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Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2009,07:35) Hi BD,
Salvation in Mt25 is according to merciful works towards the brothers of Jesus
Those who give a cup of water will not lose their reward.Is that the hope you hold?
No, Nick, you are leading him away from the truth. Without the blood of Jesus to wash away his sins, he won't be saved.Salvation is not based on “good works”.
Quote John 3:16-18 (King James Version) 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2009,14:55) Hi BD,
It is not to be confused with humanism, the worship of men and their words.
Most religions are based on this folly.
Is it not you that is promoting the Man Jesus(blessings be upon him) who is due great honor because he was Anointed by God Almighty but when I assert to you it is God Almighty I worship you keep saying that I am worshiping a Man and yet I am never even mentioning a man other than referring to the revelation given unto him.Quote (942767 @ July 01 2009,15:05) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2009,07:35) Hi BD,
Salvation in Mt25 is according to merciful works towards the brothers of Jesus
Those who give a cup of water will not lose their reward.Is that the hope you hold?
No, Nick, you are leading him away from the truth. Without the blood of Jesus to wash away his sins, he won't be saved.Salvation is not based on “good works”.
Quote John 3:16-18 (King James Version) 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
You are sadly mistaken for the scripture pertaining to the Father says that Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be savedbut pertaining to Jesus “the Son” it says not everyone who says to him “lord, lord” shall be saved but only those that do the will of his Father and those who do the will of his Father are the ones as Nick rightfully described in MT 25 and those who wont be saved are the ones who claim Jesus but does not do like those in MT 25.
So you keep calling on Jesus and not doing the will of the Father and I'll keep doing what Jesus taught and doing the will of The Father and may God have mercy on us both.
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2009,15:18) Quote (942767 @ July 01 2009,15:05) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2009,07:35) Hi BD,
Salvation in Mt25 is according to merciful works towards the brothers of Jesus
Those who give a cup of water will not lose their reward.Is that the hope you hold?
No, Nick, you are leading him away from the truth. Without the blood of Jesus to wash away his sins, he won't be saved.Salvation is not based on “good works”.
Quote John 3:16-18 (King James Version) 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
You are sadly mistaken for the scripture pertaining to the Father says that Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be savedbut pertaining to Jesus “the Son” it says not everyone who says to him “lord, lord” shall be saved but only those that do the will of his Father and those who do the will of his Father are the ones as Nick rightfully described in MT 25 and those who wont be saved are the ones who claim Jesus but does not do like those in MT 25.
So you keep calling on Jesus and not doing the will of the Father and I'll keep doing what Jesus taught and doing the will of The Father and may God have mercy on us both.
Hi BD:I am happy that you are zealous in serving God, but what I am trying to show you is that without the sacrifice for your sins there is no forgiveness. We are saved because of what God has done for us in the person of Jesus His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
Quote 1Jo 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ July 02 2009,10:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2009,15:18) Quote (942767 @ July 01 2009,15:05) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2009,07:35) Hi BD,
Salvation in Mt25 is according to merciful works towards the brothers of Jesus
Those who give a cup of water will not lose their reward.Is that the hope you hold?
No, Nick, you are leading him away from the truth. Without the blood of Jesus to wash away his sins, he won't be saved.Salvation is not based on “good works”.
Quote John 3:16-18 (King James Version) 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
You are sadly mistaken for the scripture pertaining to the Father says that Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be savedbut pertaining to Jesus “the Son” it says not everyone who says to him “lord, lord” shall be saved but only those that do the will of his Father and those who do the will of his Father are the ones as Nick rightfully described in MT 25 and those who wont be saved are the ones who claim Jesus but does not do like those in MT 25.
So you keep calling on Jesus and not doing the will of the Father and I'll keep doing what Jesus taught and doing the will of The Father and may God have mercy on us both.
Hi BD:I am happy that you are zealous in serving God, but what I am trying to show you is that without the sacrifice for your sins there is no forgiveness. We are saved because of what God has done for us in the person of Jesus His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
Quote 1Jo 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.Love in Christ,
Marty
If what you say is true why will God punish you for your sins?Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2009,10:10) Quote (942767 @ July 02 2009,10:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2009,15:18) Quote (942767 @ July 01 2009,15:05) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2009,07:35) Hi BD,
Salvation in Mt25 is according to merciful works towards the brothers of Jesus
Those who give a cup of water will not lose their reward.Is that the hope you hold?
No, Nick, you are leading him away from the truth. Without the blood of Jesus to wash away his sins, he won't be saved.Salvation is not based on “good works”.
Quote John 3:16-18 (King James Version) 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
You are sadly mistaken for the scripture pertaining to the Father says that Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be savedbut pertaining to Jesus “the Son” it says not everyone who says to him “lord, lord” shall be saved but only those that do the will of his Father and those who do the will of his Father are the ones as Nick rightfully described in MT 25 and those who wont be saved are the ones who claim Jesus but does not do like those in MT 25.
So you keep calling on Jesus and not doing the will of the Father and I'll keep doing what Jesus taught and doing the will of The Father and may God have mercy on us both.
Hi BD:I am happy that you are zealous in serving God, but what I am trying to show you is that without the sacrifice for your sins there is no forgiveness. We are saved because of what God has done for us in the person of Jesus His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
Quote 1Jo 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.Love in Christ,
Marty
If what you say is true why will God punish you for your sins?
Hi BDA Christian will not be punished his sins have been forgiven, but someone who persist in unbelief or who believes and persists in sin of course will be accountable to God and will be punished for his sins.
Quote Hbr 10:26 ¶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Hbr 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Hbr 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Hbr 10:31 [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Quote 2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2Th 2:13 ¶ But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
2Th 2:14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ July 02 2009,11:09) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2009,10:10) Quote (942767 @ July 02 2009,10:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2009,15:18) Quote (942767 @ July 01 2009,15:05) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2009,07:35) Hi BD,
Salvation in Mt25 is according to merciful works towards the brothers of Jesus
Those who give a cup of water will not lose their reward.Is that the hope you hold?
No, Nick, you are leading him away from the truth. Without the blood of Jesus to wash away his sins, he won't be saved.Salvation is not based on “good works”.
Quote John 3:16-18 (King James Version) 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
You are sadly mistaken for the scripture pertaining to the Father says that Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be savedbut pertaining to Jesus “the Son” it says not everyone who says to him “lord, lord” shall be saved but only those that do the will of his Father and those who do the will of his Father are the ones as Nick rightfully described in MT 25 and those who wont be saved are the ones who claim Jesus but does not do like those in MT 25.
So you keep calling on Jesus and not doing the will of the Father and I'll keep doing what Jesus taught and doing the will of The Father and may God have mercy on us both.
Hi BD:I am happy that you are zealous in serving God, but what I am trying to show you is that without the sacrifice for your sins there is no forgiveness. We are saved because of what God has done for us in the person of Jesus His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
Quote 1Jo 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.Love in Christ,
Marty
If what you say is true why will God punish you for your sins?
Hi BDA Christian will not be punished his sins have been forgiven, but someone who persist in unbelief or who believes and persists in sin of course will be accountable to God and will be punished for his sins.
Quote Hbr 10:26 ¶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Hbr 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Hbr 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Hbr 10:31 [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Quote 2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2Th 2:13 ¶ But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
2Th 2:14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Love in Christ,
Marty
So every Christian no matter how much he sins must repent regardless of the cross, right?Do you still pray and if so why?
What in your opinion did the cross actually mean when you still have to do works fit for repentence?
Jesus said you have to be charitable not that its your choice
Jesus said you cannot commit adultery or not even cvlose to itJesus said you must love your enemies
If you don't do these things Jesus taught you aren't you going to hell unless you have repented?
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2009,11:53) Quote (942767 @ July 02 2009,11:09) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2009,10:10) Quote (942767 @ July 02 2009,10:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2009,15:18) Quote (942767 @ July 01 2009,15:05) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2009,07:35) Hi BD,
Salvation in Mt25 is according to merciful works towards the brothers of Jesus
Those who give a cup of water will not lose their reward.Is that the hope you hold?
No, Nick, you are leading him away from the truth. Without the blood of Jesus to wash away his sins, he won't be saved.Salvation is not based on “good works”.
Quote John 3:16-18 (King James Version) 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
You are sadly mistaken for the scripture pertaining to the Father says that Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be savedbut pertaining to Jesus “the Son” it says not everyone who says to him “lord, lord” shall be saved but only those that do the will of his Father and those who do the will of his Father are the ones as Nick rightfully described in MT 25 and those who wont be saved are the ones who claim Jesus but does not do like those in MT 25.
So you keep calling on Jesus and not doing the will of the Father and I'll keep doing what Jesus taught and doing the will of The Father and may God have mercy on us both.
Hi BD:I am happy that you are zealous in serving God, but what I am trying to show you is that without the sacrifice for your sins there is no forgiveness. We are saved because of what God has done for us in the person of Jesus His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
Quote 1Jo 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.Love in Christ,
Marty
If what you say is true why will God punish you for your sins?
Hi BDA Christian will not be punished his sins have been forgiven, but someone who persist in unbelief or who believes and persists in sin of course will be accountable to God and will be punished for his sins.
Quote Hbr 10:26 ¶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Hbr 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Hbr 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Hbr 10:31 [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Quote 2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2Th 2:13 ¶ But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
2Th 2:14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Love in Christ,
Marty
So every Christian no matter how much he sins must repent regardless of the cross, right?Do you still pray and if so why?
What in your opinion did the cross actually mean when you still have to do works fit for repentence?
Jesus said you have to be charitable not that its your choice
Jesus said you cannot commit adultery or not even cvlose to itJesus said you must love your enemies
If you don't do these things Jesus taught you aren't you going to hell unless you have repented?
Hi BD:When one comes to God with a repentant heart through the provision that He has made, that persons sins are washed away by the blood that was shed by the Lord Jesus. At that point the slate has been wiped clean. It is like that person had never sinned. It is a new beginning.
By confessing Jesus as Lord, one is indicating by that confes
sion that one will obey the commandments that have come from God to humanity through him, but we make mistakes, and when we do, we have to repent, and ask God to forgive us and if we sin against someone, we must also go to that person and ask forgiveness. It is the blood that was shed for us that washes away our sins when we do make these mistakes.Quote Rom 6:1 ¶ What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [in the likeness] of [his] resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members [as] instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members [as] instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 ¶ What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Quote 1Jo 1:5 ¶ This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 1Jo 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ July 02 2009,12:19) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2009,11:53) Quote (942767 @ July 02 2009,11:09) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2009,10:10) Quote (942767 @ July 02 2009,10:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2009,15:18) Quote (942767 @ July 01 2009,15:05) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2009,07:35) Hi BD,
Salvation in Mt25 is according to merciful works towards the brothers of Jesus
Those who give a cup of water will not lose their reward.Is that the hope you hold?
No, Nick, you are leading him away from the truth. Without the blood of Jesus to wash away his sins, he won't be saved.Salvation is not based on “good works”.
Quote John 3:16-18 (King James Version) 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
You are sadly mistaken for the scripture pertaining to the Father says that Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be savedbut pertaining to Jesus “the Son” it says not everyone who says to him “lord, lord” shall be saved but only those that do the will of his Father and those who do the will of his Father are the ones as Nick rightfully described in MT 25 and those who wont be saved are the ones who claim Jesus but does not do like those in MT 25.
So you keep calling on Jesus and not doing the will of the Father and I'll keep doing what Jesus taught and doing the will of The Father and may God have mercy on us both.
Hi BD:I am happy that you are zealous in serving God, but what I am trying to show you is that without the sacrifice for your sins there is no forgiveness. We are saved because of what God has done for us in the person of Jesus His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
Quote 1Jo 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.Love in Christ,
Marty
If what you say is true why will God punish you for your sins?
Hi BDA Christian will not be punished his sins have been forgiven, but someone who persist in unbelief or who believes and persists in sin of course will be accountable to God and will be punished for his sins.
Quote Hbr 10:26 ¶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Hbr 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Hbr 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Hbr 10:31 [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Quote 2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2Th 2:13 ¶ But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
2Th 2:14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Love in Christ,
Marty
So every Christian no matter how much he sins must repent regardless of the cross, right?Do you still pray and if so why?
What in your opinion did the cross actually mean when you still have to do works fit for repentence?
Jesus said you have to be charitable not that its your choice
Jesus said you cannot commit adultery or not even cvlose to itJesus said you must love your enemies
If you don't do these things Jesus taught you aren't you going to hell unless you have repented?
Hi BD:When one comes to God with a repentant heart through the provision that He has made, that persons sins are washed away by the blood that was shed by the Lord
Jesus. At that point the slate has been wiped clean. It is like that person had never sinned. It is a new beginning.By confessing Jesus as Lord, one is indicating by that confession that one will obey the commandments that have come from God to humanity through him, but we make mistakes, and when we do, we have to repent, and ask God to forgive us and if we sin against someone, we must also go to that person and ask forgiveness. It is the blood that was shed for us that washes away our sins when we do make these mistakes.
Quote Rom 6:1 ¶ What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [in the likeness] of [his] resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members [as] instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members [as] instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 ¶ What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Quote 1Jo 1:5 ¶ This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 1Jo 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Love in Christ,
Marty
So devout Jews or Muslims that repent from sin and pray to God will not be forgiven by God?Quote (942767 @ July 02 2009,12:19) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2009,11:53) Quote (942767 @ July 02 2009,11:09) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2009,10:10) Quote (942767 @ July 02 2009,10:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2009,15:18) Quote (942767 @ July 01 2009,15:05) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2009,07:35) Hi BD,
Salvation in Mt25 is according to merciful works towards the brothers of Jesus
Those who give a cup of water will not lose their reward.Is that the hope you hold?
No, Nick, you are leading him away from the truth. Without the blood of Jesus to wash away his sins, he won't be saved.Salvation is not based on “good works”.
Quote John 3:16-18 (King James Version) 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
You are sadly mistaken for the scripture pertaining to the Father says that Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be savedbut pertaining to Jesus “the Son” it says not everyone who says to him “lord, lord” shall be saved but only those that do the will of his Father and those who do the will of his Father are the ones as Nick rightfully described in MT 25 and those who wont be saved are the ones who claim Jesus but does not do like those in MT 25.
So you keep calling on Jesus and not doing the will of the Father and I'll keep doing what Jesus taught and doing the will of The Father and may God have mercy on us both.
Hi BD:I am happy that you are zealous in serving God, but what I am trying to show you is that without the sacrifice for your sins there is no forgiveness. We are saved because of what God has done for us in the person of Jesus His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
Quote 1Jo 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.Love in Christ,
Marty
If what you say is true why will God punish you for your sins?
Hi BDA Christian will not be punished his sins have been forgiven, but someone who persist in unbelief or who believes and persists in sin of course will be accountable to God and will be punished for his sins.
Quote Hbr 10:26 ¶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Hbr 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Hbr 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Hbr 10:31 [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Quote 2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2Th 2:13 ¶ But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
2Th 2:14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Love in Christ,
Marty
So every Christian no matter how much he sins must repent regardless of the cross, right?Do you still pray and if so why?
What in your opinion did the cross actually mean when you still have to do works fit for repentence?
Jesus said you have to be charitable not that its your choice
Jesus said you cannot commit adultery or not even cvlose to itJesus said you must love your enemies
If you don't do these things Jesus taught you aren't you going to hell unless you have repented?
Hi BD:When one comes to God with a repentant heart through the provision that He has made, that persons sins are washed away by the blood that was shed by the Lord
Jesus. At that point the slate has been wiped clean. It is like that person had never sinned. It is a new beginning.By confessing Jesus as Lord, one is indicating by that confession that one will obey the commandments that have come from God to humanity through him, but we make mistakes, and when we do, we have to repent, and ask God to forgive us and if we sin against someone, we must also go to that person and ask forgiveness. It is the blood that was shed for us that washes away our sins when we do make these mistakes.
Quote Rom 6:1 ¶ What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [in the likeness] of [his] resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members [as] instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members [as] instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 ¶ What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Quote 1Jo 1:5 ¶ This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 1Jo 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi BD:Without the sacrifice that has been provided for the sins no, they won't be saved.
They will be judged according to their works.
But the scripture states:
Quote Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ July 02 2009,12:49) Hi BD: Without the sacrifice that has been provided for the sins no, they won't be saved.
They will be judged according to their works.
But the scripture states:
Quote Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Love in Christ,
Marty
Proverbs 7:1-3 (New King James Version)Proverbs 7
1 My son, keep my words,
And treasure my commands within you.
2 Keep my commands and live,
And my law as the apple of your eye.
3 Bind them on your fingers;
Write them on the tablet of your heart.Ezekiel 33:15-17 (New King James Version)
15 if the wicked restores the pledge, gives back what he has stolen, and walks in the statutes of life without committing iniquity, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 16 None of his sins which he has committed shall be remembered against him; he has done what is lawful and right; he shall surely live.Matthew 23:22-24 (New King James Version)
22 And he who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by Him who sits on it.
23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone. 24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!This is what I pray to God because of what you said
Psalm 119:125-127 (New King James Version)
125 I am Your servant;
Give me understanding,
That I may know Your testimonies.
126 It is time for You to act, O LORD,
For they have regarded Your law as void.
127 Therefore I love Your commandments
More than gold, yes, than fine gold!Isaiah 5
24 Therefore, as the fire devours the stubble,
And the flame consumes the chaff,
So their root will be as rottenness,
And their blossom will ascend like dust;
Because they have rejected the law of the LORD of hosts,
And despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.Isaiah 30:8-10 (New King James Version)
A Rebellious People
8 Now go, write it before them on a tablet,
And note it on a scroll,
That it may be for time to come,
Forever and ever:
9 That this is a rebellious people,
Lying children,
Children who will not hear the law of the LORD;
10 Who say to the seers, “Do not see,”
And to the prophets, “Do not prophesy to us right things;
Speak to us smooth things, prophesy deceits.Objecting the law of God is a moral issue and instead of striving to do what is right you have been sold a lie in believing that you cannot do right.
But the scripture:
Isaiah 33
22 (For the LORD is our Judge,
The LORD is our Lawgiver,
The LORD is our King;
He will save us);as concerning me and my love for the laws of God I was guided to post this:
Isaiah 51:6-8 (New King James Version)
6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
And look on the earth beneath.
For the heavens will vanish away like smoke,
The earth will grow old like a garment,
And those who dwell in it will die in like manner;
But My salvation will be forever,
And My righteousness will not be abolished.
7 “ Listen to Me, you who know righteousness,
You people in whose heart is My law:
Do not fear the reproach of men,
Nor be afraid of their insults.
8 For the moth will eat them up like a garment,
And the worm will eat them like wool;
But My righteousness will be forever,
And My salvation from generation to generation.”and so:
Jeremiah 9
13 And the LORD said, “Because they have forsaken My law which I set before them, and have not obeyed My voice, nor walked according to it, 14 but they have walked according to the dictates of their own hearts and after the Baals, which their fathers taught them,”
Ezekiel 22:25-27 (New King James Version)
25 The conspiracy of her prophets[a] in her midst is like a roaring lion tearing the prey; they have devoured people; they have taken treasure and precious things; they have made many widows in her midst. 26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.what does Paul say about clean and unclean?
Romans 14
14 I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.Now imagine this, you go up to Jesus and say that you were not under the Law and he says:
Matthew 7:22-24 (New King James Version)
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’Why would Jesus say to those who are not under the law that they practice lawlessness when it is clear in what he is saying that they have “faith” in him so much so that they can cast out demons.
I think the final word is what Jesus taught what about you?
Luke 16
17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail.Heaven and earth have not passed away and yet Paul says the Law was nailed to the cross but paul also says this:
Galatians 3:12-14 (New King James Version)
12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”[a]
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”),So Paul says Christ is cursed for us but wait Paul is right when he says this:
1 Corinthians 12:2-4 (King James Version)
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
Do you see that clearly or not?
Hi BD,
Why not listen to the Word of God and cast aside the false words of your master?
How do you expect to grasp the wisdom of Paul while standing alone outside the door of Christ?Hi BD,
You quote and claim to uphold scripture and then set about trying to divide the NT from the OT and the men of old from their brothers in the new.You hate scripture and hate Christ and I cannot understand how you can hope your own status is improved in the eyes of God when you are opposed to Him and His words and Christ
Hi BD:
The curse of the law is that it brought condemnation to all of humanity because all of us have broken God's law, therefore, as the scripture that I have quoted for you states, by the works of the law shall no man be saved.
Jesus died a condemned man, accused of blasphemy and of breaking God's law, but God raised him from the dead declaring him not guilty, therefore no man speaking by the Holy Ghost calleth Jesus accursed. He paid the penalty that was due to all men in that he died a condemned sinner. All of us have broken God's law and the wages of sin is death.
Jesus is not accursed. God has raised him from the dead and has exalted him to his position as head of the church, and sitting at His right hand.
Quote 2Cr 5:18 And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2Cr 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
2Cr 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.Yes, we in the body of Christ are to obey God's law. Jesus is our example in how we should live our lives so that we might be in right standing with God, and he is the propitiation for our sins.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ July 02 2009,00:33) Hi BD: The curse of the law is that it brought condemnation to all of humanity because all of us have broken God's law, therefore, as the scripture that I have quoted for you states, by the works of the law shall no man be saved.
Jesus died a condemned man, accused of blasphemy and of breaking God's law, but God raised him from the dead declaring him not guilty, therefore no man speaking by the Holy Ghost calleth Jesus accursed. He paid the penalty that was due to all men in that he died a condemned sinner. All of us have broken God's law and the wages of sin is death.
Jesus is not accursed. God has raised him from the dead and has exalted him to his position as head of the church, and sitting at His right hand.
Quote 2Cr 5:18 And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2Cr 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
2Cr 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.Yes, we in the body of Christ are to obey God's law. Jesus is our example in how we should live our lives so that we might be in right standing with God, and he is the propitiation for our sins.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi 94As far as I can tell, BD doesnt believe Jesus was crucified!
WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 02 2009,15:57) Hi BD,
You quote and claim to uphold scripture and then set about trying to divide the NT from the OT and the men of old from their brothers in the new.You hate scripture and hate Christ and I cannot understand how you can hope your own status is improved in the eyes of God when you are opposed to Him and His words and Christ
Actually how offensive it is for you to lie and say that I hate Christ truly you owe me apology, in-fact you owe Christ an apology. I do forgive however because I know you have no idea what you do.I have shown you the scriptures they tell the story and since when has Jesus The Christ been part of the old testament for every scripture I have spoken of from the OT I backed it up with a quote from Jesus and so if Jesus makes a quote and Paul contradicts him, who is right?
I say Jesus is.
To me when God uses terms like EVERLASTING COVENANT and knowing God does not Change and knowing God did not make some sort of “mistake” in giving the law that he should repent and annul it I stand not afraid of you insults because you defend lawlessness and I defend Law, they are not equal, is what is good equal to what is bad?
Jesus had no sin in him and told you to be perfect as your heavenly father
Paul said he was a man of sin and told you that sin is flesh and no matter what he does what hoe doesn't want to do so it is no longer him but the sin in him, this is who you defend?
I have shown you Nick step by step that you are in bed with what you yourself call a “whore”
You put Jesus at a position that you say goes beyond pure Worship of God saying that if a person doesn't put Jesus first they are not acceptable before God which is a lie and now you assert Paul to the level of Jesus allowing yourself to believe that Paul is right to ABOLISH the Law that Jesus said could not be abolished as long as there is a heaven and earth.
34,000 Christian denominations is that what Christ intended 34,000 bodies of Christ?
Hi BD,
You hate Christ as shown by your treatemnt of Paul and the sacred words.
No man can serve two masters.You have made your choice so why denigrate our faith here?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 02 2009,17:05) Hi BD,
You hate Christ as shown by your treatemnt of Paul and the sacred words.
No man can serve two masters.You have made your choice so why denigrate our faith here?
Who is your Master? Is it PaulRomans 3
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.Romans 3
7For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?2 Corinthians 12
16 But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile.Romans 7
14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Or Jesus
1 Peter 2:21-23 (King James Version)
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth
Matthew 5
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 9 (King James Version)
13But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.Hi BD,
Christ is in Paul just as God is in Christ.
You attack a servant and you attack his Master and his God.Quote (942767 @ July 02 2009,16:33) Hi BD: The curse of the law is that it brought condemnation to all of humanity because all of us have broken God's law, therefore, as the scripture that I have quoted for you states, by the works of the law shall no man be saved.
Jesus died a condemned man, accused of blasphemy and of breaking God's law, but God raised him from the dead declaring him not guilty, therefore no man speaking by the Holy Ghost calleth Jesus accursed. He paid the penalty that was due to all men in that he died a condemned sinner. All of us have broken God's law and the wages of sin is death.
Jesus is not accursed. God has raised him from the dead and has exalted him to his position as head of the church, and sitting at His right hand.
Quote 2Cr 5:18 And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2Cr 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
2Cr 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.Yes, we in the body of Christ are to obey God's law. Jesus is our example in how we should live our lives so that we might be in right standing with God, and he is the propitiation for our sins.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Okay, so you do have to obey God's law even with your propitiation, right?You still must repent when you sin, right?
Paul says that if you backslide and sin afetr accepting Christ there is no more a propitiation for your sins because Christ cannot die again so tell me since you accepted Christ have you commited sin and if so what now?
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