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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 21 2008,08:30) Hi MRS,
You say
“Jesus in his spirit body does not look anything like his flesh body that is why all paintings and portraits of him are wrong; including the shroud of Turin. Had God allowed an image of his son to appear on that shroud; He would have violated his own second commandment. The fact that Jesus rose from the dead is our hope, because he has the keys to unlock the doors to our graves,”The body of Jesus seen by the apostles was the same battered torn one.
Why did people have a hard time recognizing Jesus?I am not disagreeing Nick, just wondering out loud here.
Hi MRS,
You say
“All will be required to repent and ask for forgiveness, there may be those that have done such evil deeds that they can’t or want repent, nor ask for forgiveness; their fait is sealed. The resurrection of the dead will occur during the thousand-year reign of Christ, the Millennium. God designed this period so that all mankind would have the opportunity to learn the truth. It will be the time when Christ will judge the world. But judgment does not come before a trial.”
Is this written?
What is written is that there are two resurrections and only the sons of God will be raised in the first while 1000 years later all others will awake.rev 20
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Nick The Apostles did not even recknized him at first, until He broke bread. His Body now is a glorified Body. It does not at all look like any Portrait that I have seen. The shroud is a fake I belief.
Peace and Love Mrs.
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 21 2008,08:32) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 21 2008,08:30) Hi MRS,
You say
“Jesus in his spirit body does not look anything like his flesh body that is why all paintings and portraits of him are wrong; including the shroud of Turin. Had God allowed an image of his son to appear on that shroud; He would have violated his own second commandment. The fact that Jesus rose from the dead is our hope, because he has the keys to unlock the doors to our graves,”The body of Jesus seen by the apostles was the same battered torn one.
Why did people have a hard time recognizing Jesus?I am not disagreeing Nick, just wondering out loud here.
Hi SOL,
I expect because it confounded their expectations.
They were able to touch the wounds of his flesh and bones body.
But when he reached heaven he was dressed in an imperishable body, in the livery of the King[Dan7]I have a slightly different take on this. I hope you don't mind my input.
As in the spiritual, so it was in the natural. Jesus was, and is, able to make Himself seen or not. Let me explain.
In Scripture there were times when Jesus was sought after for ill purposes, yet He was able to escape the crowds without incident. However, when His time had come, the Pharisees had no difficulty finding Him, although He was betrayed with a kiss. Still, He made no attempt to hide. I believe that Jesus was able to reveal Himself, or not, on the flesh in a similar way that He does in the spirit.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 21 2008,12:58) Hi Oxy,
So he was not a man just like us.
Or can we also do these things since we follow him?
Hi Nick, yes, we can also do these things as led and empowered by the Spirit.And no, He was not a man just like us. He was/is the Son of God, which we weren't until our salvation. He was without sin, which we are stuck with until our death and resurrection.
Hi Oxy,
No forgiveness for us till then?
Why call it salvation?Acts 2
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.
2 Corinthians 5:18
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;No forgiveness?
Where did that spring from Nick? He bore our transgressions on the cross. Of course there's forgiveness!!!!Hi Oxy,
I agree he paid the price for those in him.
What does this mean?
” He was without sin, which we are stuck with until our death and resurrection.”Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 21 2008,14:12) Hi Oxy,
I agree he paid the price for those in him.
What does this mean?
” He was without sin, which we are stuck with until our death and resurrection.”
It means what it says. Christ was without sin.
Heb 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot be touched with the feelings of our infirmities, but was in all points tempted just as we are, yet without sin.But we trapped in sin, even though we have been redeemed.
Rom 7:19 For I do not do the good that I desire; but the evil which I do not will, that I do.
Rom 7:20 But if I do what I do not desire, it is no more I working it out, but sin dwelling in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law: when I will to do the right, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the Law of God according to the inward man;
Rom 7:23 but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin being in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then with the mind I myself serve the Law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.John 14:6 says, “Jesus said to him, 'I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no one comes to the father except through me.'” NIV
Hi,
Martian has offered the thoughts [unless I have misconstrued]
thatWe are all sons of God by virtue of being sons of Adam.
We all received the Spirit of God at conception
We have wandered but can repent and we are then forgivenSo no need for rebirth of water and the Spirit.
It will be a popular idea as all men think they are righteous.
The vanity of the mind does not welcome the thought of submissive obedienceQuote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 18 2008,08:32) Hi,
Martian has offered the thoughts [unless I have misconstrued]
thatWe are all sons of God by virtue of being sons of Adam.
We all received the Spirit of God at conception
We have wandered but can repent and we are then forgivenSo no need for rebirth of water and the Spirit.
It will be a popular idea as all men think they are righteous.
The vanity of the mind does not welcome the thought of submissive obedience
No that kind of teaching is not according to what Jesus taught. He said that we have to be born again and receive Gods Holy Spirit. Nobody can understand the things of God unless He has God's Holy Spirit.Peace and Love Mrs.
Hi,
The way of Jesus is demonstrated in the book of Acts.
Nothing has changed since those early times.
What was truth then still is truth.Hi,
The way of Jesus is in following him.
He never spoke of any trinity nor said all men will be saved.
But men prefer their own opinions.Hi,
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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