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In his latest offerings on natural history, t8 includes this:
Quote I personally have no problem with science when it is conducted or taught in a truthful way. So does t8 have a problem when creationists lie about evolution, which they do almost constantly, or is it only science that must adhere to high standards of probity and honesty?
I seem to remember something about a commandment about that…I guess Jesus's blood means creationists are no longer under that law…
http://www.intelligentdesign.net/primer.htm
http://members.cox.net/ardipithecus/evol/lies/
http://www.computernewbie.info/wheatdo….nuendosTo be fair, I should add that t8 has removed from the site some earlier material on evolution that was factually incorrect.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 07 2009,19:47) So does t8 have a problem when creationists lie about evolution.
I disagree with all misrepresentation. Doesn't matter who it is.t8
This is me cheating a bit, because we all grow and change our opinions, as indeed I have over time too, however, I would assume then that based on that declaration, you would no longer stand by these, which are misrepresentations:
Quote if DNA code in a monkey is similar to a human, it only proves that the creator reuses his code, not that we came from monkeys. (It is just as equally evidence of common ancestry as it is of divine recycling. Of course there is much other evidence for common ancestry.)
Quote Another difficulty for the theory of Evolution is in describing how Evolution or nothing constructed what we see in the micro world of Quantum. In this level of creation, we see positive and negative protons that pair up and act in exact opposite manner to it's partner. (This is not a difficulty for Evolution by Natural Selection.)
Quote Hitler believed and practiced evolution. He exercised his right to become the dominant human (type) and tried to kill off what he thought were humans closer to monkeys. (You cannot ‘practice’ evolution, because evolution is just the description of speciation, and its mechanism is natural selection which is not the same as the artificial selection that Hitler enacted.)
Quote Evolution in it's very core justifies murder. It says that species have the right and do take over ecosystems and annihilate the old and less flexible evolutionary models. (Evolution has no ethical implications: it is just a description of what happened in history.)
Quote I personally do not believe that our ancestors were chimps. The so called proof for this is genetics and the fossil record. But neither prove that our ancestors were chimps (Our ancestors were not chimpanzees. Evidence is not ‘proof’.)
Stuart
Couldn't resist.
What you say Stu is still imagination and has nothing to do with proof or any kind of justification that there is no God. Even if species changed into other ones then it would be a coded response and hence a design of God too. Either way there is a God because laws do not exist without a law maker. Code and it's logic is the result of a coder or logical mind, and design is the product of a designer. All you have to do is put 'er' on the end of the words. Since when was there an engine without an engineer, or life without a life giver? Really basic stuff, but God does allow a mind to stray so far from reality that they are cursed with foolishness.
Your theories may exist in your mind Stu, but that is where it stays because it is not reflective of reality.
As it stands Stu, all you have is no understanding or observation of a God and a theory about species with DNA code that is similar or the same leading to similar or the same traits in different species. The religion you haev built around this is preposterous. Yes, we classify species, orders, phylum's, etc, to our observations of design, but the bit that says that they are actually grandparents through a thing called Evolution is the fanciful imaginative part. Your vision of no God and everything coming from nothing, and a single cell animal on earth evolving into all the different species we see today, is certainly a huge leap of faith in the wrong direction and I cannot subscribe to it as I once did. My eyes have been opened so to speak.
Your religion that believes and subscribes to billions of galaxies each containing millions or billions of stars and planets made up of God knows how many atoms and quarks, as actually coming from nothing is truly and absolutely absurd, ridiculous, and just plain foolish.
Like I have said many times. Show me how something comes from nothing and then self organises to produce complexity, logic, laws, code, etc. You only need to demonstrate that, and we can progress from there. Otherwise, your fanciful religious beliefs that all came from nothing is ludicrous and insane and I only bother debating this with you because atheism has a growing number of adherents, otherwise I wouldn't bother debating this foolish doctrine. I don't debate crop circles as being made by aliens for the same reason, unless I saw a growing number of adherents and then I might bother, although that belief on its own doesn't destroy your soul.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 15 2010,16:33) What you say Stu is still imagination and has nothing to do with proof or any kind of justification that there is no God. Even if species changed into other ones then it would be a coded response and hence a design of God too. Either way there is a God because laws do not exist without a law maker. Code and it's logic is the result of a coder or logical mind, and design is the product of a designer. All you have to do is put 'er' on the end of the words. Since when was there an engine without an engineer, or life without a life giver? Really basic stuff, but God does allow a mind to stray so far from reality that they are cursed with foolishness. Your theories may exist in your mind Stu, but that is where it stays because it is not reflective of reality.
As it stands Stu, all you have is no understanding or observation of a God and a theory about species with DNA code that is similar or the same leading to similar or the same traits in different species. The religion you haev built around this is preposterous. Yes, we classify species, orders, phylum's, etc, to our observations of design, but the bit that says that they are actually grandparents through a thing called Evolution is the fanciful imaginative part. Your vision of no God and everything coming from nothing, and a single cell animal on earth evolving into all the different species we see today, is certainly a huge leap of faith in the wrong direction and I cannot subscribe to it as I once did. My eyes have been opened so to speak.
Your religion that believes and subscribes to billions of galaxies each containing millions or billions of stars and planets made up of God knows how many atoms and quarks, as actually coming from nothing is truly and absolutely absurd, ridiculous, and just plain foolish.
Like I have said many times. Show me how something comes from nothing and then self organises to produce complexity, logic, laws, code, etc. You only need to demonstrate that, and we can progress from there. Otherwise, your fanciful religious beliefs that all came from nothing is ludicrous and insane and I only bother debating this with you because atheism has a growing number of adherents, otherwise I wouldn't bother debating this foolish doctrine. I don't debate crop circles as being made by aliens for the same reason, unless I saw a growing number of adherents and then I might bother, although that belief on its own doesn't destroy your soul.
You are the one making this into a discussion of your Imaginary Friend. I never mentioned it in this thread.I have explained how complexity arises in biology already. Anyone wanting to catch up with it only need read a good source on the subject, or even Wikipedia which is pretty good on this stuff.
While you post these waffly generalities and religious platitudes you are avoiding the fact that actually you cannot explain the fossil record, specifically how new species have arisen throughout the past 4 billion years.
Until you can answer my specific points with specific responses such as an answer to that, I think it's pretty clear that all you have is assertion of your fantasy story and special pleading in the absence of any proper evidence.
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 16 2010,18:13) Why don't you debate me on this subject?
Because I am not sure you could take the thumping.Stuart
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