the truth about John 3;5-6

[terraricca]

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Thank you Pierre for your explanation. At the coming,the first friuts(144000) wil meet the lord in the air,for they are special.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Th 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN YOUR TEACHING AND THE SCRIPTURES

Mt 5:37 Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.

Mt 7:24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
Mt 7:25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.
Mt 7:26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.
Mt 7:27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

Mt 10:24 “A student is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master.
Mt 10:25 It is enough for the student to be like his teacher, and the servant like his master. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebub, how much more the members of his household!

Mt 13:44 “The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field.

Mt 25:23 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

do you know what truthful means

Pierre

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 07 2012,15:07)

wake up Quote Thank you Pierre for your explanation. At the coming,the first friuts(144000) wil meet the lord in the air,for they are special. 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 1Th 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN YOUR TEACHING AND THE SCRIPTURES Mt 5:37 Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one. Mt 7:24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. Mt 7:25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. Mt 7:26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. Mt 7:27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.” Mt 10:24 “A student is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. Mt 10:25 It is enough for the student to be like his teacher, and the servant like his master. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebub, how much more the members of his household! Mt 13:44 “The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field. Mt 25:23 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’ do you know what truthful means Pierre

Hi pierre.

You believe that when Christ comes;all christians will be caught up in the air. This is true, but partly accurate.

THERE IS A FIRST FRUIT: THEY ARE FIRST: WHY?
BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT FOLLOW THE LAMB WHERESOEVER HE GOES(true followers).144000.

What will happen to the luke warm?
They will be put through the fire(tribulation) now they must: put the money where the mouth is.(not only worshipping with the lips anymore).Now they must make a decision;take the number or refuse,for christ sake.

Then after the trib. they will also be caught up in the air,
The dead first; and then them that are alive,will be changed.

But, all the wicked Christians,will stay in the grave; they will be judged in the second resurrection,judged according to the books.Their judgement will be more harsh than the pagan nations.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU
You say
“You believe that when Christ comes;all christians will be caught up in the air. This is true, but partly accurate.

THERE IS A FIRST FRUIT: THEY ARE FIRST: WHY?
BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT FOLLOW THE LAMB WHERESOEVER HE GOES(true followers).144000.”

Is this written?

“What will happen to the luke warm?
They will be put through the fire(tribulation) now they must: put the money where the mouth is.(not only worshipping with the lips anymore).Now they must make a decision;take the number or refuse,for christ sake.

Then after the trib. they will also be caught up in the air,
The dead first; and then them that are alive,will be changed.

That does not agree with scripture . Two groups are taken up but they are those who have died and then those who are alive follow

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
You offer this opinion as the TRUTH about jn3

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If you consider the conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus; you will see that the topic was about being born again: birth; not babtism,but somehow,the churches explained that as about babtism.

We are all born of water,we come out of the sack of water.
We are all flesh,born of the flesh.”

You are far from the truth

[journey42]

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That does not agree with scripture . Two groups are taken up but they are those who have died and then those who are alive follow

Nick

1 Thessalonians 4:16   For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1 Thessalonians 4:17   Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:52   In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

The above describes the first resurrection of the populations who will resurrected.
Those dead will be resurrected FIRST,
now think of this.  Christ did not go straight up to God, but was seen and witnessed first by Mary, before he ascended.
This must be the same.  Witnesses will see the dead live again just before they are taken up.

Then those who are alive will be changed in a twinkling of the eye then caught up and TOGETHER they will meet in the air.  At the same time.

The first fruits however, are the 144,000.  These are called the FIRST FRUITS.
When a farmer picks his firstfruits, he picks 10% of the best, and stores them.
Same with the 144,000, they will be picked up first, just before the rest and are not mentioned in that verse, cause they are already taken up.  

1 Corinthians 15:23   But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (the second group)

There are first-fruits in the general resurrection, meaning the first of all men to be resurrected (in the 1st resurrection)
and then there are the first-fruits, of the first-fruits, only 144,000 of them.

[NickHassan]

Hi J42,
Christ has been taken up as the first fruits
Those in Christ follow when he returns to the air.
Then he comes to earth with them to rule and restore.
Then the millenium followed by the rest going to the judgement.

The Jewish remnant are taken to a place of safety

[journey42]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 18 2014,17:52)

Hi J42, Christ has been taken up as the first fruits Those in Christ follow when he returns to the air. Then he comes to earth with them to rule and restore. Then the millenium followed by the rest going to the judgement. The Jewish remnant are taken to a place of safety

Nick

So where do you fit in the 144,000 first-fruits?
Why are they called first-fruits?

Revelation 14:4   These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men,being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Why is it only them standing on Mt Zion with Christ? Where are the rest?

Revelation 14:1   And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Revelation 14:3   And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Does this look like they are just in the air?

[Wakeup]

The gospels only is so hard to understand.
When is the time to understand the deeper things of God?

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi j42,
A different harvest
They are the first fruits of the chosen people

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 07 2012,15:07) wake up Quote Thank you Pierre for your explanation. At the coming,the first friuts(144000) wil meet the lord in the air,for they are special. 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 1Th 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN YOUR TEACHING AND THE SCRIPTURES Mt 5:37 Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one. Mt 7:24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. Mt 7:25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. Mt 7:26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. Mt 7:27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.” Mt 10:24 “A student is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. Mt 10:25 It is enough for the student to be like his teacher, and the servant like his master. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebub, how much more the members of his household! Mt 13:44 “The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field. Mt 25:23 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’ do you know what truthful means Pierre Hi pierre. You believe that when Christ comes;all christians will be caught up in the air. This is true, but partly accurate. THERE IS A FIRST FRUIT: THEY ARE FIRST: WHY? BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT FOLLOW THE LAMB WHERESOEVER HE GOES(true followers).144000. What will happen to the luke warm? They will be put through the fire(tribulation) now they must: put the money where the mouth is.(not only worshipping with the lips anymore).Now they must make a decision;take the number or refuse,for christ sake. Then after the trib. they will also be caught up in the air, The dead first; and then them that are alive,will be changed. But, all the wicked Christians,will stay in the grave; they will be judged in the second resurrection,judged according to the books.Their judgement will be more harsh than the pagan nations. wakeup.

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You believe that when Christ comes;all christians will be caught up in the air.

No,I do not believe that ;many are dead ,and Paul mention only those that would be still alive at the return of Christ will be caught up in the air

[NickHassan]

Hi j42,
The bond servants closely follow the Lord.

[NickHassan]

Hi J42,
You say
“This must be the same. Witnesses will see the dead live again just before they are taken up.”
Any evidence?

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2014,07:41)

Hi J42, You say “This must be the same.  Witnesses will see the dead live again just before they are taken up.” Any evidence?

Nick.

What dead are you speaking of?
If it is about the two witnesses;yes all will see them standing on their feet after three days dead.
rev.11:11.is the evidence.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Ask Journey42

[journey42]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2014,05:18)

Hi j42, The bond servants closely follow the Lord.

Nick

Galatians 4:30   Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Galatians 4:31   So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

[journey42]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2014,07:41)

Hi J42, You say “This must be the same.  Witnesses will see the dead live again just before they are taken up.” Any evidence?

Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. [/color]

Nick, it is just something to think about, not fight about.
If Jesus did not go straight up to his Father when he was resurrected, then it makes sense that we will follow suit. Just for a short time.

…because the dead in Christ will rise first, and then those that are alive will be changed, and together they will be picked up into the air.

The two witnesses will be the same. People will witness them rise from the dead. They will be first.

Why would we get to go straight up, when Jesus did not himself? Christ is the first of all those born from the dead, the preeminence, and in the fashion it was done.

[NickHassan]

Hi J42,
Yes inheritance is under the freedom of the promise to Abraham and not the Law.

Jesus was raised in his physical body so he could continue his ministry here.
We are immediately given the new body.

[Ed J]

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Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 27 2012,14:24) To all, Jesus was teaching of the immersion of John the Baptist which included a pledge of a clear conscious before God.  The fulfillment of that pledge is that the immersee walks according to a new spirit and so is reborn in spirit. kerwin ho yeah ? Jn 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! Jn 1:30 This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ Jn 1:31 I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel.” Jn 1:32 Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him.

Hi Pierre,

Water-baptism was given as a “SYMBOL” to Israel, what saves is baptism with God's HolySpirit!  (ref. Rom. 8:9 & 11)

“And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou
 shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the HolySpirit.” (John 1:31-33)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 27 2012,07:42) kerwin ho yeah ? Jn 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! Jn 1:30 This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ Jn 1:31 I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel.” Jn 1:32 Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. Hi Pierre, Water-baptism was given as a “SYMBOL” to Israel, what saves is baptism with God's HolySpirit!  (ref. Rom. 8:9 & 11) “And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.  And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.  And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou  shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the HolySpirit.” (John 1:31-33) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

“God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered
 the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise. And his brightness was as the light;
 he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power.” (Hab 3:3-4)

[journey42]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2014,06:08)

Hi J42, Yes inheritance is under the freedom of the promise to Abraham and not the Law. Jesus was raised in his physical body so he could continue his ministry here. We are immediately given the new body.

Nick

What on earth are you trying to say now.
Most of your statements are anti-truth, anti-scripture, – against.

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

To say Jesus was raised in his physical body is to say he was raised in the flesh.

He appeared out of nowhere to Mary, he disappeared.
He came back and appeared to the appostles, they touched him, then he disappeared. He was spirit, who can change into flesh, but he is not really flesh, but spirit.

Jesus had to manifest into flesh so that they could see him. We cannot see spirit in their natural form, as they are invisible.

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