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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2014,03:54) Hi 94,
Yes but the promise of God is that he will not leave or forsake us.
The Spirit abides while the old body disintegrates
flesh has no future
Hi Nick:When Jesus was dying, he said “my God my God why hast thou forsaken me”, and the scripture states that “he tasted death for every man”, and since we know that men who are Christians die a physical death every day, then the death that he tasted for every man must not be talking about the physical death, but a spiritual death, meaning that he was spiritually separated from God, until God raised him from the dead.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi 94,
He was quoting ps 22
psalm 22:1
My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?He was the scapegoat carrying all the sin of man
Sin separates us from GodBut death frees us from sin[rom6] and his death restored him to his Father
Hi 94,
Rom6
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2014,09:25) Hi 94,
He was quoting ps 22
psalm 22:1
My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?He was the scapegoat carrying all the sin of man
Sin separates us from GodBut death frees us from sin[rom6] and his death restored him to his Father
Really, Nick:So, Jesus just quotes the psalm and it does not apply to what he was going through?
Yes, I know all that you have stated about him being the propitiation for our sins, and he died the spiritual death that each of us would have died had we not confessed him as our Lord.
But the point that I was trying to make you see is that dead men do not preach. He may have preached to the dead, the spiritually dead, prior to his death and maybe after his resurrection, but not while he was in the grave.
In Noah's generation, Noah preached to those in his generation by the Holy Spirit while he was preparing the ark.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi n94,
He died physically, not spiritually1Peter 4
5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2014,10:18) Hi n94,
He died physically, not spiritually1Peter 4
5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
Nick.Marty was right.
There are such as spiritually dead.
In fact the majority are dead man walking.
Let the dead bury their dead.Can you understand
that speech?wakeup
Hi,
1.Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.Another witness
Hi,
Another two witnesses
15.Deuteronomy 4:26
I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2014,10:18) Hi n94,
He died physically, not spiritually1Peter 4
5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
Hi Nick:If the scripture states that he tasted death for every man, and this simply refers to a physical death, wouldn't that mean that Christians would not have to suffer a physical death any longer?
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2014,07:54) Hi 94,
Why should it mean that?
Hi Nick:Because we as born again Christians, may have to die a physical death, but we as Jesus have died unto sin and death has no more dominion over us. We will no longer suffer a spiritual death or separation from God if we continue in the faith.
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Jhn 11:25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Jhn 11:26
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2014,03:54) Hi 94,
There is no spiritual death.
Just the second death.
Hi Nick:We as practicing sinners were dead in our trespasses, this is the first death:
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Col 2:13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Quote 4:892,627 Part of Speech:
adjective
Usage in the KJV:
dead 132
Total: 132
Definition:
1.properly A.one that has breathed his last, lifeless
B.deceased, departed, one whose soul is in Hades
C.destitute of life, without life, inanimate2.metaph. A.spiritually dead a.destitute of a life that recognises and is devoted to God, because given up to trespasses and sins
b.inactive as respects doing rightB.destitute of force or power, inactive, inoperative
TDNT – Theological Dictionary of the New Testament
TWOT – Theological Word Book of the Old TestamentIf we should die a physical death without being reconciled to our God through the Lord Jesus, are we not still spiritually separated from God?
The second death will be the destruction of the soul.
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Rev 20:14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Quote Number 2288 Transliteration:
thanatos {than'-at-os}
Word Origin:
from 2348
TDNT:
3:7,312
Part of Speech:
noun masculine
Usage in the KJV:
death 117, deadly 2
Total: 119
Definition:
1.the death of the body A.that separation (whether natural or violent) of the soul and the body by which the life on earth is ended
B.with the implied idea of future misery in hell a.the power of deathC.since the nether world, the abode of the dead, was conceived as being very dark, it is equivalent to the region of thickest darkness i.e. figuratively, a region enveloped in the darkness of ignorance and sin
2.metaph., the loss of that life which alone is worthy of the name, A.the misery of the soul arising from sin, which begins on earth but lasts and increases after the death of the body in hell
3.the miserable state of the wicked dead in hell
4.in the widest sense, death comprising all the miseries arising from sin, as well physical death as the loss of a life consecrated to God and blessed in him on earth, to be followed by wretchedness in hellTDNT – Theological Dictionary of the New Testament
TWOT – Theological Word Book of the Old TestamentLove in Christ,
MartyHi 94,
Being dead in your sins is prophetic.
Without salvation man is doomed to perish.The second death is that prophecy fulfilled
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2014,03:54) Hi 94,
There is no spiritual death.
Just the second death.
Nick.Matthew 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
Luke 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
LET THE LIVING DEAD BURY THEIR DEAD.
So you are wrong again,understand the scriptures you are quoting.wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 17 2014,05:47) Hi 94,
Being dead in your sins is prophetic.
Without salvation man is doomed to perish.The second death is that prophecy fulfilled
Hi Nick:You say:
Being dead in our sins, is prophetic.
I don't know about being prophetic, but it is scriptural.
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Col 2:13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Love in Christ,
Marty
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