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Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2012,15:42) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,12:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2012,09:09) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,08:40) Yes I see: 1 Corinthians 15:9
“For I am the least of the apostles, who am not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.”
Colter
Colter.What happened to understanding scriptures?
It has gone out the window.wakeup.
Ed has something in his magic insights about the use of “I am”, I had asked him to explain but he only asks questions but doesn't answer.Colter
Colter.All Ed does is provide you with a link.
You mentioned born again; is this in the U.B?
wakeup.
Yes, the UB has the entire story of Jesus including those parts that we are already familiar with in the Bible.Colter
I was born again of the spirit around the 28th of May 1985. I was a hopelessly addicted, wretched human being. Upon complete and utter defeat, I surrendered to God, not even understanding the mercy and power that was to be bestowed upon me. I have never been the same since that day and my life has been dramatically transformed.
THE VISIT WITH NICODEMUS
142:6.1 One evening at the home of Flavius there came to see Jesus one Nicodemus, a wealthy and elderly member of the Jewish Sanhedrin. He had heard much about the teachings of this Galilean, and so he went one afternoon to hear him as he taught in the temple courts. He would have gone often to hear Jesus teach, but he feared to be seen by the people in attendance upon his teaching, for already were the rulers of the Jews so at variance with Jesus that no member of the Sanhedrin would want to be identified in any open manner with him. Accordingly, Nicodemus had arranged with Andrew to see Jesus privately and after nightfall on this particular evening. Peter, James, and James were in Flavius’s garden when the interview began, but later they all went into the house where the discourse continued.
142:6.2 In receiving Nicodemus, Jesus showed no particular deference; in talking with him, there was no compromise or undue persuasiveness. The Master made no attempt to repulse his secretive caller, nor did he employ sarcasm. In all his dealings with the distinguished visitor, Jesus was calm, earnest, and dignified. Nicodemus was not an official delegate of the Sanhedrin; he came to see Jesus wholly because of his personal and sincere interest in the Master’s teachings.
142:6.3 Upon being presented by Flavius, Nicodemus said: “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher sent by God, for no mere man could so teach unless God were with him. And I am desirous of knowing more about your teachings regarding the coming kingdom.”
142:6.4 Jesus answered Nicodemus: “Verily, verily, I say toyou, Nicodemus, except a man be born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”Then replied Nicodemus: “But how can a man be born again when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb to be born.”
142:6.5 Jesus said: “Nevertheless, I declare to you, except a man be born of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the spirit is spirit. But you should not marvel that I said you must be born from above. When the wind blows, you hear the rustle of the leaves, but you do not see the wind—whence it comes or whither it goes—and so it is with everyone born of the spirit. With the eyes of the flesh you can behold the manifestations of the spirit, but you cannot actually discern the spirit.”
142:6.6 Nicodemus replied: “But I do not understand—how can that be?” Said Jesus: “Can it be that you are a teacher in Israel and yet ignorant of all this? It becomes, then, the duty of those who know about the realities of the spirit to reveal these things to those who discern only the manifestations of the material world. But will you believe us if we tell you of the heavenly truths? Do you have the courage, Nicodemus, to believe in one who has descended from heaven, even the Son of Man?”
142:6.7 And Nicodemus said: “But how can I begin to lay hold upon this spirit which is to remake me in preparation for entering into the kingdom?” Jesus answered: “Already does the spirit of the Father in heaven indwell you. If you would be led by this spirit from above, very soon would you begin to see with the eyes of the spirit, and then by the wholehearted choice of spirit guidance would you be born of the spirit since your only purpose in living would be to do the will of your Father who is in heaven. And so finding yourself born of the spirit and happily in the kingdom of God, you would begin to bear in your daily life the abundant fruits of the spirit.”
142:6.8 Nicodemus was thoroughly sincere. He was deeply impressed but went away bewildered. Nicodemus was accomplished in self-development, in self-restraint, and even in high moral qualities. He was refined, egoistic, and altruistic; but he did not know how to submit his will to the will of the divine Father as a little child is willing to submit to the guidance and leading of a wise and loving earthly father, thereby becoming in reality a son of God, a progressive heir of the eternal kingdom.
142:6.9 But Nicodemus did summon faith enough to lay hold of the kingdom. He faintly protested when his colleagues of the Sanhedrin sought to condemn Jesus without a hearing; and with Joseph of Arimathea, he later boldly acknowledged his faith and claimed the body of Jesus, even when most of the disciples had fled in fear from the scenes of their Master’s final suffering and death.” UB
Colter
Colter.
This seem to be a copy of the new testament,that you have refuted. One can not pick and choose some scriptures and reject other scriptures.
Either you take the whole package,or you dont.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2012,23:14) Colter. This seem to be a copy of the new testament,that you have refuted. One can not pick and choose some scriptures and reject other scriptures.
Either you take the whole package,or you dont.wakeup.
Wakeup,I have not refuted the NT, your all or nothing way of thinking is your problem, not mine. That is the religion of book worship, of making a book a God. They have done that to you, you bought into the fear based manipulation. You don't set the standard of my faith, God does.
The evil of “all or nothing” rejected and killed Jesus, but you seem to lack the courage to face that truth. Upon such a foundation you cannot accept or receive any new revelation sent by Jesus.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,22:16) I was born again of the spirit around the 28th of May 1985. I was a hopelessly addicted, wretched human being. Upon complete and utter defeat, I surrendered to God, not even understanding the mercy and power that was to be bestowed upon me. I have never been the same since that day and my life has been dramatically transformed. THE VISIT WITH NICODEMUS
142:6.1 One evening at the home of Flavius there came to see Jesus one Nicodemus, a wealthy and elderly member of the Jewish Sanhedrin. He had heard much about the teachings of this Galilean, and so he went one afternoon to hear him as he taught in the temple courts. He would have gone often to hear Jesus teach, but he feared to be seen by the people in attendance upon his teaching, for already were the rulers of the Jews so at variance with Jesus that no member of the Sanhedrin would want to be identified in any open manner with him. Accordingly, Nicodemus had arranged with Andrew to see Jesus privately and after nightfall on this particular evening. Peter, James, and James were in Flavius’s garden when the interview began, but later they all went into the house where the discourse continued.
142:6.2 In receiving Nicodemus, Jesus showed no particular deference; in talking with him, there was no compromise or undue persuasiveness. The Master made no attempt to repulse his secretive caller, nor did he employ sarcasm. In all his dealings with the distinguished visitor, Jesus was calm, earnest, and dignified. Nicodemus was not an official delegate of the Sanhedrin; he came to see Jesus wholly because of his personal and sincere interest in the Master’s teachings.
142:6.3 Upon being presented by Flavius, Nicodemus said: “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher sent by God, for no mere man could so teach unless God were with him. And I am desirous of knowing more about your teachings regarding the coming kingdom.”
142:6.4 Jesus answered Nicodemus: “Verily, verily, I say toyou, Nicodemus, except a man be born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”Then replied Nicodemus: “But how can a man be born again when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb to be born.”
142:6.5 Jesus said: “Nevertheless, I declare to you, except a man be born of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the spirit is spirit. But you should not marvel that I said you must be born from above. When the wind blows, you hear the rustle of the leaves, but you do not see the wind—whence it comes or whither it goes—and so it is with everyone born of the spirit. With the eyes of the flesh you can behold the manifestations of the spirit, but you cannot actually discern the spirit.”
142:6.6 Nicodemus replied: “But I do not understand—how can that be?” Said Jesus: “Can it be that you are a teacher in Israel and yet ignorant of all this? It becomes, then, the duty of those who know about the realities of the spirit to reveal these things to those who discern only the manifestations of the material world. But will you believe us if we tell you of the heavenly truths? Do you have the courage, Nicodemus, to believe in one who has descended from heaven, even the Son of Man?”
142:6.7 And Nicodemus said: “But how can I begin to lay hold upon this spirit which is to remake me in preparation for entering into the kingdom?” Jesus answered: “Already does the spirit of the Father in heaven indwell you. If you would be led by this spirit from above, very soon would you begin to see with the eyes of the spirit, and then by the wholehearted choice of spirit guidance would you be born of the spirit since your only purpose in living would be to do the will of your Father who is in heaven. And so finding yourself born of the spirit and happily in the kingdom of God, you would begin to bear in your daily life the abundant fruits of the spirit.”
142:6.8 Nicodemus was thoroughly sincere. He was deeply impressed but went away bewildered. Nicodemus was accomplished in self-development, in self-restraint, and even in high moral qualities. He was refined, egoistic, and altruistic; but he did not know how to submit his will to the will of the divine Father as a little child is willing to submit to the guidance and leading of a wise and loving earthly father, thereby becoming in reality a son of God, a progressive heir of the eternal kingdom.
142:6.9 But Nicodemus did summon faith enough to lay hold of the kingdom. He faintly protested when his colleagues of the Sanhedrin sought to condemn Jesus without a hearing; and with Joseph of Arimathea, he later boldly acknowledged his faith and claimed the body of Jesus, even when most of the disciples had fled in fear from the scenes of their Master’s final suffering and death.” UB
Colter
Colter.But no one is born again yet, except Jesus,dont you know that? You are not alone.
True believers are begotten of God,not born again.
Pinch yourself;if you feel pain than you are still flesh, not spirit.You are born of water; you are flesh.
You are born of the spirit; you are spirit.This is another topic.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 23 2012,09:01) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,22:16) I was born again of the spirit around the 28th of May 1985. I was a hopelessly addicted, wretched human being. Upon complete and utter defeat, I surrendered to God, not even understanding the mercy and power that was to be bestowed upon me. I have never been the same since that day and my life has been dramatically transformed. THE VISIT WITH NICODEMUS
142:6.1 One evening at the home of Flavius there came to see Jesus one Nicodemus, a wealthy and elderly member of the Jewish Sanhedrin. He had heard much about the teachings of this Galilean, and so he went one afternoon to hear him as he taught in the temple courts. He would have gone often to hear Jesus teach, but he feared to be seen by the people in attendance upon his teaching, for already were the rulers of the Jews so at variance with Jesus that no member of the Sanhedrin would want to be identified in any open manner with him. Accordingly, Nicodemus had arranged with Andrew to see Jesus privately and after nightfall on this particular evening. Peter, James, and James were in Flavius’s garden when the interview began, but later they all went into the house where the discourse continued.
142:6.2 In receiving Nicodemus, Jesus showed no particular deference; in talking with him, there was no compromise or undue persuasiveness. The Master made no attempt to repulse his secretive caller, nor did he employ sarcasm. In all his dealings with the distinguished visitor, Jesus was calm, earnest, and dignified. Nicodemus was not an official delegate of the Sanhedrin; he came to see Jesus wholly because of his personal and sincere interest in the Master’s teachings.
142:6.3 Upon being presented by Flavius, Nicodemus said: “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher sent by God, for no mere man could so teach unless God were with him. And I am desirous of knowing more about your teachings regarding the coming kingdom.”
142:6.4 Jesus answered Nicodemus: “Verily, verily, I say toyou, Nicodemus, except a man be born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”Then replied Nicodemus: “But how can a man be born again when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb to be born.”
142:6.5 Jesus said: “Nevertheless, I declare to you, except a man be born of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the spirit is spirit. But you should not marvel that I said you must be born from above. When the wind blows, you hear the rustle of the leaves, but you do not see the wind—whence it comes or whither it goes—and so it is with everyone born of the spirit. With the eyes of the flesh you can behold the manifestations of the spirit, but you cannot actually discern the spirit.”
142:6.6 Nicodemus replied: “But I do not understand—how can that be?” Said Jesus: “Can it be that you are a teacher in Israel and yet ignorant of all this? It becomes, then, the duty of those who know about the realities of the spirit to reveal these things to those who discern only the manifestations of the material world. But will you believe us if we tell you of the heavenly truths? Do you have the courage, Nicodemus, to believe in one who has descended from heaven, even the Son of Man?”
142:6.7 And Nicodemus said: “But how can I begin to lay hold upon this spirit which is to remake me in preparation for entering into the kingdom?” Jesus answered: “Already does the spirit of the Father in heaven indwell you. If you would be led by this spirit from above, very soon would you begin to see with the eyes of the spirit, and then by the wholehearted choice of spirit guidance would you be born of the spirit since your only purpose in living would be to do the will of your Father who is in heaven. And so finding yourself born of the spirit and happily in the kingdom of God, you would begin to bear in your daily life the abundant fruits of the spirit.”
142:6.8 Nicodemus was thoroughly sincere. He was deeply impressed but went away bewildered. Nicodemus was accomplished in self-development, in self-restraint, and even in high moral qualities. He was refined, egoistic, and altruistic; but he did not know how to submit his will to the will of the divine Father as a little child is willing to submit to the guidance and leading of a wise and loving earthly father, thereby becoming in reality a son of God, a progressive heir of the eternal kingdom.
142:6.9 But Nicodemus did summon faith enough to lay hold of the kingdom. He faintly protested when his colleagues of the Sanhedrin sought to condemn Jesus without a hearing; and with Joseph of Arimathea, he later boldly acknowledged his faith and claimed the body of Jesus, even when most of the disciples had fled in fear from the scenes of their Master’s final suffering and death.” UB
Colter
Colter.But no one is born again yet, except Jesus,dont you know that? You are not alone.
True believers are begotten of God,not born again.
Pinch yourself;if you feel pain than you are still flesh, not spirit.You are born of water; you are flesh.
You are born of the spirit; you are spirit.This is another topic.
wakeup.
I have been born again.Jesus taught of spiritual rebirth.
You have not been born again, if you ever are then you will understand what the reborn have experienced.
Now, there is an exception, It may be that you have not been in need of a “rebirth”, perhaps you have been spiritual all along. That was not the case with me.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,23:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2012,23:14) Colter. This seem to be a copy of the new testament,that you have refuted. One can not pick and choose some scriptures and reject other scriptures.
Either you take the whole package,or you dont.wakeup.
Wakeup,I have not refuted the NT, your all or nothing way of thinking is your problem, not mine. That is the religion of book worship, of making a book a God. They have done that to you, you bought into the fear based manipulation. You don't set the standard of my faith, God does.
The evil of “all or nothing” rejected and killed Jesus, but you seem to lack the courage to face that truth. Upon such a foundation you cannot accept or receive any new revelation sent by Jesus.
Colter
Colter.You say one thing and do another thing.
You just said that you did not refute the NT,but at the same time you are calling Paul a great apostle chosen by Christ an evil man?The NT. is mostly written by Paul? so what are you realy saying? where do you realy stand?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 23 2012,12:21) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,23:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2012,23:14) Colter. This seem to be a copy of the new testament,that you have refuted. One can not pick and choose some scriptures and reject other scriptures.
Either you take the whole package,or you dont.wakeup.
Wakeup,I have not refuted the NT, your all or nothing way of thinking is your problem, not mine. That is the religion of book worship, of making a book a God. They have done that to you, you bought into the fear based manipulation. You don't set the standard of my faith, God does.
The evil of “all or nothing” rejected and killed Jesus, but you seem to lack the courage to face that truth. Upon such a foundation you cannot accept or receive any new revelation sent by Jesus.
Colter
Colter.You say one thing and do another thing.
You just said that you did not refute the NT,but at the same time you are calling Paul a great apostle chosen by Christ an evil man?The NT. is mostly written by Paul? so what are you realy saying? where do you realy stand?
wakeup.
I believe many things in the NT.I believe Paul was a charismatic preacher, he was the first, there have been many who claimed they were chosen by Christ.
You make Paul equal with Jesus, I don't.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,21:24) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 22 2012,13:05) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,12:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2012,09:09) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,08:40) Yes I see: 1 Corinthians 15:9
“For I am the least of the apostles, who am not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.”
Colter
Colter.What happened to understanding scriptures?
It has gone out the window.wakeup.
Ed has something in his magic insights about the use of “I am”, I had asked him to explain but he only asks questions but doesn't answer.Colter
Hi Colter,I did not know that you wanted to discuss the matter.
But if you do: here is the link to the thread. (Link)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Oh good grief! That's it? That's all?This is what happens when one over analyse's the fetish of scripture with the idolatrous theory that they contain secret codes and deep mysteries beyond the spiritual content.
Colter
SpinQuote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2012,15:42) Colter. All Ed does is provide you with a link.
You mentioned born again; is this in the U.B?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup and Colter,The link is to provide proof if you REALLY want
to discuss the matter; but it is obvious that you REALLY don't!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,22:16)
I was born again of the spirit around the 28th of May 1985. I was a hopelessly addicted, wretched human being. Upon complete and utter defeat, I surrendered to God, not even understanding the mercy and power that was to be bestowed upon me. I have never been the same since that day and my life has been dramatically transformed.Colter
Hi Colter,When were you exposed to the UB?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,23:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2012,23:14) Colter. This seem to be a copy of the new testament,that you have refuted. One can not pick and choose some scriptures and reject other scriptures.
Either you take the whole package,or you dont.wakeup.
Wakeup,I have not refuted the NT, your all or nothing way of thinking is your problem, not mine. That is the religion of book worship, of making a book a God. They have done that to you, you bought into the fear based manipulation. You don't set the standard of my faith, God does.
The evil of “all or nothing” rejected and killed Jesus, but you seem to lack the courage to face that truth. Upon such a foundation you cannot accept or receive any new revelation sent by Jesus.
Colter
Hi Colter,This is the second time you seem to imply to those who disagree with your brand of doctrine –
that they would have been the ones who crucified Christ – do you actually believe this?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ Aug. 23 2012,09:01) Colter. But no one is born again yet, except Jesus,dont you know that? You are not alone.
True believers are begotten of God,not born again.
Pinch yourself;if you feel pain than you are still flesh, not spirit.You are born of water; you are flesh.
You are born of the spirit; you are spirit.This is another topic.
wakeup.
Hi Wake-up, (Rom.8:9)Pinch yourself – does the spirit of God dwell in you?
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit,
if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.”God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2012,14:05) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,23:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2012,23:14) Colter. This seem to be a copy of the new testament,that you have refuted. One can not pick and choose some scriptures and reject other scriptures.
Either you take the whole package,or you dont.wakeup.
Wakeup,I have not refuted the NT, your all or nothing way of thinking is your problem, not mine. That is the religion of book worship, of making a book a God. They have done that to you, you bought into the fear based manipulation. You don't set the standard of my faith, God does.
The evil of “all or nothing” rejected and killed Jesus, but you seem to lack the courage to face that truth. Upon such a foundation you cannot accept or receive any new revelation sent by Jesus.
Colter
Hi Colter,This is the second time you seem to imply to those who disagree with your brand of doctrine –
that they would have been the ones who crucified Christ – do you actually believe this?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I've said it more then twice, and I will say it again, Jesus wasn't killed by Atheist, agnostics, secular progressives, Liberals or humanist, the liberating spiritual truths taught by Jesus were rejected by, the Son of God was falsely accused by, he was put through a trumped up trial by, tortured and murdered by, closed minded >religion< , by the creators and keepers of the books of the OT.The cowards that closed their minds and hearts to the living word hid behind the doctrine of supposed inspiration of the OT books in order to withstand the new teachings of Jesus.
They would not allow their hearts to perceive truth; rather they surrendered that right in exchange for contrived scriptural authority. First the shamans of religion convince the ignorant populace that their books were written by God, then no matter what is in them will be believed through manipulative threat of a loss of salvation, public humiliation, disfellowship and even death.
To date, all of your arguments against the content of the UB have been based on the same brand of legalism and technicality; you only seem to believe the Bible because it has been established as the authority and reject the UB because it is not and established authority regardless of the content.
So yes, you have NOT demonstrated that, based on the same mind set, you would have accepted Jesus with you learned, head full of scripture.
It was the common people who heard Jesus gladly while the learned Rabbi's, Pharisees and Sanhedrist rejected him. And notice, of the 12 apostles NONE of them were of the elite priest class of his day.
The specific answer to your question is yes.
Colter
Quote To date, all of your arguments against the content of the UB have been based on the same brand of legalism and technicality; you only seem to believe the Bible because it has been established as the authority and reject the UB because it is not and established authority regardless of the content. this is the same answer received from any false teacher that want to promote his own book ,
Mormons.Islam the Koran,U.B. and others ……
NO ONE CAN ELEVATE HIMSELF IN THIS WORLD WITHOUT LOWERING THE OTHER.
SO LET ALL BE LOWERED BEFORE GODS WORD,BECAUSE NONE HIS HIGHER AS A MEN.and the UB is not the word of God
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,00:35) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2012,14:05) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,23:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2012,23:14) Colter. This seem to be a copy of the new testament,that you have refuted. One can not pick and choose some scriptures and reject other scriptures.
Either you take the whole package,or you dont.wakeup.
Wakeup,I have not refuted the NT, your all or nothing way of thinking is your problem, not mine. That is the religion of book worship, of making a book a God. They have done that to you, you bought into the fear based manipulation. You don't set the standard of my faith, God does.
The evil of “all or nothing” rejected and killed Jesus, but you seem to lack the courage to face that truth. Upon such a foundation you cannot accept or receive any new revelation sent by Jesus.
Colter
Hi Colter,This is the second time you seem to imply to those who disagree with your brand of doctrine –
that they would have been the ones who crucified Christ – do you actually believe this?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgThe specific answer to your question is yes.
Colter
“And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:” (2 Thess 2:11)Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,00:35)
I've said it more then twice, and I will say it again, Jesus wasn't killed by Atheist, agnostics, secular progressives, Liberals or humanist, the liberating spiritual truths taught by Jesus were rejected by, the Son of God was falsely accused by, he was put through a trumped up trial by, tortured and murdered by, closed minded >religion< , by the creators and keepers of the books of the OT.The cowards that closed their minds and hearts to the living word hid behind the doctrine of supposed inspiration of the OT books in order to withstand the new teachings of Jesus.
They would not allow their hearts to perceive truth; rather they surrendered that right in exchange for contrived scriptural authority. First the shamans of religion convince the ignorant populace that their books were written by God, then no matter what is in them will be believed through manipulative threat of a loss of salvation, public humiliation, disfellowship and even death.
To date, all of your arguments against the content of the UB have been based on the same brand of legalism and technicality; you only seem to believe the Bible because it has been established as the authority and reject the UB because it is not and established authority regardless of the content.
So yes, you have NOT demonstrated that, based on the same mind set, you would have accepted Jesus with you learned, head full of scripture.
It was the common people who heard Jesus gladly while the learned Rabbi's, Pharisees and Sanhedrist rejected him. And notice, of the 12 apostles NONE of them were of the elite priest class of his day.
The specific answer to your question is yes.
Colter
Hi Colter,You forget that I for one happen to be familiar with the content of the UB.
And as you yourself have said…
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2012,09:47) The UB does not claim to be the word of God, … so why should you care if we reject it?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,01:22) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,00:35) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2012,14:05) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,23:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2012,23:14) Colter. This seem to be a copy of the new testament,that you have refuted. One can not pick and choose some scriptures and reject other scriptures.
Either you take the whole package,or you dont.wakeup.
Wakeup,I have not refuted the NT, your all or nothing way of thinking is your problem, not mine. That is the religion of book worship, of making a book a God. They have done that to you, you bought into the fear based manipulation. You don't set the standard of my faith, God does.
The evil of “all or nothing” rejected and killed Jesus, but you seem to lack the courage to face that truth. Upon such a foundation you cannot accept or receive any new revelation sent by Jesus.
Colter
Hi Colter,This is the second time you seem to imply to those who disagree with your brand of doctrine –
that they would have been the ones who crucified Christ – do you actually believe this?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgThe specific answer to your question is yes.
Colter
“And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:” (2 Thess 2:11)
Same stuff, different era, besides, it's the will of God in our hearts that we are to believe in and be lead by, not the “golden calf” of the narratives written about God sifted trough mans bias mind.Jesus went on to speak of the creators of creeds and doctrines:
“Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,02:37) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,01:22) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,00:35) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2012,14:05) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,23:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2012,23:14) Colter. This seem to be a copy of the new testament,that you have refuted. One can not pick and choose some scriptures and reject other scriptures.
Either you take the whole package,or you dont.wakeup.
Wakeup,I have not refuted the NT, your all or nothing way of thinking is your problem, not mine. That is the religion of book worship, of making a book a God. They have done that to you, you bought into the fear based manipulation. You don't set the standard of my faith, God does.
The evil of “all or nothing” rejected and killed Jesus, but you seem to lack the courage to face that truth. Upon such a foundation you cannot accept or receive any new revelation sent by Jesus.
Colter
Hi Colter,This is the second time you seem to imply to those who disagree with your brand of doctrine –
that they would have been the ones who crucified Christ – do you actually believe this?God bless
Ed JThe specific answer to your question is yes.
Colter
“And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:” (2 Thess 2:11)
Same stuff, different era, besides, it's the will of God in our hearts that we are to believe in and be lead by, not the “golden calf” of the narratives written about God sifted trough mans bias mind.Jesus went on to speak of the creators of creeds and doctrines:
“Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.
Colter
Hi Colter,The lie you are believing is: that those of us who are not
combative, vindictive nor violent would sanction such.
It is you, therefore, who are doing the dividing.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,01:23) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,00:35)
I've said it more then twice, and I will say it again, Jesus wasn't killed by Atheist, agnostics, secular progressives, Liberals or humanist, the liberating spiritual truths taught by Jesus were rejected by, the Son of God was falsely accused by, he was put through a trumped up trial by, tortured and murdered by, closed minded >religion< , by the creators and keepers of the books of the OT.The cowards that closed their minds and hearts to the living word hid behind the doctrine of supposed inspiration of the OT books in order to withstand the new teachings of Jesus.
They would not allow their hearts to perceive truth; rather they surrendered that right in exchange for contrived scriptural authority. First the shamans of religion convince the ignorant populace that their books were written by God, then no matter what is in them will be believed through manipulative threat of a loss of salvation, public humiliation, disfellowship and even death.
To date, all of your arguments against the content of the UB have been based on the same brand of legalism and technicality; you only seem to believe the Bible because it has been established as the authority and reject the UB because it is not and established authority regardless of the content.
So yes, you have NOT demonstrated that, based on the same mind set, you would have accepted Jesus with you learned, head full of scripture.
It was the common people who heard Jesus gladly while the learned Rabbi's, Pharisees and Sanhedrist rejected him. And notice, of the 12 apostles NONE of them were of the elite priest class of his day.
The specific answer to your question is yes.
Colter
Hi Colter,You forget that I for one happen to be familiar with the content of the UB.
And as you yourself have said…
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2012,09:47) The UB does not claim to be the word of God, … so why should you care if we reject it?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No, you forget that you only read 60% of the UB, you DID NOT read part 4, the most important part of the book! That would be exactly like reading the OT but then telling people you are “familiar” with the bible.The bible doesn’t call itself the word of God from the beginning, there is NO claim or acknowledgement that the Bible starts out with the intent of being inspired by God, it's written by the Hebrew priest. Even then the authors are writing about “the word” they don't claim their narrative itself to BE”the word”.
What scripture predates Genesis? If Genesis were written by Moses then where is the previous record? Moses established new laws and reforms, what were the previous “words of God” during the 400 years of Egyptian captivity, the thousands of years before that? NONE! NOPE! NOTTA! GONE! NOT PRESERVED!
Colter
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