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Many do not understand the gift of tongues; even those how have experienced this. Because they do not study the Word enough to receive the knowledge of it.
There is more than one manifestation of this gift. The tongues spoken on the day of Pentecost, in the upper room was not the same that was later to the great crowd of people of all languages there. People overlook that fact that in that upper room, where they received the Holy Ghost, there was no one present who did not speak the same language. That speaking in tongues was not the same gift manifested later to that crowd of milti-languaged people.
So the speaking in tongues in the upper room was not the same. This was the tongue given to people when they first are Baptized with the Holy Ghost. It is a heavenly language; not an earthly language. It had no need for interpretation. There is not one word said there about it having to be interpreted. nor that it was interpreted. 1Cor. 14:2-9— For space, I will not quote all of this, read it. v2—For he that speaketh in an unknown (now get that: an UNKNOWN TONGUE). (this is not an earthly language; if it were, it would not be an unknown tongue). See, people just did not really get the true revelation of the Word.
v2—-For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh NOT unto MEN, but unto GOD: for NO MAN (no one anywhere, so it is not an earthly language)—-understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. (see, they were not speaking to men).
v3–But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
v4—He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
Then Paul goes on to say that in the church we should interpret it for the sake of edification of the church. But, notice, this is not the same thing that happened on the Day of Pentecost, in the upper room. That was not given to edify any church. The church was not even in existence at that time. That was only for them personally. That is the same thing happens when one is filled with the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. This is only for that individual; not for the edification of the church.
Messages given in tongues in the church should be interpreted. That is what Paul is speaking of in verse 9.
v18–I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all; yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
Here he is speaking of teaching in the church. The other is in his private devotion. But, he is not saying we can't speak in tongues in the church. It should be kept back unless someone can interpret it; for the sake of edifying the church. That was not the case on the Day of Pentecost. It is not the same thing. This is the same self sacrificing nature shown in Paul when he said I could wish myself accursed from Christ for my Kinsmen sake. I personally have never been able to say that.
He was willing to hold back his own blessing of speaking in tongues in the church for the sake of teaching others.
v22–Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not. This is saying that the gift of giving out a message in the church and the interpretation is for a sign to the unbelievers in the midst. So this is not what happened in the upper room. There were no unbelievers there. That was not the same working of the spirit. That tongues was the evidence of being filled with the Spirit. It is the fulfillment of Isaiah 28:11,12—For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the REST wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest. Remember Jesus said come unto me all ye that are weary and I will give you rest to your souls. This is what he meant. This is the New Testament REST. Not a 7th day sabbath.
So, see, this initial speaking in tongues when the Holy Ghost comes in, is this prophesied in Isaiah. The rest for our souls. So it is not a matter of speaking in another earthly language for the sake of teaching other nationality folks the message, as Peter did to that crowd. That crowd was not in that upper room. They did not speak in all those earthly languages in that upper room. They were speaking in that unknown (heavenly) language. It needs no interpretation.
Notice, also, in Acts 10:44-46–When Cornelius and his friends received the Holy Ghost it said they spoke in tongues, but not one word is said about it being interpreted. It was not that kind of gift being manifested. This was just for them. Again, Acts 19:1-6–Paul met some believers (already believed, mind you) yet they did not have the Holy Ghost. Paul laid hands on them (after baptizing them in the name of Jesus) and they were filled with the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues and prophesied. Not one word is said about this being interpreted. For there was no need for it. It was not a matter of teaching to people of another language. It was just for their own edification .
People that do not know of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, who think only believing gets one saved, have always used this of needing to be interpreted, to say speaking in tongues at the initial filling is not right. But, it is because they did not know how to discern the difference in speaking for ones own edification and speaking for the edification of others.
All of you Pentecostals, come to understand this so you can teach it to the unbelievers in what we have from God. And you others, study this to learn the truth; quit just listening to some church doctrine. It will not save you. you must believe the Scriptures, not a church.
By: Jo Smith
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=1;t=211;hl=tongues
A very large thread on this subject, for reference.
Not with the same understanding. That thread has all the same old things those who have debated it through the years argue.
This is truth they both need to read.
Hi Eve,
The tongues of angels[1cor13.1]would not be understood.
The Baptism in the Spirit of God is not limited to man's full control and understanding.Quote People overlook that fact that in that upper room, where they received the Holy Ghost, there was no one present who did not speak the same language. That speaking in tongues was not the same gift manifested later to that crowd of milti-languaged people. So the speaking in tongues in the upper room was not the same. This was the tongue given to people when they first are Baptized with the Holy Ghost. It is a heavenly language; not an earthly language.
Interesting point about them all speaking the same language.
What do you make of this:
“All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.” (Acts 2:4; NIV)“and they all became filled with holy spirit and started to speak with different tongues, just as the spirit was granting them to make utterance.” (Acts 2:4; NW)
OK, actually, I just read the next couple verses:
ACTS 2:4-6
“and they all became filled with holy spirit and started to speak with different tongues, just as the spirit was granting them to make utterance. As it was, there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, reverent men, from every nation of those under heaven. So, when this sound occurred, the multitude came together and were bewildered, because each one heard them speaking in his own language.”It is obvious that this speaking in “different tongues” (languages) was for the benefit of those who spoke different languages. The verse says there were people dwelling in Jerusalem from every nation under heaven. So, there was a need for them to somehow hear this message, in their own language.
ACTS 2:7-12
“Indeed, they were astonished and began to wonder and say: “See here, all these who are speaking are Gal·i·le′ans, are they not? And yet how is it we are hearing, each one of us, his own language in which we were born? Par′thi·ans and Medes and E′lam·ites, and the inhabitants of Mes·o·po·ta′mi·a, and Ju·de′a and Cap·pa·do′ci·a, Pon′tus and the [district of] Asia, and Phryg′i·a and Pam·phyl′i·a, Egypt and the parts of Lib′y·a, which is toward Cy·re′ne, and sojourners from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cre′tans and Arabians, we hear them speaking in our tongues about the magnificent things of God.” Yes, they were all astonished and were in perplexity, saying one to another: “What does this thing purport to be?””Quote People overlook that fact that in that upper room, where they received the Holy Ghost, there was no one present who did not speak the same language. That speaking in tongues was not the same gift manifested later to that crowd of milti-languaged people. So the speaking in tongues in the upper room was not the same. This was the tongue given to people when they first are Baptized with the Holy Ghost. It is a heavenly language; not an earthly language. It had no need for interpretation.
Obviously, it has “no need for interpretation” because “Par′thi·ans and Medes and E′lam·ites, and the inhabitants of Mes·o·po·ta′mi·a, and Ju·de′a and Cap·pa·do′ci·a, Pon′tus and the [district of] Asia, and Phryg′i·a and Pam·phyl′i·a, Egypt and the parts of Lib′y·a, which is toward Cy·re′ne, and sojourners from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cre′tans and Arabians, we hear them speaking in our tongues
They could understand their own langauge. No need for interpretation there.
The only need for interpretation was when someone spoke in a tongue for the benefit of others and someone else there could not understand that language. (ie: Someone who normally speaks Greek, is speaking before a crowd of people, some of whom speak Greek and some of whom speak Coptic, and for the benefit of those who speak Coptic, he is speaking in tongues, in coptic. But the people who speak Greek cannot understand. So, now we need an interpreter.)
david
Hi david,
The gift of interpretation of tongues is not natural but a spiritual gift.
Even the tongues of angels can be spoken[1Cor13.1] so no man knows those.Quote (eveh @ Sep. 07 2009,10:54) Many do not understand the gift of tongues; even those how have experienced this. Because they do not study the Word enough to receive the knowledge of it. There is more than one manifestation of this gift. The tongues spoken on the day of Pentecost, in the upper room was not the same that was later to the great crowd of people of all languages there. People overlook that fact that in that upper room, where they received the Holy Ghost, there was no one present who did not speak the same language. That speaking in tongues was not the same gift manifested later to that crowd of milti-languaged people.
So the speaking in tongues in the upper room was not the same. This was the tongue given to people when they first are Baptized with the Holy Ghost. It is a heavenly language; not an earthly language. It had no need for interpretation. There is not one word said there about it having to be interpreted. nor that it was interpreted. 1Cor. 14:2-9— For space, I will not quote all of this, read it. v2—For he that speaketh in an unknown (now get that: an UNKNOWN TONGUE). (this is not an earthly language; if it were, it would not be an unknown tongue). See, people just did not really get the true revelation of the Word.
v2—-For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh NOT unto MEN, but unto GOD: for NO MAN (no one anywhere, so it is not an earthly language)—-understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. (see, they were not speaking to men).
v3–But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
v4—He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
Then Paul goes on to say that in the church we should interpret it for the sake of edification of the church. But, notice, this is not the same thing that happened on the Day of Pentecost, in the upper room. That was not given to edify any church. The church was not even in existence at that time. That was only for them personally. That is the same thing happens when one is filled with the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. This is only for that individual; not for the edification of the church.
Messages given in tongues in the church should be interpreted. That is what Paul is speaking of in verse 9.
v18–I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all; yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
Here he is speaking of teaching in the church. The other is in his private devotion. But, he is not saying we can't speak in tongues in the church. It should be kept back unless someone can interpret it; for the sake of edifying the church. That was not the case on the Day of Pentecost. It is not the same thing. This is the same self sacrificing nature shown in Paul when he said I could wish myself accursed from Christ for my Kinsmen sake. I personally have never been able to say that.
He was willing to hold back his own blessing of speaking in tongues in the church for the sake of teaching others.
v22–Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not. This is saying that the gift of giving out a message in the church and the interpretation is for a sign to the unbelievers in the midst. So this is not what happened in the upper room. There were no unbelievers there. That was not the same working of the spirit. That tongues was the evidence of being filled with the Spirit. It is the fulfillment of Isaiah 28:11,12—For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the REST wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest. Remember Jesus said come unto me all ye that are weary and I will give you rest to your souls. This is what he meant. This is the New Testament REST. Not a 7th day sabbath.
So, see, this initial speaking in tongues when the Holy Ghost comes in, is this prophesied in Isaiah. The rest for our souls. So it is not a matter of speaking in another earthly language for the sake of teaching other nationality folks the message, as Peter did to that crowd. That crowd was not in that upper room. They did not speak in all those earthly languages in that upper room. They were speaking in that unknown (heavenly) language. It needs no interpretation.
Notice, also, in Acts 10:44-46–When Cornelius and his friends received the Holy Ghost it said they spoke in tongues, but not one word is said about it being interpreted. It was not that kind of gift being manifested. This was just for them. Again, Acts 19:1-6–Paul met some believers (already believed, mind you) yet they did not have the Holy Ghost. Paul laid hands on them (after baptizing them in the name of Jesus) and they were filled with the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues and prophesied. Not one word is said about this being interpreted. For there was no need for it. It was not a matter of teaching to people of another language. It was just for their own edification .
People that do not know of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, who think only believing gets one saved, have always used this of needing to be interpreted, to say speaking in tongues at the initial filling is not right. But, it is because they did not know how to discern the difference in speaking for ones own edification and speaking for the edification of others.
All of you Pentecostals, come to understand this so you can teach it to the unbelievers in what we have from God. And you others, study this to learn the truth; quit just listening to some church doctrine. It will not save you. you must believe the Scriptures, not a church.
By: Jo Smith
Hi Eve:I believe that you are correct about what happened in the upper room, because of the following verse which states:
Quote Act 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language The disciples had received the Holy Ghost and had spoken in other tongues, but now, “when this was noised abroad, the multituded came together…” and heard them speak in their own language.
Also, I do not believe that the Apostle Paul would say that speaking in tongues in church would be inappropriate if it was done when someone was first saved, and they spoke in tongues when they received the Holy Ghost.
However, the gift of tongues is prayer language, and other than what I have said above, I believe that the Apostle Paul is stating one should not speak in tongues unless there is an interpreter since the church does understand what is being said, it would do nothing to edify the church.
Love in Christ,
Marty
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