The virgin birth

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 03 2010,20:00)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 03 2010,17:16) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 31 2010,18:18) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 31 2010,04:32) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 31 2010,01:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 30 2010,12:41) Kant says: The reality of the idea of God can only be proved by means of Moral Law. Do you believe in Absolute Morality or not? If you do not all of your positions you take on morality hold no weight at all. I already agree that there is a god idea, many actually, and the empirical evidence for that is all I need to be content. The issue of whether there is a god to match the god idea is a different question, and Kant would be wrong to say he could prove the existence of a god by morals, because these things we call absolute morals are evidently arbitrary (although they do match ideas of selection pressures pretty well).  So the problem is that any such 'proof' immediately becomes circular, because you assume the morals of the thing you wish to prove through the existence of those morals.   Would you care to demonstrate WHY the only valid position is a belief in absolute morals?  Again, you are just asserting it. Stuart I'm just saying if you don't accept Morality as Absolute, your every Moral criticism has no valid basis. Is it absolutely wrong to kill accept as a last resort in immediate physical self-defense, or prevention of physical injury of another? How absolute do you consider that moral? Is sex with a minor absolutely wrong? Stuart Quote Is it absolutely wrong to kill accept as a last resort in immediate physical self-defense, or prevention of physical injury of another? No, it is not wrong to kill someone who has killed and will kill again. It is also not wrong to kill someone who refuses to not comply to removing or refraining fom an injustice to another persons freedoms. Quote Is sex with a minor absolutely wrong? What is a minor? Marriage that is condoned has no age condition. Sex is not permitted at all outside of the agreement of Mutual commitment So you do not believe in absolute morals then, because you have included a defense that is based on opinion.  Every instance of killing can be justified under your definition.  “He was standing in my way, removing my freedom of movement, so I was right to kill him”. You condone pedophilia.  Was that your view before you converted to mohammadism? Looks like I'm the one who believes in absolute morals, and you're the one who fudges them. Stuart

you still didn't tell me what age defines a minor and what defines a suitable time to marry.

Is 21 a suitable time to marry? Also, is it okay for a 21 year old to Marry someone 81?

[Stu]

I don't think there would be anyone who would confuse a nine year old for someone who is of an age to consent to sexual intercourse.

Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble?

Stuart

[Stu]

Sorry, I forgot one person who would confuse a nine year old for a suitable sexual partner: the man who had his friends write down what the voices in his head were telling him regarding his violent domination of seventh century Arabia.

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 04 2010,19:17)

I don't think there would be anyone who would confuse a nine year old for someone who is of an age to consent to sexual intercourse. Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble? Stuart

You still didn't tell me what was the minimum age.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 04 2010,19:17)

I don't think there would be anyone who would confuse a nine year old for someone who is of an age to consent to sexual intercourse. Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble? Stuart

What is the age of consent?

In science doesn't the age of maturity coincide with the age of menstruation?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 04 2010,19:18)

Sorry, I forgot one person who would confuse a nine year old for a suitable sexual partner: the man who had his friends write down what the voices in his head were telling him regarding his violent domination of seventh century Arabia. Stuart

STU,

Are you believing in Science right now or are you switching up again? What about precocious puberty?

[Stu]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2010,14:19)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 04 2010,19:17) I don't think there would be anyone who would confuse a nine year old for someone who is of an age to consent to sexual intercourse. Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble? Stuart You still didn't tell me what was the minimum age.

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Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble?

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 05 2010,23:28)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2010,14:19) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 04 2010,19:17) I don't think there would be anyone who would confuse a nine year old for someone who is of an age to consent to sexual intercourse. Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble? Stuart You still didn't tell me what was the minimum age. Quote Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble? Stuart

A little nervous about the science of it all STU?

We are not talking about pedophelia at all are we? You won't even provide an age of consent.

Using an abberant position as a smokescreen doesn't further your cause at all.

[Stu]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2010,06:11)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 05 2010,23:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2010,14:19) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 04 2010,19:17) I don't think there would be anyone who would confuse a nine year old for someone who is of an age to consent to sexual intercourse. Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble? Stuart You still didn't tell me what was the minimum age. Quote Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble? Stuart A little nervous about the science of it all STU? We are not talking about pedophelia at all are we? You won't even provide an age of consent. Using an abberant position as a smokescreen doesn't further your cause at all.

Pedophilia is sex with children. Is a nine-year old a child in your opinion?

Islam: The religion of those who condone pedophilia (as contrased with the christian sect that covers it up).

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 06 2010,07:48)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2010,06:11) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 05 2010,23:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2010,14:19) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 04 2010,19:17) I don't think there would be anyone who would confuse a nine year old for someone who is of an age to consent to sexual intercourse. Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble? Stuart You still didn't tell me what was the minimum age. Quote Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble? Stuart A little nervous about the science of it all STU? We are not talking about pedophelia at all are we? You won't even provide an age of consent. Using an abberant position as a smokescreen doesn't further your cause at all. Pedophilia is sex with children.  Is a nine-year old a child in your opinion? Islam: The religion of those who condone pedophilia (as contrased with the christian sect that covers it up). Stuart

Is a 17 year old a child in your opinion?

[Stu]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2010,09:28)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 06 2010,07:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2010,06:11) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 05 2010,23:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2010,14:19) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 04 2010,19:17) I don't think there would be anyone who would confuse a nine year old for someone who is of an age to consent to sexual intercourse. Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble? Stuart You still didn't tell me what was the minimum age. Quote Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble? Stuart A little nervous about the science of it all STU? We are not talking about pedophelia at all are we? You won't even provide an age of consent. Using an abberant position as a smokescreen doesn't further your cause at all. Pedophilia is sex with children.  Is a nine-year old a child in your opinion? Islam: The religion of those who condone pedophilia (as contrased with the christian sect that covers it up). Stuart Is a 17 year old a child in your opinion?

Islam: the religion for those who follow the teachings of a man who had sexual intercourse with a nine year old girl.

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 06 2010,12:41)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2010,09:28) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 06 2010,07:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2010,06:11) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 05 2010,23:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2010,14:19) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 04 2010,19:17) I don't think there would be anyone who would confuse a nine year old for someone who is of an age to consent to sexual intercourse. Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble? Stuart You still didn't tell me what was the minimum age. Quote Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble? Stuart A little nervous about the science of it all STU? We are not talking about pedophelia at all are we? You won't even provide an age of consent. Using an abberant position as a smokescreen doesn't further your cause at all. Pedophilia is sex with children.  Is a nine-year old a child in your opinion? Islam: The religion of those who condone pedophilia (as contrased with the christian sect that covers it up). Stuart Is a 17 year old a child in your opinion? Islam: the religion for those who follow the teachings of a man who had sexual intercourse with a nine year old girl. Stuart

I guess you can't answer

[Stu]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2010,13:53)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 06 2010,12:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2010,09:28) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 06 2010,07:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2010,06:11) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 05 2010,23:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2010,14:19) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 04 2010,19:17) I don't think there would be anyone who would confuse a nine year old for someone who is of an age to consent to sexual intercourse. Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble? Stuart You still didn't tell me what was the minimum age. Quote Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble? Stuart A little nervous about the science of it all STU? We are not talking about pedophelia at all are we? You won't even provide an age of consent. Using an abberant position as a smokescreen doesn't further your cause at all. Pedophilia is sex with children.  Is a nine-year old a child in your opinion? Islam: The religion of those who condone pedophilia (as contrased with the christian sect that covers it up). Stuart Is a 17 year old a child in your opinion? Islam: the religion for those who follow the teachings of a man who had sexual intercourse with a nine year old girl. Stuart I guess you can't answer

I guess you couldn't answer my question then.

Is a nine year old a child, in your opinion?

Because if she was a child, then you are promoting pedophilia, by the definition of that word.

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 06 2010,14:30)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2010,13:53) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 06 2010,12:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2010,09:28) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 06 2010,07:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2010,06:11) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 05 2010,23:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2010,14:19) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 04 2010,19:17) I don't think there would be anyone who would confuse a nine year old for someone who is of an age to consent to sexual intercourse. Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble? Stuart You still didn't tell me what was the minimum age. Quote Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble? Stuart A little nervous about the science of it all STU? We are not talking about pedophelia at all are we? You won't even provide an age of consent. Using an abberant position as a smokescreen doesn't further your cause at all. Pedophilia is sex with children.  Is a nine-year old a child in your opinion? Islam: The religion of those who condone pedophilia (as contrased with the christian sect that covers it up). Stuart Is a 17 year old a child in your opinion? Islam: the religion for those who follow the teachings of a man who had sexual intercourse with a nine year old girl. Stuart I guess you can't answer I guess you couldn't answer my question then. Is a nine year old a child, in your opinion? Because if she was a child, then you are promoting pedophilia, by the definition of that word. Stuart

You still don't know what pedophilia is, so you might want to start there.

In my opinion a 9 year old is a child and so is a 19 year old and in-fact some 35 year olds(Seriously) are children.

Now what is a child to you?

[Stu]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,06:43)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 06 2010,14:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2010,13:53) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 06 2010,12:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2010,09:28) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 06 2010,07:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2010,06:11) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 05 2010,23:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2010,14:19) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 04 2010,19:17) I don't think there would be anyone who would confuse a nine year old for someone who is of an age to consent to sexual intercourse. Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble? Stuart You still didn't tell me what was the minimum age. Quote Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble? Stuart A little nervous about the science of it all STU? We are not talking about pedophelia at all are we? You won't even provide an age of consent. Using an abberant position as a smokescreen doesn't further your cause at all. Pedophilia is sex with children.  Is a nine-year old a child in your opinion? Islam: The religion of those who condone pedophilia (as contrased with the christian sect that covers it up). Stuart Is a 17 year old a child in your opinion? Islam: the religion for those who follow the teachings of a man who had sexual intercourse with a nine year old girl. Stuart I guess you can't answer I guess you couldn't answer my question then. Is a nine year old a child, in your opinion? Because if she was a child, then you are promoting pedophilia, by the definition of that word. Stuart You still don't know what pedophilia is, so you might want to start there. In my opinion a 9 year old is a child and so is a 19 year old and in-fact some 35 year olds(Seriously) are children. Now what is a child to you?

A nine year old is a child to me. Aisha (for that is the little girl that mohammad raped) unless she was a freakily early developer had not reached a developmental stage of sexual awareness that any reasonable person could consider would put her in a position to give properly informed, knowledgeable consent of what mohammad was doing to her.

Islam: the religion that condones child rape as well as infant genital mutilation.

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 07 2010,10:55)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,06:43) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 06 2010,14:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2010,13:53) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 06 2010,12:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2010,09:28) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 06 2010,07:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2010,06:11) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 05 2010,23:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2010,14:19) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 04 2010,19:17) I don't think there would be anyone who would confuse a nine year old for someone who is of an age to consent to sexual intercourse. Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble? Stuart You still didn't tell me what was the minimum age. Quote Are you promoting pedophilia seriously, or just because you want to quibble? Stuart A little nervous about the science of it all STU? We are not talking about pedophelia at all are we? You won't even provide an age of consent. Using an abberant position as a smokescreen doesn't further your cause at all. Pedophilia is sex with children.  Is a nine-year old a child in your opinion? Islam: The religion of those who condone pedophilia (as contrased with the christian sect that covers it up). Stuart Is a 17 year old a child in your opinion? Islam: the religion for those who follow the teachings of a man who had sexual intercourse with a nine year old girl. Stuart I guess you can't answer I guess you couldn't answer my question then. Is a nine year old a child, in your opinion? Because if she was a child, then you are promoting pedophilia, by the definition of that word. Stuart You still don't know what pedophilia is, so you might want to start there. In my opinion a 9 year old is a child and so is a 19 year old and in-fact some 35 year olds(Seriously) are children. Now what is a child to you? A nine year old is a child to me.  Aisha (for that is the little girl that mohammad raped) unless she was a freakily early developer had not reached a developmental stage of sexual awareness that any reasonable person could consider would put her in a position to give properly informed, knowledgeable consent of what mohammad was doing to her. Islam: the religion that condones child rape as well as infant genital mutilation. Stuart

What is your cut off age and do you say that all past cultures that condoned such marriages are pedophile cultures?

If so according to your idea of how morality is formed it would still be a very high moral act.

Furthermore, could a pedophile marry someone young and stay interested in them as they aged to the point you would find acceptable, keep in mind he stayed married to Aisha until he died and he took no other brides.

You lose again STU.

By the way defaming people is not an adequate defense of your weak points.

You have even googled me in order to think it is possible to defame me Lol..lol..lol You will only find me ever willing to teach you the facts and convey the proper message of God.

God Willing you will learn something from all of this.

[Stu]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,12:18)

What is your cut off age and do you say that all past cultures that condoned such marriages are pedophile cultures? If so according to your idea of how morality is formed it would still be a very high moral act. Furthermore, could a pedophile marry someone young and stay interested in them as they aged to the point you would find acceptable, keep in mind he stayed married to Aisha until he died and he took no other brides. You lose again STU. By the way defaming people is not an adequate defense of your weak points. You have even googled me in order to think it is possible to defame me Lol..lol..lol   You will only find me ever willing to teach you the facts and convey the proper message of God. God Willing you will learn something from all of this.

I think the cut off age should be 18. No infant should have his foreskin chopped off before that age.

Regarding pedophilia, I would not call mohammad raping a girl who had not reached the age of sexual awareness a 'high moral act'.

Don't bother with the 'could have waited' nonsense. He married her at six and sexually abused her at nine.

Where have I defamed you?

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 07 2010,12:22)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,12:18) What is your cut off age and do you say that all past cultures that condoned such marriages are pedophile cultures? If so according to your idea of how morality is formed it would still be a very high moral act. Furthermore, could a pedophile marry someone young and stay interested in them as they aged to the point you would find acceptable, keep in mind he stayed married to Aisha until he died and he took no other brides. You lose again STU. By the way defaming people is not an adequate defense of your weak points. You have even googled me in order to think it is possible to defame me Lol..lol..lol   You will only find me ever willing to teach you the facts and convey the proper message of God. God Willing you will learn something from all of this. I think the cut off age should be 18.  No infant should have his foreskin chopped off before that age. Regarding pedophilia, I would not call mohammad raping a girl who had not reached the age of sexual awareness a 'high moral act'. Don't bother with the 'could have waited' nonsense.  He married her at six and sexually abused her at nine. Where have I defamed you? Stuart

So everyone who married anyone before 18 is a pedophile?

[kejonn]

According to most of modern society, yes.

[Stu]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,12:28)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 07 2010,12:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,12:18) What is your cut off age and do you say that all past cultures that condoned such marriages are pedophile cultures? If so according to your idea of how morality is formed it would still be a very high moral act. Furthermore, could a pedophile marry someone young and stay interested in them as they aged to the point you would find acceptable, keep in mind he stayed married to Aisha until he died and he took no other brides. You lose again STU. By the way defaming people is not an adequate defense of your weak points. You have even googled me in order to think it is possible to defame me Lol..lol..lol   You will only find me ever willing to teach you the facts and convey the proper message of God. God Willing you will learn something from all of this. I think the cut off age should be 18.  No infant should have his foreskin chopped off before that age. Regarding pedophilia, I would not call mohammad raping a girl who had not reached the age of sexual awareness a 'high moral act'. Don't bother with the 'could have waited' nonsense.  He married her at six and sexually abused her at nine. Where have I defamed you? Stuart So everyone who married anyone before 18 is a pedophile?

That is not what I wrote.

I said the cut off age should be 18, ie ircumcision should be consensual.

You're not very bright, are you BD.

What does that have to do with mohammad raping a little girl?

Stuart

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