carrying oil lamps, so are no doubt in expectation of needing to use them to be able to see with. (Amos 5:20)Quote
And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
However five of these virgins were said to be foolish (slow – tardy) and neglected to truly consider the implication of having the lamps with them. They must have thought that although they carried them they would not have need of using them, as they did not bring any oil.Quote
While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Because there was a delay in the expected arrival of the bridegroom they all fell asleep, which shows us that at the time of the bridegrooms arrival, none were awake and watching for it, it required therefore the announcement from a watchman – someone who was awake and saw the approaching bridegroom.Quote
And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
At the zero out the declaration was made behold the bridegroom, come out to see him.
Indicating that at the time the bridegroom is announced there is a need to come out in order to see him, come out of what? Darkness and into light. Think about it if it was not so then the foolish could simply have followed the wise, using the light of their lamps to enter in.Quote
Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
We notice that all of the virgins attempted to trim their lamps and it was not until this time that the foolish noticed, in the attempt to trim their lamps that their light was – in fact – darkness – had gone out. (Luk 11:35)
So all had embarked upon the journey believing that they had light in their lamps sufficient to meet the bridegroom. However five of them had light that ran out how can this be, did they have the Holy Spirit baptism yet lose it? Or did they merely have the promise of it and fail to secure it (Heb 4:1) For the other five this was not a problem, why? Because they were sealed unto the day of their redemption? (Gal 4:30) We can only surmise as to the reasons.
Now at this announcement the wise virgins were found prepared to meet him, they trimmed their lamps ready to enter in.
So the foolish then ask the wise for some of their oil and are refused, they are told to go and buy it from those who sell it.
Now this is the most puzzling part of this parable, which I don't completely understand as to the response of the wise, for when they say not so – we cannot give you our oil or there will not be enough for us also, it doesn't seem to make sense.
Let us look at what the oil represents firstly – oil consistently represents the anointing of the Holy Spirit throughout the bible. The symbols used in the bible are consistent in their usage in most instances as far as I am aware, so we will assume the oil here represents the holy spirit.
We are then reminded of Jesus words to us – you are the light of the world … let your light so shine before men. So we have some apparent contradictions if the oil does represent the Holy Spirit. Firstly it is not something you buy – it is a free gift of God to those who believe and are baptized. Secondly the concept of running out of oil is not consistent with all that is said of the Holy Spirit baptism, we never see any mention of rationing or a possible short fall of supply. It becomes – we are told – a self sustaining artesian well of life bubbling up from the soul of the redeemed. So how do we reconcile these statements then?Quote
not so – lest there be not enough for us and you
This is not talking about an issue of quantity or abundance of supply, I believe it speaks to the inability to give to someone this oil. For although we receive it as a gift from God, yet not on
e of us is able to give this to someone else, God only can do that.
So even in the request of the foolish virgins to 'give us of your oil', their foolishness is revealed.
So the answer: no – in case we have not any if we give it to you – we lose it, and you cannot gain it. Why? Because the Holy Spirit is not something that man can give, and if anyone claims to have the Holy Spirit and to be able to give it to others, they are lying, they are perhaps anointed with the Holy Spirit on the outside to do many great signs and wonders, to heal the sick, speak in tongues … so that outwardly they appear as the elect, yet inwardly they are full of corruption, claiming to be able to save their followers. That is exactly what human religion is all about. Using God's freely given resources to gain converts to themselves and promising them salvation based upon false premises.
Also consider the announcement that has just been made – it is time now to enter in – the time for the preaching of the gospel is over for these wise virgins – so there is no possibility of even helping them to receive oil in this fashion.Quote
but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
This response is equally as puzzling, 'go instead to those who claim to be able to sell it and buy it for yourselves'… The question that immediately springs to my mind when reading this is:
'Is there really a possibility that these foolish virgins will be able to obtain anything worthwhile in this fashion?'
I don't believe so, for the only way they had any real possibility of gaining what they lacked would have been to have heard the gospel preached in truth, not to hear the words of some man made ministry that claims to be able to sell you salvation, by obedience to the tenets of their church.
But the foolish being (I suppose) foolish go anyway, proof perhaps that they still didn't get it – still didn't know that Christ alone has the words of eternal life.Quote
And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
So while the foolish set about to get the experience that could save them, looking in all the wrong places for it, the bridegroom came, and the wise gained an admission into the wedding supper. And the door of opportunity to enter in was shut up to all else.Quote
Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
So here come the foolish virgin now making their attempt to enter in, and it is too late to do so! They come saying Lord, Lord… sound familiar? So even though they are virgins yet, still their fate is to come with the many who claim to be saved but in fact are the workers of iniquity. The question as to whether they now have oil is irrelevant, the door is shut, they are refused an entrance into the wedding supper. Their only hope now is to be saved as by fire, they are not saved however from the great time trouble that is coming upon the face of the earth.Quote
Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Jesus concludes this lesson with this statement. Watch therefore, be alert, be attentive to hear the cry of the watchman that announces the arrival of the bridegroom. Be ready, be prepared, make sure you have oil in you lamps, make your calling and election sure, work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Why? Because we do not know the day the Son of Man will appear, and neither do we know the hour the Son of Man will appear.Quote (seekingtruth @ May 12 2006,14:29) When I wrote the above I believed it was from the Lord. The next day I started to wonder about it since I've never heard it being interpreted that way, was it God or not. Then I was reading this morning about when Jesus asked who do you say I am? And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
It seemed that the Lord was showing me that “this rock” wasn't Peter (as some teach) or even Jesus (which is what I always believed) but it was upon the “revelation of Jesus” that the Church will be built. This is how we are saved when we receive OUR revelation.
I'm looking for others thoughts, it seems to fit scripture but at least for me it is a departure from what I've always believed.
You are definately on the right track here ST, it was a revelation of who Christ is that God builds His Church upon. Have a close look at Heb 11 and you will see that this 'faith' spoken of here is the same, a revelation of God, also it speaks of the faith once delivered to the saints – revelation – which is the means by which the Grace of God is received through faith – not of ourselves but the gift of God. Jesus poses the question shall the Son of Man find faith when he returns. Will there be any who know who Christ is? Yes! for He will restore the faith of the fathers to the children so that we may see the Grace of God.Hi Malcolm,
Thank you. That was excellent.Some thoughts.
There were ten virgins chosen,[out of how many] but only 5 found the oil in time.
All were waiting for the bridegroom with lamps [the word is a lamp to my feet]so all were believers.
Some expected to be able to use the Lamp[the Word] without the necessary oil [The Spirit].
All were asleep and unaware of the time of the return of the Groom.
Only those who have both the lamp and the oil will be able to see the return of the Groom in the darkness of the world.Hi,
Is 25.6
“And the Lord of Hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain; a banquet of aged wine, choice pieces with marrow, and refined aged wine. And on this mountain He will swallow up the covering which is over all peoples, even the veil which is stretched over all nations. He will swallow up death for all time, And the Lord God will wipe tears from all faces, and He will remove the reproach of His people from all the earth”Hi Mercy,
The wedding guests do not all turn up and their places have to be filled from the highways and byways.Hi,
SS has posted these verses in another thread.
“Mat 22:9 Go ye therefore into the highways; and AS MANY AS YOU SHALL FIND, CALL TO THE MARRIAGE.
Mat 22:10 And HIS SERVANTS GOING FORTH INTO THE WAYS, gathered together all that they found, BOTH BAD AND GOOD: and the marriage was filled with guests.
Mat 22:11 And the king went in to see the guests: AND HE SAW THERE A MAN WHO HAD NOT ON A WEDDING GARMENT.
Mat 22:12 And he saith to him: Friend, HOW CAMEST THOU IN HITHER NOT HAVING ON A WEDDING GARMENT? BUT HE WAS SILENT.
Mat 22:13 Then the king said to the waiters: BIND HIS HANDS AND FEET, AND CAST HIM INTO THE EXTERIOR DARKNESS. THERE SHALL BE WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH.
Mat 22:14 FOR MANY ARE CALLED, BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN.”So in scripture clothing is a type of holiness, the righteousness of Christ. We must keep our garments clean by seeking forgiveness. Angels of God are often shown dressed in white linen.
Gal 2
” 27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.”
Rev 3
“Revelation 3:4
Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.”
Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Revelation 3:18
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Revelation 6:11
And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Revelation 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Revelation 7:13
And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Revelation 7:14
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation 19:8
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.Hi,
So it fits that those who are at the feast but have not gone through the door of Jesus by being reborn into him of water and the Spirit will not be clothed in Christ through baptism but will still be dressed in the rags of their own rightousness.Jn 10
” 1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
6This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture”
Hi,
Perhaps too is the feast is after the first resurrection the garment will be over the imperishable new heavenly body.
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