The Urantia Book The Bible

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  • #333789
    Ed J
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    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 27 2012,22:10)
    Colter.and Ed.

    Do you believe all the red lettrings in the bible is Jesus speaking?

    Wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    Some printers printed the words Jesus spoke in red print.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #333790
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Colter @ Aug. 27 2012,22:44)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 27 2012,22:10)

    Quote (Colter @ Aug. 27 2012,21:29)

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2012,13:03)
    Hi Colter,

    When have I ever said “gotcha”?  –  Describe one of my (so-called) gotcha moments.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    The most recent one is this quibleing:

    Do you know Jesus Ed?

    Colter

    Hi Colter,

    Do you not have the gifts if discerning of spirits?

    God bless
    Ed J

    Ed, being the stickler you are for answering questions I would think you would answer my question first?

    Colter

    Hi Colter,

    My answer is “Yes”.

    Is not your question (in and of itself) evidence suggesting the answer to my question is 'no'?

    Plus me answering first gives you the answer. (which is more evidence of suggesting 'no')

    You do agree with my evidence analysis – (even if you disagree with my answer) right?

    Colter


    Colter.and Ed.

    Do you believe all the red lettrings in the bible is Jesus speaking?

    Wakeup.


    For the most part yes, as accurately as the words of Jesus were remembered.

    Some elements were added.

    With the UB we now have an account of the celestials that were on the earth while Michael was here in the person of Jesus, so we know specifically what Jesus said and taught.

    The Urantia Book
    Paper 121
    The Times of Michael’s Bestowal

    (1332.1) 121:0.1 ACTING under the supervision of a commission of twelve members of the United Brotherhood of Urantia Midwayers, conjointly sponsored by the presiding head of our order and the Melchizedek of record, I am the secondary midwayer of onetime attachment to the Apostle Andrew, and I am authorized to place on record the narrative of the life transactions of Jesus of Nazareth as they were observed by my order of earth creatures, and as they were subsequently partially recorded by the human subject of my temporal guardianship. Knowing how his Master so scrupulously avoided leaving written records behind him, Andrew steadfastly refused to multiply copies of his written narrative. A similar attitude on the part of the other apostles of Jesus greatly delayed the writing of the Gospels.

    Colter


    Colter.

    So how do you know for sure,what is true and what is added on? Is this just a matter of which words corresponds with the UB.

    The bible has become free game for all,in these last days.

    wakeup.

    #333791
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 28 2012,02:12)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 27 2012,22:10)
    Colter.and Ed.

    Do you believe all the red lettrings in the bible is Jesus speaking?

    Wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    Some printers printed the words Jesus spoke in red print.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDj.

    Do you follow all Jesus words in red print?
    Or is it up to ones taste?

    wakeup.

    #333792
    Spock
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 29 2012,01:56)

    Quote (Colter @ Aug. 27 2012,22:44)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 27 2012,22:10)

    Quote (Colter @ Aug. 27 2012,21:29)

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2012,13:03)
    Hi Colter,

    When have I ever said “gotcha”?  –  Describe one of my (so-called) gotcha moments.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    The most recent one is this quibleing:

    Do you know Jesus Ed?

    Colter

    Hi Colter,

    Do you not have the gifts if discerning of spirits?

    God bless
    Ed J

    Ed, being the stickler you are for answering questions I would think you would answer my question first?

    Colter

    Hi Colter,

    My answer is “Yes”.

    Is not your question (in and of itself) evidence suggesting the answer to my question is 'no'?

    Plus me answering first gives you the answer. (which is more evidence of suggesting 'no')

    You do agree with my evidence analysis – (even if you disagree with my answer) right?

    Colter


    Colter.and Ed.

    Do you believe all the red lettrings in the bible is Jesus speaking?

    Wakeup.


    For the most part yes, as accurately as the words of Jesus were remembered.

    Some elements were added.

    With the UB we now have an account of the celestials that were on the earth while Michael was here in the person of Jesus, so we know specifically what Jesus said and taught.

    The Urantia Book
    Paper 121
    The Times of Michael’s Bestowal

    (1332.1) 121:0.1 ACTING under the supervision of a commission of twelve members of the United Brotherhood of Urantia Midwayers, conjointly sponsored by the presiding head of our order and the Melchizedek of record, I am the secondary midwayer of onetime attachment to the Apostle Andrew, and I am authorized to place on record the narrative of the life transactions of Jesus of Nazareth as they were observed by my order of earth creatures, and as they were subsequently partially recorded by the human subject of my temporal guardianship. Knowing how his Master so scrupulously avoided leaving written records behind him, Andrew steadfastly refused to multiply copies of his written narrative. A similar attitude on the part of the other apostles of Jesus greatly delayed the writing of the Gospels.

    Colter


    Colter.

    So how do you know for sure,what is true and what is added on? Is this just a matter of which words corresponds with the UB.

    The bible has become free game for all,in these last days.

    wakeup.


    Yes, for me it is a matter of which words correspond with the UB.

    There is no “last days”, that false teaching from the apocalyptic thinkers. The apostles thought Jesus would soon return, he didn't and will likely not return until the original gospel has transformed the earth into one human family under one world government by the people, for the people.

    Colter

    #333793
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 29 2012,01:59)

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 28 2012,02:12)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 27 2012,22:10)
    Colter.and Ed.

    Do you believe all the red lettrings in the bible is Jesus speaking?

    Wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    Some printers printed the words Jesus spoke in red print.

    God bless
    Ed J


    EDj.

    Do you follow all Jesus words in red print?
    Or is it up to ones taste?

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    I follow God, not mans interpretations.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #333794
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Colter @ Aug. 29 2012,05:04)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 29 2012,01:56)
    Colter.

    So how do you know for sure,what is true and what is added on? Is this just a matter of which words corresponds with the UB.

    wakeup.


    Yes, for me it is a matter of which words correspond with the UB.

    Colter


    Wow,

    That's what muslims say about the quran too.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

    #333795
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 29 2012,05:21)

    Quote (Colter @ Aug. 29 2012,05:04)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 29 2012,01:56)
    Colter.

    So how do you know for sure,what is true and what is added on? Is this just a matter of which words corresponds with the UB.

    wakeup.


    Yes, for me it is a matter of which words correspond with the UB.

    Colter


    Wow,

    That's what muslims say about the quran too.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)


    Is this another “gotcha moment”?

    #333796
    Spock
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 29 2012,05:22)

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 29 2012,05:21)

    Quote (Colter @ Aug. 29 2012,05:04)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 29 2012,01:56)
    Colter.

    So how do you know for sure,what is true and what is added on? Is this just a matter of which words corresponds with the UB.

    wakeup.


    Yes, for me it is a matter of which words correspond with the UB.

    Colter


    Wow,

    That's what muslims say about the quran too.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)


    Is this another “gotcha moment”?


    No, because I don't know of any Muslims that compare the Quran to the UB.

    BTW, I'm not anti-Muslim; many of them know God using the same sincere faith/trust that Jesus practiced. They have a personal relationship with God as opposed to an intellectual relationship with theology. So when you make comparisons between me and Muslims, it doesn’t mean anything negative to me in the same way that theological Christians, who are card carrying members of the Christian social organization called the church, would be offended at the accusation.

    Muslims are my brothers and sisters, we have a common spiritual Father.

    Colter

    #333797
    Ed J
    Participant

    My comparison was with the quran – did you somehow miss that point?

    #333798
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Colter,

    You somehow seem to have missed my point,
    so I will spell it out more clearly for you…

    Regarding the bible:
    You say what lines up with the UB (according to you) is truth.
    They say what lines up with the quran (according to them) is truth.

    So is the UB in harmony with the quran?   (<–please answer)    …as you claim to be in harmony with them?      

    Ed J

    #333799
    Ed J
    Participant

    YOU MUST BELIEVE

    #333800
    Ed J
    Participant

    “But God shall shoot at them with an arrow;
     suddenly shall they be wounded.” (Ps.64:7)

    #333801
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 29 2012,14:31)
    YOU MUST BELIEVE


    edj

    did you take this out of jungle book movie ??? you know the snake

    #333802
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 29 2012,14:35)

    “But God shall shoot at them with an arrow;
     suddenly shall they be wounded.” (Ps.64:7)


    edj

    you should realy question your understanding here

    #333803
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 29 2012,13:07)

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 29 2012,14:31)
    YOU MUST BELIEVE


    edj

    did you take this out of jungle book movie ??? you know the snake


    Do they have this UB symbol in the jungle book movie?

    #333804
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 29 2012,13:08)

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 29 2012,14:35)

    “But God shall shoot at them with an arrow;
     suddenly shall they be wounded.” (Ps.64:7)


    edj

    you should realy question your understanding here


    What do you mean?

    #333805
    Spock
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 29 2012,07:21)
    Hi Colter,

    You somehow seem to have missed my point,
    so I will spell it out more clearly for you…

    Regarding the bible:
    You say what lines up with the UB (according to you) is truth.
    They say what lines up with the quran (according to them) is truth.

    So is the UB in harmony with the quran?   (<–please answer)    …as you claim to be in harmony with them?      

    Ed J


    Ed, you read enough of the UB to know that it is NOT in harmony with the Quaran.

    * Its not, where the UB lines up with the Bible “according to me”, it's according to the celestial authors of the UB.

    * The Bible doesn't make the claim of authorship by authoritative celestial beings, historians or scientist. It is a collection of books selected by men, it was written by various priest and laymen then edited and redacted.

    The answer to your dumb question is NO!

    Colter

    #333806
    Spock
    Participant

    MORONTIA MOTA

    48:7.1 The lower planes of morontia mota join directly with the higher levels of human philosophy. On the first mansion world it is the practice to teach the less advanced students by the parallel technique; that is, in one column are presented the more simple concepts of mota meanings, and in the opposite column citation is made of analogous statements of mortal philosophy.

    48:7.2 Not long since, while executing an assignment on the first mansion world of Satania, I had occasion to observe this method of teaching; and though I may not undertake to present the mota content of the lesson, I am permitted to record the twenty-eight statements of human philosophy which this morontia instructor was utilizing as illustrative material designed to assist these new mansion world sojourners in their early efforts to grasp the significance and meaning of mota. These illustrations of human philosophy were:

    48:7.3 1. A display of specialized skill does not signify possession of spiritual capacity. Cleverness is not a substitute for true character.

    48:7.4 2. Few persons live up to the faith which they really have. Unreasoned fear is a master intellectual fraud practiced upon the evolving mortal soul.

    48:7.5 3. Inherent capacities cannot be exceeded; a pint can never hold a quart. The spirit concept cannot be mechanically forced into the material memory mold.

    48:7.6 4. Few mortals ever dare to draw anything like the sum of personality credits established by the combined ministries of nature and grace. The majority of impoverished souls are truly rich, but they refuse to believe it.

    48:7.7 5. Difficulties may challenge mediocrity and defeat the fearful, but they only stimulate the true children of the Most Highs.

    48:7.8 6. To enjoy privilege without abuse, to have liberty without license, to possess power and steadfastly refuse to use it for self-aggrandizement—these are the marks of high civilization.

    48:7.9 7. Blind and unforeseen accidents do not occur in the cosmos. Neither do the celestial beings assist the lower being who refuses to act upon his light of truth.

    48:7.10 8. Effort does not always produce joy, but there is no happiness without intelligent effort.

    48:7.11 9. Action achieves strength; moderation eventuates in charm.

    48:7.12 10. Righteousness strikes the harmony chords of truth, and the melody vibrates throughout the cosmos, even to the recognition of the Infinite.

    48:7.13 11. The weak indulge in resolutions, but the strong act. Life is but a day’s work—do it well. The act is ours; the consequences God's.

    48:7.14 12. The greatest affliction of the cosmos is never to have been afflicted. Mortals only learn wisdom by experiencing tribulation.

    48:7.15 13. Stars are best discerned from the lonely isolation of experiential depths, not from the illuminated and ecstatic mountain tops.

    48:7.16 14. Whet the appetites of your associates for truth; give advice only when it is asked for.

    48:7.17 15. Affectation is the ridiculous effort of the ignorant to appear wise, the attempt of the barren soul to appear rich.

    48:7.18 16. You cannot perceive spiritual truth until you feelingly experience it, and many truths are not really felt except in adversity.

    48:7.19 17. Ambition is dangerous until it is fully socialized. You have not truly acquired any virtue until your acts make you worthy of it.

    48:7.20 18. Impatience is a spirit poison; anger is like a stone hurled into a hornet’s nest.

    48:7.21 19. Anxiety must be abandoned. The disappointments hardest to bear are those which never come.

    48:7.22 20. Only a poet can discern poetry in the commonplace prose of routine existence.

    48:7.23 21. The high mission of any art is, by its illusions, to foreshadow a higher universe reality, to crystallize the emotions of time into the thought of eternity.

    48:7.24 22. The evolving soul is not made divine by what it does, but by what it strives to do.

    48:7.25 23. Death added nothing to the intellectual possession or to the spiritual endowment, but it did add to the experiential status the consciousness of survival.

    48:7.26 24. The destiny of eternity is determined moment by moment by the achievements of the day by day living. The acts of today are the destiny of tomorrow.

    48:7.27 25. Greatness lies not so much in possessing strength as in making a wise and divine use of such strength.

    48:7.28 26. Knowledge is possessed only by sharing; it is safeguarded by wisdom and socialized by love.

    48:7.29 27. Progress demands development of individuality; mediocrity seeks perpetuation in standardization.

    48:7.30 28. The argumentative defense of any proposition is inversely proportional to the truth contained.

    Colter

    #333807
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 29 2012,07:21)
    Hi Colter,

    You somehow seem to have missed my point,
    so I will spell it out more clearly for you…

    Regarding the bible:
    You say what lines up with the UB (according to you) is truth.
    They say what lines up with the quran (according to them) is truth.

    So is the UB in harmony with the quran?   (<–please answer)    …as you claim to be in harmony with them?      

    Ed J


    EDJ.

    They must be spiritual brothers.
    Different books but the one inspirator.

    wakeup.

    #333808
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 29 2012,07:31)
    YOU MUST BELIEVE


    EdJ.

    Dont you think you are doing the same thing with your links?

    wakeup.

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