The virgin birth

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,12:28) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 07 2010,12:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,12:18) What is your cut off age and do you say that all past cultures that condoned such marriages are pedophile cultures? If so according to your idea of how morality is formed it would still be a very high moral act. Furthermore, could a pedophile marry someone young and stay interested in them as they aged to the point you would find acceptable, keep in mind he stayed married to Aisha until he died and he took no other brides. You lose again STU. By the way defaming people is not an adequate defense of your weak points. You have even googled me in order to think it is possible to defame me Lol..lol..lol   You will only find me ever willing to teach you the facts and convey the proper message of God. God Willing you will learn something from all of this. I think the cut off age should be 18.  No infant should have his foreskin chopped off before that age. Regarding pedophilia, I would not call mohammad raping a girl who had not reached the age of sexual awareness a 'high moral act'. Don't bother with the 'could have waited' nonsense.  He married her at six and sexually abused her at nine. Where have I defamed you? Stuart So everyone who married anyone before 18 is a pedophile? That is not what I wrote. I said the cut off age should be 18, ie ircumcision should be consensual. You're not very bright, are you BD. What does that have to do with mohammad raping a little girl? Stuart

We were not talking about circumcision but anyway what was your age of consent for marriage or sex and by the way from an evolutionary point of view or for that matter from a species point of view isn't young mating preferred to enhance the survival rate of a species?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 07 2010,13:21)

According to most of modern society, yes.

So you would say that a 21 year old man that marries an 17 year old girl is a pedophile?

By the way neither of you still seem to even know what a pedophile is and if you did you would know that a pedophile would not be interested in marrying a child as the child will age past his point of interest, but don't bother with the facts after all you do have a sickness.

[Stu]

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We were not talking about circumcision but anyway what was your age of consent for marriage or sex and by the way from an evolutionary point of view or for that matter from a species point of view isn't young mating preferred to enhance the survival rate of a species?

No.

Stuart

[Stu]

pedeophilia

(pedophile) an adult who is sexually attracted to children

a psychological disorder in which an adult experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children

Sexual attraction to a child; clinically, a person sixteen years of age or older who is at least five years older than the child

I don't think the definition matters really, does it? Whatever you call it, there is no way it should be justified. Why can you not accept that the inventor of your religion had some dodgy (in this case downright exploitative) habits by modern standards? It is the truth, after all.

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

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pedeophilia (pedophile) an adult who is sexually attracted to children a psychological disorder in which an adult experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children Sexual attraction to a child; clinically, a person sixteen years of age or older who is at least five years older than the child I don't think the definition matters really, does it?  Whatever you call it, there is no way it should be justified.  Why can you not accept that the inventor of your religion had some dodgy (in this case downright exploitative) habits by modern standards?  It is the truth, after all. Stuart

Who said he was sexually attracted to her and who would know when or even if he had sex with her ever?

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,15:24) We were not talking about circumcision but anyway what was your age of consent for marriage or sex and by the way from an evolutionary point of view or for that matter from a species point of view isn't young mating preferred to enhance the survival rate of a species? No. Stuart

Okay STU,

So is morality Absolute, YES or NO?

If it's not you are being a hypocrite and making yourself look silly arguing something you can't define as one way or the other good or bad

[Stu]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,18:45)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 07 2010,15:48) pedeophilia (pedophile) an adult who is sexually attracted to children a psychological disorder in which an adult experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children Sexual attraction to a child; clinically, a person sixteen years of age or older who is at least five years older than the child I don't think the definition matters really, does it?  Whatever you call it, there is no way it should be justified.  Why can you not accept that the inventor of your religion had some dodgy (in this case downright exploitative) habits by modern standards?  It is the truth, after all. Stuart Who said he was sexually attracted to her and who would know when or even if he had sex with her ever?

So you are suggesting mohammad married someone to whom he was not attracted?

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,18:58)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 07 2010,15:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,15:24) We were not talking about circumcision but anyway what was your age of consent for marriage or sex and by the way from an evolutionary point of view or for that matter from a species point of view isn't young mating preferred to enhance the survival rate of a species? No. Stuart Okay STU, So is morality Absolute, YES or NO? If it's not you are being a hypocrite and making yourself look silly arguing something you can't define as one way or the other good or bad

Your respondent at RD.net put it this way:

You also seem to operate under the very common delusion that simply because you can ask a particular question, that that question must have an answer. (Note the vagueness of your question and your continuous redefinition of the question to nullify answers given.)

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 07 2010,19:01)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,18:45) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 07 2010,15:48) pedeophilia (pedophile) an adult who is sexually attracted to children a psychological disorder in which an adult experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children Sexual attraction to a child; clinically, a person sixteen years of age or older who is at least five years older than the child I don't think the definition matters really, does it?  Whatever you call it, there is no way it should be justified.  Why can you not accept that the inventor of your religion had some dodgy (in this case downright exploitative) habits by modern standards?  It is the truth, after all. Stuart Who said he was sexually attracted to her and who would know when or even if he had sex with her ever? So you are suggesting mohammad married someone to whom he was not attracted? Stuart

No, I'm saying he was spiritually attracted to her. Maybe you just have a dirty mind.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 07 2010,19:04)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,18:58) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 07 2010,15:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,15:24) We were not talking about circumcision but anyway what was your age of consent for marriage or sex and by the way from an evolutionary point of view or for that matter from a species point of view isn't young mating preferred to enhance the survival rate of a species? No. Stuart Okay STU, So is morality Absolute, YES or NO? If it's not you are being a hypocrite and making yourself look silly arguing something you can't define as one way or the other good or bad Your respondent at RD.net put it this way: You also seem to operate under the very common delusion that simply because you can ask a particular question, that that question must have an answer. (Note the vagueness of your question and your continuous redefinition of the question to nullify answers given.) Stuart

In otherwords they like you could not answer so instead decided to insult the person asking the question instead of being honest about it.

You look long and hard at those post on Rd.net or any other and you will find out one thing for certain and that is I have been consistent and have not allowed those debating me get by with “good sounding information” each time they buckled and in most cases they simply banned me as often it was the Mod who was losing the debate when I was banned(Check it out for yourself)

Anyway STU,

you have the same option as they have, you can listen or just be stubborn.

These people were very ignorant and it was shown to be so, there were a few people who were really scientific and really studied the fields they spoke about but most were really not well informed nor willing to do research.

The best thing you could have done is to concede where you were obviously wrong but I realize that you have the Atheists disease and until you are cured of that or should I say if you could be cured of that disease you will progress.

[Stu]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,19:12)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 07 2010,19:01) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,18:45) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 07 2010,15:48) pedeophilia (pedophile) an adult who is sexually attracted to children a psychological disorder in which an adult experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children Sexual attraction to a child; clinically, a person sixteen years of age or older who is at least five years older than the child I don't think the definition matters really, does it?  Whatever you call it, there is no way it should be justified.  Why can you not accept that the inventor of your religion had some dodgy (in this case downright exploitative) habits by modern standards?  It is the truth, after all. Stuart Who said he was sexually attracted to her and who would know when or even if he had sex with her ever? So you are suggesting mohammad married someone to whom he was not attracted? Stuart No, I'm saying he was spiritually attracted to her. Maybe you just have a dirty mind.

In this situation your former friends at RD.net might say

No, that would just be you twisting words.

Or they might ask you:

Can't you just admit that you are wrong this time, Bodhi? Are you so blinded by your own arrogance that you just can't admit that you were mistaken on this count?

Stuart

[kejonn]

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Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 07 2010,13:21) According to most of modern society, yes. So you would say that a 21 year old man that marries an 17 year old girl is a pedophile?

Please at least do a little research before sticking your foot in your cybermouth. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

Pedophilia (or paedophilia) is a psychological disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children.[1][2][3] According to the World Health Organization, 16 and 17-year-old adolescents qualify if they have a persistent or predominant sexual preference for prepubescent children at least five years younger than them.

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By the way neither of you still seem to even know what a pedophile is and if you did you would know that a pedophile would not be interested in marrying a child as the child will age past his point of interest, but don't bother with the facts after all you do have a sickness.

That does not mean he has to retain his interest to remain married. He gets what he wants at the beginning and then can ignore her later on if he wishes.

Beyond that, not all pedophiles only have sex with children. How many times do you hear of adult men in adult relationships molesting children?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 08 2010,00:30)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2010,22:27) Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 07 2010,13:21) According to most of modern society, yes. So you would say that a 21 year old man that marries an 17 year old girl is a pedophile? Please at least do a little research before sticking your foot in your cybermouth. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia Pedophilia (or paedophilia) is a psychological disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children.[1][2][3] According to the World Health Organization, 16 and 17-year-old adolescents qualify if they have a persistent or predominant sexual preference for prepubescent children at least five years younger than them. Quote By the way neither of you still seem to even know what a pedophile is and if you did you would know that a pedophile would not be interested in marrying a child as the child will age past his point of interest, but don't bother with the facts after all you do have a sickness. That does not mean he has to retain his interest to remain married. He gets what he wants at the beginning and then can ignore her later on if he wishes. Beyond that, not all pedophiles only have sex with children. How many times do you hear of adult men in adult relationships molesting children?

Kejonn,

If it was a preference of his he would not have had 7 other wives of varying ages even ones older then him so you lost your argument right there besides the fact that it was not abnormal in that culture and what's most important it is not prohibited in any Holy Scripture anywhere and that's the Main reason why you will never be able to win this argument with me.

We cannot make just anything we want prohibited just because we disagree. You would probably say homosexuality is perfectly fine with you well it's prohibited in all the Holy Scriptures.

So it wouldn't matter if a person was born with gay feelings or grew up and became attracted to homosexuality they would simply have to control themselves if they were to follow the Holy Scriptures.

You have the Atheists Disease so it is difficult for you to understand right from wrong, you don't believe in Absolute Morality your view and guide in life is arbritrary feelings. You have absolutely no standard which you have not set by arbitrary means so when you raise a fuss about something it's just silly because I know in your worldview whatever you deny or dislike you can the very next day decide it's okay for you to do.

Today you could be straight and then decide to give homosexuality a try and you would just say “I don't think there's anything wrong with it and it's my choice to decide” It wouldn't matter if your gay lover was 9 years old either if that's what you chose to do it would simply be okay, right? Especially as you explained before if your social network accepted it, remember “Social Capital”?

[kejonn]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,11:51)

Kejonn, If it was a preference of his he would not have had 7 other wives of varying ages even ones older then him so you lost your argument right there besides the fact that it was not abnormal in that culture and what's most important it is not prohibited in any Holy Scripture anywhere and that's the Main reason why you will never be able to win this argument with me.

That the best you have? That he had older wives? So having older wives makes up for one adolescent one?

Furthermore, if we rely on culture to form our morals, then you are simply agreeing with most atheists. I was under the impression that your god gave you better morals than those that were culturally acceptable. Why, its as if Allah wasn't involved at all (just like today)!

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We cannot make just anything we want prohibited just because we disagree. You would probably say homosexuality is perfectly fine with you well it's prohibited in all the Holy Scriptures.

I personally do not care what two consenting adults do in private. I really do not care what any holy scripture says about sex either.

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So it wouldn't matter if a person was born with gay feelings or grew up and became attracted to homosexuality they would simply have to control themselves if they were to follow the Holy Scriptures. You have the Atheists Disease so it is difficult for you to understand right from wrong, you don't believe in Absolute Morality your view and guide in life is arbritrary feelings. You have absolutely no standard which you have not set by arbitrary means so when you raise a fuss about something it's just silly because I know in your worldview whatever you deny or dislike you can the very next day decide it's okay for you to do.

So are you saying that “Absolute Morality” comes from your god? Then would you have an issue with people having sex with nine year olds today? You better not, because Muhammed did it, so it is a good, moral thing to do.

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Today you could be straight and then decide to give homosexuality a try and you would just say “I don't think there's anything wrong with it and it's my choice to decide” It wouldn't matter if your gay lover was 9 years old either if that's what you chose to do it would simply be okay, right? Especially as you explained before if your social network accepted it, remember “Social Capital”?

You're getting creepy.

I am not the one who is trying to justify having sex with children here, you are. I don't justify sex with anyone, and I certainly do not have an issue with the sexual activities of consenting adults.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 08 2010,05:54)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,11:51) Kejonn, If it was a preference of his he would not have had 7 other wives of varying ages even ones older then him so you lost your argument right there besides the fact that it was not abnormal in that culture and what's most important it is not prohibited in any Holy Scripture anywhere and that's the Main reason why you will never be able to win this argument with me. That the best you have? That he had older wives? So having older wives makes up for one adolescent one? Furthermore, if we rely on culture to form our morals, then you are simply agreeing with most atheists. I was under the impression that your god gave you better morals than those that were culturally acceptable. Why, its as if Allah wasn't involved at all (just like today)! Quote We cannot make just anything we want prohibited just because we disagree. You would probably say homosexuality is perfectly fine with you well it's prohibited in all the Holy Scriptures. I personally do not care what two consenting adults do in private. I really do not care what any holy scripture says about sex either. Quote So it wouldn't matter if a person was born with gay feelings or grew up and became attracted to homosexuality they would simply have to control themselves if they were to follow the Holy Scriptures. You have the Atheists Disease so it is difficult for you to understand right from wrong, you don't believe in Absolute Morality your view and guide in life is arbritrary feelings. You have absolutely no standard which you have not set by arbitrary means so when you raise a fuss about something it's just silly because I know in your worldview whatever you deny or dislike you can the very next day decide it's okay for you to do. So are you saying that “Absolute Morality” comes from your god? Then would you have an issue with people having sex with nine year olds today? You better not, because Muhammed did it, so it is a good, moral thing to do. Quote Today you could be straight and then decide to give homosexuality a try and you would just say “I don't think there's anything wrong with it and it's my choice to decide” It wouldn't matter if your gay lover was 9 years old either if that's what you chose to do it would simply be okay, right? Especially as you explained before if your social network accepted it, remember “Social Capital”? You're getting creepy. I am not the one who is trying to justify having sex with children here, you are. I don't justify sex with anyone, and I certainly do not have an issue with the sexual activities of consenting adults.

As I said according to the Scriptures you are severely Immoral. Your opinion or view in regards to morals to me are valued at ABSOLUTE ZERO.

You keep talking about sex with 9 year olds but who ever said anything about sex with 9 year olds? It was assumed not shown.

Your sickness and the sickness of those like you with the Atheists Disease is very revealing you think evil is good and good is evil.

Your life is very sad and depressing and ALL atheists struggle with depression. “ALL” That depression is trying to help you it is a sign that there is something wrong with you.

If you do not change before death a painful punishment will be due. Satan has beguiled you for sure.

You can let others sooth you into believing their will be no result of your folly but I won't do such an evil thing. Repent!

[kejonn]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,22:54)

As I said according to the Scriptures you are severely Immoral.

I don't form my morals from ancient sheepherder text. If I did, then I would treat women as less than me. I would also look down on other races. Heck, as a Gentile, I would be looked down upon.

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Your opinion or view in regards to morals to me are valued at ABSOLUTE ZERO.

Its a good thing too. We need less ancient mindset to keep terrorism to a minimum.

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You keep talking about sex with 9 year olds but who ever said anything about sex with 9 year olds? It was assumed not shown.

Then disprove the assumption. It is quite well know within the Muslim community that Muhammed married Aisha at the age of 6 and consummated the marriage at 9.

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Your sickness and the sickness of those like you with the Atheists Disease is very revealing you think evil is good and good is evil.

Evil and good and words that only mean something in relation to various religious texts. In any case, I find it very wrong for an adult to have sex with a nine year old. You don't so who is calling wrong right here?

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Your life is very sad and depressing and ALL atheists struggle with depression. “ALL” That depression is trying to help you it is a sign that there is something wrong with you.

Haha, the most depressed people I know are Christians. My kids (19 and 10) love spending time with me because I am the most upbeat, joyful person they know. One reason is that I don't beat myself up trying to please some imaginary figure in the sky.

For you to call me “sad and depressing” would mean that you knew me beyond the words I write in this forum. Since you don't you have no idea.

Why, if we were to form opinions about people based solely on their posting history, I would say you were very angry, judgmental, bigoted, and perverse. All of those characteristics are supported by your posts here.

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If you do not change before death a painful punishment will be due. Satan has beguiled you for sure.

Abracadabra and Alcazam!

I'm as scared of your god and his buddy satan as I am Freddy Krueger and Jason Voorhees.

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You can let others sooth you into believing their will be no result of your folly but I won't do such an evil thing. Repent!

Repent of what, using my mind?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 09 2010,03:02)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,22:54) As I said according to the Scriptures you are severely Immoral. I don't form my morals from ancient sheepherder text. If I did, then I would treat women as less than me. I would also look down on other races. Heck, as a Gentile, I would be looked down upon. Quote Your opinion or view in regards to morals to me are valued at ABSOLUTE ZERO. Its a good thing too. We need less ancient mindset to keep terrorism to a minimum. Quote You keep talking about sex with 9 year olds but who ever said anything about sex with 9 year olds? It was assumed not shown. Then disprove the assumption. It is quite well know within the Muslim community that Muhammed married Aisha at the age of 6 and consummated the marriage at 9. Quote Your sickness and the sickness of those like you with the Atheists Disease is very revealing you think evil is good and good is evil. Evil and good and words that only mean something in relation to various religious texts. In any case, I find it very wrong for an adult to have sex with a nine year old. You don't so who is calling wrong right here? Quote Your life is very sad and depressing and ALL atheists struggle with depression. “ALL” That depression is trying to help you it is a sign that there is something wrong with you. Haha, the most depressed people I know are Christians. My kids (19 and 10) love spending time with me because I am the most upbeat, joyful person they know. One reason is that I don't beat myself up trying to please some imaginary figure in the sky. For you to call me “sad and depressing” would mean that you knew me beyond the words I write in this forum. Since you don't you have no idea. Why, if we were to form opinions about people based solely on their posting history, I would say you were very angry, judgmental, bigoted, and perverse. All of those characteristics are supported by your posts here. Quote If you do not change before death a painful punishment will be due. Satan has beguiled you for sure. Abracadabra and Alcazam! I'm as scared of your god and his buddy satan as I am Freddy Krueger and Jason Voorhees. Quote You can let others sooth you into believing their will be no result of your folly but I won't do such an evil thing. Repent! Repent of what, using my mind?

Your not using your mind your deceiving yourself. You have no morality and as regret sets in as you age there will be no lasting comfort and then when your eyes close for the last time on earth. That will not be the end, it will be the beginning and the Hell you denied will come into full view.

Remember this:

Man does not weary of asking for good (things), but if ill touches him, he gives up all hope (and) is lost in despair.
( سورة فصلت , Fussilat, Chapter #41, Verse #49)

At length, when they reach the (Fire), their hearing, their sight, and their skins will bear witness against them, as to (all) their deeds.
( سورة فصلت , Fussilat, Chapter #41, Verse #20)

Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #56)

With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins.
( سورة الحج , Al-Hajj, Chapter #22, Verse #20)

[Stu]

Islam: the cheerful, upbeat, inclusive religion that really shows atheists what an unpleasant thing it is that they believe.

Stuart

[kejonn]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 08 2010,16:19)

Your not using your mind your deceiving yourself.

If I fail to believe in something that is invisible, silent, uninvolved, without form, and simply has no evidence of actually being real, I am the one deceiving myself?

Shall we speak of leprechauns and pots of gold again?

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You have no morality and as regret sets in as you age there will be no lasting comfort and then when your eyes close for the last time on earth.

Regret that I spent 20 years with an imaginary friend? You bet! Those kind of friends are fun when you are a lonely child, but quite embarrassing as an adult.

Its even more embarrassing when I believe my imaginary friend is going to punish all of those bad people who do not believe in him. What a pouty, selfish friend!

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That will not be the end, it will be the beginning and the Hell you denied will come into full view. Remember this: Man does not weary of asking for good (things), but if ill touches him, he gives up all hope (and) is lost in despair.   (  سورة فصلت  , Fussilat, Chapter #41, Verse #49) At length, when they reach the (Fire), their hearing, their sight, and their skins will bear witness against them, as to (all) their deeds.   (  سورة فصلت  , Fussilat, Chapter #41, Verse #20) Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.   (  سورة النساء  , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #56) With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins.   (  سورة الحج  , Al-Hajj, Chapter #22, Verse #20)

So you are using scare tactics now, eh? Those work better on little children, not so much on thinking adults.

Take your boogey man and run along.

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 08 2010,16:19) Your not using your mind your deceiving yourself. If I fail to believe in something that is invisible, silent, uninvolved, without form, and simply has no evidence of actually being real, I am the one deceiving myself? Shall we speak of leprechauns and pots of gold again? Quote You have no morality and as regret sets in as you age there will be no lasting comfort and then when your eyes close for the last time on earth. Regret that I spent 20 years with an imaginary friend? You bet! Those kind of friends are fun when you are a lonely child, but quite embarrassing as an adult. Its even more embarrassing when I believe my imaginary friend is going to punish all of those bad people who do not believe in him. What a pouty, selfish friend! Quote That will not be the end, it will be the beginning and the Hell you denied will come into full view. Remember this: Man does not weary of asking for good (things), but if ill touches him, he gives up all hope (and) is lost in despair.   (  سورة فصلت  , Fussilat, Chapter #41, Verse #49) At length, when they reach the (Fire), their hearing, their sight, and their skins will bear witness against them, as to (all) their deeds.   (  سورة فصلت  , Fussilat, Chapter #41, Verse #20) Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.   (  سورة النساء  , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #56) With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins.   (  سورة الحج  , Al-Hajj, Chapter #22, Verse #20) So you are using scare tactics now, eh? Those work better on little children, not so much on thinking adults. Take your boogey man and run along.

The fire will be real and the terror in your eyes will be real as well.

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