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- August 17, 2012 at 10:35 pm#333629SpockParticipant
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2012,09:27) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2012,08:25) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 17 2012,22:24) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 17 2012,21:49) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 17 2012,20:34) Hi Colter, Are you calling those who believe the bible – 'fetish of Bible worship'?
God bless
Ed J
YesColter
Then you believing the UB book would be 'fetish of UB worship', right?No Ed
Hi Colter,Is that not being hypocritical on your part?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No Ed, the Bible does not claim to be inspired, the authors of the Bible were human. The Bible does not claim to be the word of God, church authorities made it :the word” in order to control.Colter
August 17, 2012 at 10:45 pm#333630Ed JParticipantQuote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2012,09:35) Ed, (1)the Bible does not claim to be inspired, the authors of the Bible were human. (2)The Bible does not claim to be the word of God, church authorities made it :the word” in order to control. Colter
Hi Colter, wrong on both accounts, perhaps
you need to read the bible some more.1) “All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
correction, for instruction in righteousness:” (2 Tim 3:16)2) “The Lord gave the word: great was the company
of those that published it.” (Psalms 68:11)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgAugust 17, 2012 at 10:47 pm#333631SpockParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2012,09:29) You say believing in one book is a fetish but not the another? Please explain why YOU believe this, in YOUR own words? (no cut and paste please)
The UB does not claim to be the word of God, it claims to be the work of celestial authors who know of where they speak, yet they do not claim divine perfection.2000, years from know, man's understanding of science, history and spirituality will be so vastly different that the UB will stand in need of revision. The celestial authors acknowledge this.
As for me, I knew that Genesis was a load of crap when I was a child. This nonsense of a God being disappointed in something he had done……a 500 year old man gathering two of every living thing in the world and puting it all on a boat, floating around for a year…..only to be found passed out drunk and naked in his tent! Shame on any adult who teaches that garbage to young trusting minds!!!!
There are very few elements of factual truth in the exaggerated histories written by the Hebrews about themselves.
Colter
August 17, 2012 at 10:51 pm#333632SpockParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2012,09:45) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2012,09:35) Ed, (1)the Bible does not claim to be inspired, the authors of the Bible were human. (2)The Bible does not claim to be the word of God, church authorities made it :the word” in order to control. Colter
Hi Colter, wrong on both accounts, perhaps
you need to read the bible some more.1) “All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
correction, for instruction in righteousness:” (2 Tim 3:16)2) “The Lord gave the word: great was the company
of those that published it.” (Psalms 68:11)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No Ed, maybe you need to use your head, when Paul wrote that he wasn't referencing to what he was writing! Besides, just because men were inspired to write does not mean that what they wrote was perfect or that others did not molest their original writings.Do you think the leadership of the Catholic church has been perfect Ed?
Colter
August 17, 2012 at 10:57 pm#333633Ed JParticipantCatholics did not write the bible.
August 17, 2012 at 11:00 pm#333634Ed JParticipantQuote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2012,09:51) when Paul wrote that he wasn't referencing to what he was writing!
Oh No?“Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds;
but the word of God is not bound.” (2 Timothy 2:9)
You truly do need to study more my friend.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgAugust 17, 2012 at 11:04 pm#333635Ed JParticipant“And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;
even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto
him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood,
which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the OTHER scriptures, unto their own destruction.” (2 Peter 3:15-16)August 17, 2012 at 11:55 pm#333636WakeupParticipantQuote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2012,09:47) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2012,09:29) You say believing in one book is a fetish but not the another? Please explain why YOU believe this, in YOUR own words? (no cut and paste please)
The UB does not claim to be the word of God, it claims to be the work of celestial authors who know of where they speak, yet they do not claim divine perfection.2000, years from know, man's understanding of science, history and spirituality will be so vastly different that the UB will stand in need of revision. The celestial authors acknowledge this.
As for me, I knew that Genesis was a load of crap when I was a child. This nonsense of a God being disappointed in something he had done……a 500 year old man gathering two of every living thing in the world and puting it all on a boat, floating around for a year…..only to be found passed out drunk and naked in his tent! Shame on any adult who teaches that garbage to young trusting minds!!!!
There are very few elements of factual truth in the exaggerated histories written by the Hebrews about themselves.
Colter
Colter.1 cor.1:18.For the preaching of the CROSS is to them that perish FOOLISHNESS; but unto us which are saved it is the POWER of God.
1Cor.1:23. But we preach Christ crucified, unto the jews a STUMBLINGBLOCK,and unto the greeks FOOLISHNSS.
V.25. Because the FOOLISHNESS of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is STRONGER than men.
1cor. 3:19. For the wisdom of this world is FOOLISHNESS with God. For it is written,He TAKETH the wise in their own CRAFTINESS.
2cor.4:3. But if our gospel be HID,it is HID to them that are LOST.
wakeup.
August 18, 2012 at 10:20 am#333637SpockParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2012,10:00) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2012,09:51) when Paul wrote that he wasn't referencing to what he was writing!
Oh No?“Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds;
but the word of God is not bound.” (2 Timothy 2:9)
You truly do need to study more my friend.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I'm aware of that, therefore you would believe anything, not because it sounds remotely true or even possible, but because it's in the book. That is precisely the brand of moral cowardice that the religious authorities used to reject and kill Jesus. After all, they were merely following their law which they claimed God wrote.Colter
August 18, 2012 at 10:28 am#333638SpockParticipantQuote (Wakeup @ Aug. 18 2012,10:55) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2012,09:47) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2012,09:29) You say believing in one book is a fetish but not the another? Please explain why YOU believe this, in YOUR own words? (no cut and paste please)
The UB does not claim to be the word of God, it claims to be the work of celestial authors who know of where they speak, yet they do not claim divine perfection.2000, years from know, man's understanding of science, history and spirituality will be so vastly different that the UB will stand in need of revision. The celestial authors acknowledge this.
As for me, I knew that Genesis was a load of crap when I was a child. This nonsense of a God being disappointed in something he had done……a 500 year old man gathering two of every living thing in the world and puting it all on a boat, floating around for a year…..only to be found passed out drunk and naked in his tent! Shame on any adult who teaches that garbage to young trusting minds!!!!
There are very few elements of factual truth in the exaggerated histories written by the Hebrews about themselves.
Colter
Colter.1 cor.1:18.For the preaching of the CROSS is to them that perish FOOLISHNESS; but unto us which are saved it is the POWER of God.
1Cor.1:23. But we preach Christ crucified, unto the jews a STUMBLINGBLOCK,and unto the greeks FOOLISHNSS.
V.25. Because the FOOLISHNESS of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is STRONGER than men.
1cor. 3:19. For the wisdom of this world is FOOLISHNESS with God. For it is written,He TAKETH the wise in their own CRAFTINESS.
2cor.4:3. But if our gospel be HID,it is HID to them that are LOST.
wakeup.
There is living truth in those words, but God did not write it, a human mind expressed it. It is a glorious snapshot in time, an expression of one mans faith, not meant to be petrified into Law.I feel confident that Paul would be floored to find out that even his simple letters had been petrified into “Gods word”.
The scripture is “profitable”, some more so then others, But it most certainly was not penned by God.
Colter
August 18, 2012 at 3:06 pm#333639WakeupParticipantQuote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2012,21:28) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 18 2012,10:55) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2012,09:47) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2012,09:29) You say believing in one book is a fetish but not the another? Please explain why YOU believe this, in YOUR own words? (no cut and paste please)
The UB does not claim to be the word of God, it claims to be the work of celestial authors who know of where they speak, yet they do not claim divine perfection.2000, years from know, man's understanding of science, history and spirituality will be so vastly different that the UB will stand in need of revision. The celestial authors acknowledge this.
As for me, I knew that Genesis was a load of crap when I was a child. This nonsense of a God being disappointed in something he had done……a 500 year old man gathering two of every living thing in the world and puting it all on a boat, floating around for a year…..only to be found passed out drunk and naked in his tent! Shame on any adult who teaches that garbage to young trusting minds!!!!
There are very few elements of factual truth in the exaggerated histories written by the Hebrews about themselves.
Colter
Colter.1 cor.1:18.For the preaching of the CROSS is to them that perish FOOLISHNESS; but unto us which are saved it is the POWER of God.
1Cor.1:23. But we preach Christ crucified, unto the jews a STUMBLINGBLOCK,and unto the greeks FOOLISHNSS.
V.25. Because the FOOLISHNESS of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is STRONGER than men.
1cor. 3:19. For the wisdom of this world is FOOLISHNESS with God. For it is written,He TAKETH the wise in their own CRAFTINESS.
2cor.4:3. But if our gospel be HID,it is HID to them that are LOST.
wakeup.
There is living truth in those words, but God did not write it, a human mind expressed it. It is a glorious snapshot in time, an expression of one mans faith, not meant to be petrified into Law.I feel confident that Paul would be floored to find out that even his simple letters had been petrified into “Gods word”.
The scripture is “profitable”, some more so then others, But it most certainly was not penned by God.
Colter
Colter.Not penned by God yes; but inspired by God,through the Holy spirit,the SPIRIT of TRUTH.
wakeup.
August 20, 2012 at 1:03 am#333640SpockParticipantThe Bestowals of Christ Michael
(1308.1) 119:0.1 CHIEF of the Evening Stars of Nebadon, I am assigned to Urantia by Gabriel on the mission of revealing the story of the seven bestowals of the Universe Sovereign, Michael of Nebadon, and my name is Gavalia. In making this presentation, I will adhere strictly to the limitations imposed by my commission.
(1308.2) 119:0.2 The attribute of bestowal is inherent in the Paradise Sons of the Universal Father. In their desire to come close to the life experiences of their subordinate living creatures, the various orders of the Paradise Sons are reflecting the divine nature of their Paradise parents. The Eternal Son of the Paradise Trinity led the way in this practice, having seven times bestowed himself upon the seven circuits of Havona during the times of the ascension of Grandfanda and the first of the pilgrims from time and space. And the Eternal Son continues to bestow himself upon the local universes of space in the persons of his representatives, the Michael and Avonal Sons.
(1308.3) 119:0.3 When the Eternal Son bestows a Creator Son upon a projected local universe, that Creator Son assumes full responsibility for the completion, control, and composure of that new universe, including the solemn oath to the eternal Trinity not to assume full sovereignty of the new creation until his seven creature bestowals shall have been successfully completed and certified by the Ancients of Days of the superuniverse of jurisdiction. This obligation is assumed by every Michael Son who volunteers to go out from Paradise to engage in universe organization and creation.
(1308.4) 119:0.4 The purpose of these creature incarnations is to enable such Creators to become wise, sympathetic, just, and understanding sovereigns. These divine Sons are innately just, but they become understandingly merciful as a result of these successive bestowal experiences; they are naturally merciful, but these experiences make them merciful in new and additional ways. These bestowals are the last steps in their education and training for the sublime tasks of ruling the local universes in divine righteousness and by just judgment.
(1308.5) 119:0.5 Though numerous incidental benefits accrue to the various worlds, systems, and constellations, as well as to the different orders of universe intelligences affected and benefited by these bestowals, still they are primarily designed to complete the personal training and universe education of a Creator Son himself. These bestowals are not essential to the wise, just, and efficient management of a local universe, but they are absolutely necessary to a fair, merciful, and understanding administration of such a creation, teeming with its varied forms of life and its myriads of intelligent but imperfect creatures.
(1308.6) 119:0.6 The Michael Sons begin their work of universe organization with a full and just sympathy for the various orders of beings whom they have created. They have vast stores of mercy for all these differing creatures, even pity for those who err and flounder in the selfish mire of their own production. But such endowments of justice and righteousness will not suffice in the estimate of the Ancients of Days. These triune rulers of the superuniverses will never certify a Creator Son as Universe Sovereign until he has really acquired the viewpoint of his own creatures by actual experience in the environment of their existence and as these very creatures themselves. In this way such Sons become intelligent and understanding rulers; they come to know the various groups over which they rule and exercise universe authority. By living experience they possess themselves of practical mercy, fair judgment, and the patience born of experiential creature existence.
(1309.1) 119:0.7 The local universe of Nebadon is now ruled by a Creator Son who has completed his service of bestowal; he reigns in just and merciful supremacy over all the vast realms of his evolving and perfecting universe. Michael of Nebadon is the 611,121st bestowal of the Eternal Son upon the universes of time and space, and he began the organization of your local universe about four hundred billion years ago. Michael made ready for his first bestowal adventure about the time Urantia was taking on its present form, one billion years ago. His bestowals have occurred about one hundred and fifty million years apart, the last taking place on Urantia nineteen hundred years ago. I will now proceed to unfold the nature and character of these bestowals as fully as my commission permits.
http://www.urantia.org/urantia….esult-0
Colter
August 20, 2012 at 11:20 am#333641WakeupParticipantQuote (Colter @ Aug. 20 2012,12:03) The Bestowals of Christ Michael (1308.1) 119:0.1 CHIEF of the Evening Stars of Nebadon, I am assigned to Urantia by Gabriel on the mission of revealing the story of the seven bestowals of the Universe Sovereign, Michael of Nebadon, and my name is Gavalia. In making this presentation, I will adhere strictly to the limitations imposed by my commission.
(1308.2) 119:0.2 The attribute of bestowal is inherent in the Paradise Sons of the Universal Father. In their desire to come close to the life experiences of their subordinate living creatures, the various orders of the Paradise Sons are reflecting the divine nature of their Paradise parents. The Eternal Son of the Paradise Trinity led the way in this practice, having seven times bestowed himself upon the seven circuits of Havona during the times of the ascension of Grandfanda and the first of the pilgrims from time and space. And the Eternal Son continues to bestow himself upon the local universes of space in the persons of his representatives, the Michael and Avonal Sons.
(1308.3) 119:0.3 When the Eternal Son bestows a Creator Son upon a projected local universe, that Creator Son assumes full responsibility for the completion, control, and composure of that new universe, including the solemn oath to the eternal Trinity not to assume full sovereignty of the new creation until his seven creature bestowals shall have been successfully completed and certified by the Ancients of Days of the superuniverse of jurisdiction. This obligation is assumed by every Michael Son who volunteers to go out from Paradise to engage in universe organization and creation.
(1308.4) 119:0.4 The purpose of these creature incarnations is to enable such Creators to become wise, sympathetic, just, and understanding sovereigns. These divine Sons are innately just, but they become understandingly merciful as a result of these successive bestowal experiences; they are naturally merciful, but these experiences make them merciful in new and additional ways. These bestowals are the last steps in their education and training for the sublime tasks of ruling the local universes in divine righteousness and by just judgment.
(1308.5) 119:0.5 Though numerous incidental benefits accrue to the various worlds, systems, and constellations, as well as to the different orders of universe intelligences affected and benefited by these bestowals, still they are primarily designed to complete the personal training and universe education of a Creator Son himself. These bestowals are not essential to the wise, just, and efficient management of a local universe, but they are absolutely necessary to a fair, merciful, and understanding administration of such a creation, teeming with its varied forms of life and its myriads of intelligent but imperfect creatures.
(1308.6) 119:0.6 The Michael Sons begin their work of universe organization with a full and just sympathy for the various orders of beings whom they have created. They have vast stores of mercy for all these differing creatures, even pity for those who err and flounder in the selfish mire of their own production. But such endowments of justice and righteousness will not suffice in the estimate of the Ancients of Days. These triune rulers of the superuniverses will never certify a Creator Son as Universe Sovereign until he has really acquired the viewpoint of his own creatures by actual experience in the environment of their existence and as these very creatures themselves. In this way such Sons become intelligent and understanding rulers; they come to know the various groups over which they rule and exercise universe authority. By living experience they possess themselves of practical mercy, fair judgment, and the patience born of experiential creature existence.
(1309.1) 119:0.7 The local universe of Nebadon is now ruled by a Creator Son who has completed his service of bestowal; he reigns in just and merciful supremacy over all the vast realms of his evolving and perfecting universe. Michael of Nebadon is the 611,121st bestowal of the Eternal Son upon the universes of time and space, and he began the organization of your local universe about four hundred billion years ago. Michael made ready for his first bestowal adventure about the time Urantia was taking on its present form, one billion years ago. His bestowals have occurred about one hundred and fifty million years apart, the last taking place on Urantia nineteen hundred years ago. I will now proceed to unfold the nature and character of these bestowals as fully as my commission permits.
http://www.urantia.org/urantia….esult-0
Colter
Colter .Do you call that the gospel? I dont think so.
Jesus said: And THIS GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM SHALL BE PREACHED IN ALL THE WORLD FOR A WITNESS.No U.B. mentioned,BECAUSE ITS NOT HIS.
ITS A STRANGER TRYING TO COME IN.wakeup.
August 20, 2012 at 8:19 pm#333642SpockParticipantQuote (Wakeup @ Aug. 20 2012,22:20) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 20 2012,12:03) The Bestowals of Christ Michael (1308.1) 119:0.1 CHIEF of the Evening Stars of Nebadon, I am assigned to Urantia by Gabriel on the mission of revealing the story of the seven bestowals of the Universe Sovereign, Michael of Nebadon, and my name is Gavalia. In making this presentation, I will adhere strictly to the limitations imposed by my commission.
(1308.2) 119:0.2 The attribute of bestowal is inherent in the Paradise Sons of the Universal Father. In their desire to come close to the life experiences of their subordinate living creatures, the various orders of the Paradise Sons are reflecting the divine nature of their Paradise parents. The Eternal Son of the Paradise Trinity led the way in this practice, having seven times bestowed himself upon the seven circuits of Havona during the times of the ascension of Grandfanda and the first of the pilgrims from time and space. And the Eternal Son continues to bestow himself upon the local universes of space in the persons of his representatives, the Michael and Avonal Sons.
(1308.3) 119:0.3 When the Eternal Son bestows a Creator Son upon a projected local universe, that Creator Son assumes full responsibility for the completion, control, and composure of that new universe, including the solemn oath to the eternal Trinity not to assume full sovereignty of the new creation until his seven creature bestowals shall have been successfully completed and certified by the Ancients of Days of the superuniverse of jurisdiction. This obligation is assumed by every Michael Son who volunteers to go out from Paradise to engage in universe organization and creation.
(1308.4) 119:0.4 The purpose of these creature incarnations is to enable such Creators to become wise, sympathetic, just, and understanding sovereigns. These divine Sons are innately just, but they become understandingly merciful as a result of these successive bestowal experiences; they are naturally merciful, but these experiences make them merciful in new and additional ways. These bestowals are the last steps in their education and training for the sublime tasks of ruling the local universes in divine righteousness and by just judgment.
(1308.5) 119:0.5 Though numerous incidental benefits accrue to the various worlds, systems, and constellations, as well as to the different orders of universe intelligences affected and benefited by these bestowals, still they are primarily designed to complete the personal training and universe education of a Creator Son himself. These bestowals are not essential to the wise, just, and efficient management of a local universe, but they are absolutely necessary to a fair, merciful, and understanding administration of such a creation, teeming with its varied forms of life and its myriads of intelligent but imperfect creatures.
(1308.6) 119:0.6 The Michael Sons begin their work of universe organization with a full and just sympathy for the various orders of beings whom they have created. They have vast stores of mercy for all these differing creatures, even pity for those who err and flounder in the selfish mire of their own production. But such endowments of justice and righteousness will not suffice in the estimate of the Ancients of Days. These triune rulers of the superuniverses will never certify a Creator Son as Universe Sovereign until he has really acquired the viewpoint of his own creatures by actual experience in the environment of their existence and as these very creatures themselves. In this way such Sons become intelligent and understanding rulers; they come to know the various groups over which they rule and exercise universe authority. By living experience they possess themselves of practical mercy, fair judgment, and the patience born of experiential creature existence.
(1309.1) 119:0.7 The local universe of Nebadon is now ruled by a Creator Son who has completed his service of bestowal; he reigns in just and merciful supremacy over all the vast realms of his evolving and perfecting universe. Michael of Nebadon is the 611,121st bestowal of the Eternal Son upon the universes of time and space, and he began the organization of your local universe about four hundred billion years ago. Michael made ready for his first bestowal adventure about the time Urantia was taking on its present form, one billion years ago. His bestowals have occurred about one hundred and fifty million years apart, the last taking place on Urantia nineteen hundred years ago. I will now proceed to unfold the nature and character of these bestowals as fully as my commission permits.
http://www.urantia.org/urantia….esult-0
Colter
Colter .Do you call that the gospel? I dont think so.
Jesus said: And THIS GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM SHALL BE PREACHED IN ALL THE WORLD FOR A WITNESS.No U.B. mentioned,BECAUSE ITS NOT HIS.
ITS A STRANGER TRYING TO COME IN.wakeup.
Fortunately for me I’m not prejudiced by the idolatry of Bible worship, I thank God that my mind is open enough and honest enough to consider the additional information that Christ Michael has revealed to us in this age. Besides, you have no problem letting Paul come in with his Pagan interpretations of the Jesus’ original message.Christianity is NOT the gospel either.
…..”It is futile to talk about a revival of primitive Christianity; you must go forward from where you find yourselves. Modern culture must become spiritually baptized with a new revelation of Jesus’ life and illuminated with a new understanding of his gospel of eternal salvation. And when Jesus becomes thus lifted up, he will draw all men to himself. Jesus’ disciples should be more than conquerors, even overflowing sources of inspiration and enhanced living to all men. Religion is only an exalted humanism until it is made divine by the discovery of the reality of the presence of God in personal experience.
Colter
August 20, 2012 at 8:25 pm#333643WakeupParticipantColter.
What is the gospel of the kingdom to you?
wakeup.
August 20, 2012 at 10:20 pm#333644Ed JParticipantQuote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,07:19)
…..”ItisfutiletotalkaboutarevivalofprimitiveChristianity;youmustgoforwardfromwhereyoufindyourselves.ModernculturemustbecomespirituallybaptizedwithanewrevelationofJesus’lifeandilluminatedwithanewunderstandingofhisgospelofeternalsalvation.style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>AndwhenJesusbecomesthusliftedup,hewilldrawallmentohimself.Jesus’disciplesshouldbemorethanconquerors,evenoverflowingsourcesofinspirationandenhancedlivingtoallmen.ReligionisonlyanexaltedhumanismuntilitismadedivinebythediscoveryoftherealityofthepresenceofGodinpersonalexperience.[/color class="bbcode-color">Colter
Hi Colter,Jesus' being lifted up is referring to his dying on the cross.
“Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
he said this, signifying what death he should die.” (John 12:31-33)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgAugust 20, 2012 at 10:23 pm#333645Ed JParticipantHi Colter,
Is the Urantia Book at odds with the Bible?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgAugust 20, 2012 at 11:00 pm#333646SpockParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,09:20) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,07:19)
…..”ItisfutiletotalkaboutarevivalofprimitiveChristianity;youmustgoforwardfromwhereyoufindyourselves.ModernculturemustbecomespirituallybaptizedwithanewrevelationofJesus’lifeandilluminatedwithanewunderstandingofhisgospelofeternalsalvation.style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>AndwhenJesusbecomesthusliftedup,hewilldrawallmentohimself.Jesus’disciplesshouldbemorethanconquerors,evenoverflowingsourcesofinspirationandenhancedlivingtoallmen.ReligionisonlyanexaltedhumanismuntilitismadedivinebythediscoveryoftherealityofthepresenceofGodinpersonalexperience.[/color class="bbcode-color">Colter
Hi Colter,Jesus' being lifted up is referring to his dying on the cross.
“Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
he said this, signifying what death he should die.” (John 12:31-33)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I disagree.When Jesus is resurrected from the tomb of Paganized, institutionalised Christianity, when his true and original gospel of the kingdom of heaven is proclaimed to the world, when the gospel of the kingdom eventually transforms the world and Jesus is present in the heart of mankind world wide, then Jesus will be “lifted up”.
Colter
August 20, 2012 at 11:02 pm#333647SpockParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,09:23) Hi Colter, Is the Urantia Book at odds with the Bible?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Which Bible, in which age, and which interpretation? Everyone on this forum disagrees with what the Bible actually says.Colter
August 20, 2012 at 11:27 pm#333648SpockParticipantQuote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2012,07:25) Colter. What is the gospel of the kingdom to you?
wakeup.
To me the gospel of the kingdom of heaven is the truth of the Fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of ALL mankind.* God is not just a national God, we are all sons of God
* We are all brothers and sisters.
The religion of Jesus was radically different then Judaism. The religion about Jesus “Christianity” is somewhat different then his original gospel.
The institution of religion did not like the Liberal, liberating gospel of Jesus, they tried to stop him.
Colter
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