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Space agency researchers used the Hubble Space Telescope to “narrow in” on what they believe comprises the energy, which pushes our universe apart at ever-increasing speed.
Discovered it in 1998, astronomers have been unable to say what the mysterious force is, except that it is invisible and makes up a “large chunk of our universe”, or 72 per cent of its size.Almost a quarter, 24 per cent, is thought to be “dark matter”, which is also mysterious but easier to study than dark energy because of its “gravitational influence”.
The rest of the universe, a mere four per cent, is made of “the stuff that makes up people, planets, stars and everything made up of atoms”.OK, I was watching this show, and apparently, astronomers can see 13 billion light years away. (That's as far as we can see right now.) And, it actually took a while to get that image.
And since light took that long to reach us, what we actually see when we look that far, is galaxies in their infancy, not spiral, but sort of messed up. (The galaxies there now, don't actually look like that, but we are seeing what existed 13 billion years ago there, since light took that long to get here.)
Anyway, scientists believe the universe is 13.7 billion years old if I remember correctly.
I was wondering what we would see if we could look just a little further, say, 0.7 billion light years further. My brain hurts thinking about it.The next big thing in looking back in time will be this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_Kilometre_Array
Amongst the list of interesting information that will be available from this enormous radio telescope is the means of formation of the first stars. Stars that form today need to have dust that absorbs radiant energy to allow gases to condense into stars under gravity. The first stars formed without this cooling dust but there is little evidence that helps explain how.
Data will arrive from the telescope at 1TB per minute. The processor that will be required for this data has not yet been developed. The computer facility will need its own dedicated power station.
If nothing else it will generate billion-Euro pictures of the universe that will make great screensavers.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 28 2010,23:48) The next big thing in looking back in time will be this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_Kilometre_Array
Amongst the list of interesting information that will be available from this enormous radio telescope is the means of formation of the first stars. Stars that form today need to have dust that absorbs radiant energy to allow gases to condense into stars under gravity. The first stars formed without this cooling dust but there is little evidence that helps explain how.
Data will arrive from the telescope at 1TB per minute. The processor that will be required for this data has not yet been developed. The computer facility will need its own dedicated power station.
If nothing else it will generate billion-Euro pictures of the universe that will make great screensavers.
Stuart
stuyou have fun for a sand pebble, you have a big expectation,and especially with no prospect of a future to glance at,
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,16:59) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 28 2010,23:48) The next big thing in looking back in time will be this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_Kilometre_Array
Amongst the list of interesting information that will be available from this enormous radio telescope is the means of formation of the first stars. Stars that form today need to have dust that absorbs radiant energy to allow gases to condense into stars under gravity. The first stars formed without this cooling dust but there is little evidence that helps explain how.
Data will arrive from the telescope at 1TB per minute. The processor that will be required for this data has not yet been developed. The computer facility will need its own dedicated power station.
If nothing else it will generate billion-Euro pictures of the universe that will make great screensavers.
Stuart
stuyou have fun for a sand pebble, you have a big expectation,and especially with no prospect of a future to glance at,
Pierre
Huh?I sometimes think christians don't realise that the things they say which appear deep to them read like complete nonsense to others.
Stuart
I will interpret Stu.
Your existence is on a sand pebble and your future pretty much runs out when you die.
I think that is what he was saying to you.You would agree with that of course as it lines up with what you believe and it looks like we agree. You believe you will die and it is game over and that your little corner of the world is a pebble.
Scripture also teaches that godless and unrepentant men will not inherit eternal life and it also makes mention of the heavens and the highest heaven, with the Earth as a small part of existence.
I think we can shake hands on this one and agree to agree.
Looks like a win win.Quote (david @ Oct. 28 2010,14:01) OK, I was watching this show, and apparently, astronomers can see 13 billion light years away. (That's as far as we can see right now.) And, it actually took a while to get that image.
And since light took that long to reach us, what we actually see when we look that far, is galaxies in their infancy, not spiral, but sort of messed up. (The galaxies there now, don't actually look like that, but we are seeing what existed 13 billion years ago there, since light took that long to get here.)
Anyway, scientists believe the universe is 13.7 billion years old if I remember correctly.
I was wondering what we would see if we could look just a little further, say, 0.7 billion light years further. My brain hurts thinking about it.
OK, so these galaxies are spreading out at a speed slower than light is travelling. That is why every telescope is a time machine.Still what does it all look like now is a good question. I guess the galaxies are really closer to each other and the speed of light distorts it to look as if they are further away as they are snapshots of where they were billions of years ago.
However if the expansion is in all directions, then many galaxies are actually further away than they look.
Only the galaxies on a similar trajectory to ours will be closer than they appear in a telescope and galaxies moving in the opposite direction are twice as far away as they appear.
This all depends if they are all travelling at the same speed. And if space is a fabric that is expanding, then probably yes, unless the fabric doesn't expand at the same rate which means no.
So what do they all look like 0.7 billion light years further. That is easy, they look like… hang on, dinner is ready.
t8
Quote Your existence is on a sand pebble and your future pretty much runs out when you die.
I think that is what he was saying to you.
I was able to read the words literally for myself, but nonetheless thanks for that.Quote You would agree with that of course as it lines up with what you believe and it looks like we agree. You believe you will die and it is game over and that your little corner of the world is a pebble.
Still not sure what the pebble is allegorical for. Is it some kind of pejorative term for the planet? Does your god require you to talk in nonsense riddles?Quote Scripture also teaches that godless and unrepentant men will not inherit eternal life and it also makes mention of the heavens and the highest heaven, with the Earth as a small part of existence.
Your scripture also teaches that donkeys can talk and the earth was formed before light, including a solid canopy that allows rain through when your god leaves open the windows in it. Hope you weren’t relying on that body of writing for anything important.Why would anyone want “eternal life” anyway?
Stuart
I am so frustrated thinking about the universe as a whole. I think everyone pictures it as a ball spreading out into space, but of course, the universe is the only space that exists. So does it have an edge? Obviously not. But neither is it infinite in size. No edge or wall to run into, but also not infinite in size. Tricky. Then we have Einstein who says that if you traveled in a straight line (or actually, if you followed a beam of light, which seems about as straight as anyone can get) then in theory, you should eventually come back to where you began, in what of course would be an insanely long time. I feel like it would be so much easier to picture the universe if I had an extra dimension. The illustration is always given of dots on a balloon that are moving away from each other as the ballon (universe) expands. And of course, there is no center to the surface of a balloon, and of course, you will come back to where you began if you travel in a straight line along the balloon. It's so easy to picture the 2 dimensions of the balloons surface. But my brain hurts trying to picture all of this with an added dimension.
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 30 2010,00:05) t8 Quote Your existence is on a sand pebble and your future pretty much runs out when you die.
I think that is what he was saying to you.
I was able to read the words literally for myself, but nonetheless thanks for that.Quote You would agree with that of course as it lines up with what you believe and it looks like we agree. You believe you will die and it is game over and that your little corner of the world is a pebble.
Still not sure what the pebble is allegorical for. Is it some kind of pejorative term for the planet? Does your god require you to talk in nonsense riddles?Quote Scripture also teaches that godless and unrepentant men will not inherit eternal life and it also makes mention of the heavens and the highest heaven, with the Earth as a small part of existence.
Your scripture also teaches that donkeys can talk and the earth was formed before light, including a solid canopy that allows rain through when your god leaves open the windows in it. Hope you weren’t relying on that body of writing for anything important.Why would anyone want “eternal life” anyway?
Stuart
stufirst T8 help you and you tell him it was not needed,
on the second quote you fall out of understanding and already forgot the first quote,
the sand pebble is you,that is how big we are and how much space we use on the planet,so in a way ,if you are not there no one will mis you.
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 29 2010,19:40) stu first T8 help you and you tell him it was not needed,
on the second quote you fall out of understanding and already forgot the first quote,
the sand pebble is you,that is how big we are and how much space we use on the planet,so in a way ,if you are not there no one will mis you.
Pierre
I said to t8 that I could read literally what you wrote, but he offered to interpret. Then he just copied what you wrote, which is not really interpretation, is it.To be honest I think this is paranoid nonsense.
We are African apes, and that makes us a social species. The concept of “missing” people when they are gone are adaptations to do with our social nature. Why should it bother anyone that they will be forgotten eventually? It doesn't worry me.
We are indeed insignificant in universal terms. However I am lucky enough to be significant enough to those dear to me, and they are significant to me in turn. I am not deluded about the fact of our fleeting existence on earth. Why should anyone be? Because they can't cope with reality?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 29 2010,17:05) I was able to read the words literally for myself, but nonetheless thanks for that.
Usually when you reply to a post saying “I sometimes think christians don't realise that the things they say which appear deep to them read like complete nonsense to others.” it means that it is non-sensible to you. I simply spelled it out as you seem to be begging to make sense of it.A simple thanks will suffice.
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 30 2010,06:30) We are African apes
You are also a daffodil if you consider yourself an ape. You have much common code with daffodils and in fact all living things.I am a New Zealand human, and you are free to identify yourself as an African Ape. You are also free to identify yourself as a horse as according to your belief, you are related somewhere back in the chronicles of Evolution.
Whereas, I know that the programmer uses the same base code sequences where necessary.
This also might explain why we have differing beliefs. I as a human, have qualities that allow me to understand the divine, whereas an African Ape is quite a bit more limited in his understanding of the natural world, the universe, and the spiritual.
However, I love animals and God loves you too.
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 30 2010,07:48) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 29 2010,17:05) I was able to read the words literally for myself, but nonetheless thanks for that.
Usually when you reply to a post saying “I sometimes think christians don't realise that the things they say which appear deep to them read like complete nonsense to others.” it means that it is non-sensible to you. I simply spelled it out as you seem to be begging to make sense of it.A simple thanks will suffice.
And indeed it was a very simple thanks you were given.Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 30 2010,07:55) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 30 2010,06:30) We are African apes
You are also a daffodil if you consider yourself an ape. You have much common code with daffodils and in fact all living things.I am a New Zealand human, and you are free to identify yourself as an African Ape. You are also free to identify yourself as a horse as according to your belief, you are related somewhere back in the chronicles of Evolution.
Whereas, I know that the programmer uses the same base code sequences where necessary.
This also might explain why we have differing beliefs. I as a human, have qualities that allow me to understand the divine, whereas an African Ape is quite a bit more limited in his understanding of the natural world, the universe, and the spiritual.
However, I love animals and God loves you too.
The history of our species began in Africa, and that is the sense in which we are African apes. We are not daffodils and we are not horses, although indeed we are connected by common ancestry. To follow your logic with its lack of specification, we are also planets because we contain the same elements as they do.So as much as anything else you might be, you are the planet Jupiter, and perhaps that is consistent with Jupiter as the original creating god. That makes as much sense as any other christian fantasy description of natural history, not that the 39,000 denominations or other interpretations can give you one straight story on their mythological views of natural history.
It is a fact that you are a member of a species that is an ape with an African origin. Why you would not embrace this reality and perhaps even be proud of it is still beyond me. The motive that some Abrahamists feel in their belief that it is better to live a lie is something I am only slowly grasping. The human brain is not the logical machine that some claim, and for those who believe it was coded by a programmer there is not much in their explanation for why it takes such perverse stances on facts of history. Real science does provide some such answers, but of course those are rejected out of hand by those hijacked by the delusion of whatever book of myths has them in its spells.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 30 2010,10:57) The history of our species began in Africa,
According to what?A video. Investigative work?
If the latter, then understand that is how you can know that there is a God. But you require a video. Funny how bias works isn't it?Quote (t8 @ Oct. 31 2010,12:56) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 30 2010,10:57) The history of our species began in Africa,
According to what?A video. Investigative work?
If the latter, then understand that is how you can know that there is a God. But you require a video. Funny how bias works isn't it?
Paleontology does not involve digging up VHS cassettes as far as I am aware.Stuart
A pile of old bones and then another pile requires imagination to say that one came from another.
Taking like structures, it is pure imagination that ties them together Stu and you don't have a video that shows these species changing into new ones such as ancient ape turning into a man.So your belief is based on investigation mixed with imagination.
And then in the same breath you require God to show up or a photo or video of him.
See how your mind is full of contradictions and a lack of understanding.
Maybe you can't see it and if so, then that is another indicator.
t8
Quote A pile of old bones and then another pile requires imagination to say that one came from another.
It takes me no imagination at all to conclude that the bones are from a living animal that had parents and grandparents. Do you find this idea bizarre, t8? You would be going against the contents of your book of spells not to believe as I do that life begets life.Quote Taking like structures, it is pure imagination that ties them together Stu and you don't have a video that shows these species changing into new ones such as ancient ape turning into a man.
The conclusion that the bones in one layer were from an animal that was directly related to the animal that left the almost identical bones in the next layer is even better than concluding that the picture in one frame of a video is related to the almost identical picture in the next frame. That is because we know there is such a thing as video editing. There is no equivalent of editing in the paleontological world, unless you wish to accuse those experts of dishonesty.Did I hear the sound of another analogy backfiring just then?
Quote So your belief is based on investigation mixed with imagination.
Whereas your belief is based on imagination with no investigation.Quote And then in the same breath you require God to show up or a photo or video of him.
Yes, why can you not show me a photo of this god thing? Do you have an explanation for that, or just another exercise in naming a property of it that has no actual meaning?Quote See how your mind is full of contradictions and a lack of understanding. Maybe you can't see it and if so, then that is another indicator.
Is that because I am one of the non-believers it has blinded, despite it “wanting” me to see it and repent, on pain of eternal punishment, whatever eternal means?Who would be so immoral as to worship such a monstrous thing?
Stuart
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