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Hi all, this is an open discussion for anyone. Moved from another thread. It is about the times we are in, it is about watching, it is about being “awake” and not “asleep”. It is also about deceit, and being deceived. And it is a place to post news/alternate news items (please – not WHOLE articles – just headline and link – thanks).
The second advent of Jesus Christ.
(my notes in brackets)
2nd Peter chapter 3 – The destruction of the world by fire (the return of the Lord).Matthew 24..
4 “And Jesus answered, and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my Name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many.23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there, believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, so that if it were possible, they should deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert, go not forth: Behold, he is in the secret places, believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the East, and is seen into the West, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever a dead carcass is, thither will the Eagles be gathered together.”Revelation19 – 17 “And I saw an Angel stand in the sun who cried with a loud voice, saying, to all the fowls that did fly by the midst of heaven, come, and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God.”
Matthew 24 – 30 “And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the kindreds of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man come in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his Angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect, from the four winds, and from the one end of the heavens unto the other. (That is the ones who are remaining alive)37 But as the days of Noah were , so likewise shall the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days before the flood, they did eat and drink, marry, and give in marriage, unto the day that Noah entered into the Ark,
39 And knew nothing, till the flood came, and took them all away, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then two shall be in the fields, the one shall be taken (destroyed) and the other shall be left. (remain alive)
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill: the one shall be taken and the other shall be left.”1 Thessalonians 4 -16 “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, and with the voice of the Archangel, and with the trumpet of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then shall we which live and remain, be caught up with them also in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”Matthew 13.
“Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.”
“The harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”“The Lord will come as a thief in the night, in the which the heavens shall pass away with a noise, and the elements shall melt with heat, and the earth with the works that are therein shall be burnt up.”
“But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day shall come on you, as it were a thief.“
Watch that you are not deceived.
Watch that you are not caught naked (without God).
Pray and ask God alone to guide you – and he will guide.*The first resurrection would be at the coming of the son of man, with the destruction of the world, by fire.
They are safe from the second death.
They are raised from the dead with the saints, (those who remain alive after the destruction of the world).
They are all believers in Christ.
The second resurrection of ALL of the dead is after.
They are all judged on what they did.
Some are given eternal life, and some are given eternal death, all based on what they did.
This is in the new heavens and new earth.*addendum.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 27)
2Besee.You've got this one close to target.
What about them that are saying: look he is coming.
He can come at any moment so watch?What do you say about them?
The coming is to **gather the true christians**,and to destroy babylon by burning. There will be survivors;but their cities will be no more.Babylon the great is flat,in heaps.
There are still the dead in their graves.
They will stay in their graves for another 1000yrs plus.
Untill the white throne judgement.Christ and his resurrected saints will be the kings over them
and over the jews brought back by choice.
They(jews) and their children will be taught by the saints.
And the jews will go out and teach the gentiles.(with no satan).(just his angels).You should have noticed that satan and his angels were not cast into the lake of fire at the coming.
Only the beast and the false prophet were.rev.19:20.wakeup.
I am right against Christian discussion/debates over doctrine/beliefs in public, now. (Only in private with a very close few, should these things be discussed). Though there is a place for the times we are in (WATCH Jesus said).
We have no need of any “teachers”, because the Holy Spirit is our teacher.
But just so that you know where I stand, with beliefs:I believe that God the creator, and the son, Jesus, are in Heaven, on thrones. And that the Holy Spirit is the “connection line” (that is hard to word), that now goes from the Father, through the son, and down to God's people, on Earth. So they are as one.
That is how the Father, and the son of man is here, but is also still to come.1st Corinthians 2.
10 But God hath
revealed them unto us by
his Spirit: for the spirit
searcheth all things,
yea, the deep things of
God.
11 For what man
knoweth the things of a
man, save the spirit of
a man, which is in him?
even so the things of God
knoweth no man, but the
Spirit of God.
12 Now we have
receiveth not the spirit
of the world, but the
Spirit, which is of God,
that we might
know the things that are
given to us of God.
13 Which things also
we speak, not in the
words which man’s
wisdom teacheth, but
which the holy Ghost
teacheth, comparing
spiritual things with
spiritual things.
14 But the
natural man perceiveth
not the things of the
Spirit of God: for they are
foolishness unto him,
neither can he know
them , because they are
spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is
spiritual, discerneth
all things: yet he
himself is judged of
no man.
16 For who hath
known the mind of the
Lord, that he might
instruct him? But we
have the mind of
Christ.That is my beliefs.
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 27 2013,10:37) I am right against Christian discussion/debates over doctrine/beliefs in public, now. (Only in private with a very close few, should these things be discussed). Though there is a place for the times we are in (WATCH Jesus said). We have no need of any “teachers”, because the Holy Spirit is our teacher.
But just so that you know where I stand, with beliefs:I believe that God the creator, and the son, Jesus, are in Heaven, on thrones. And that the Holy Spirit is the “connection line” (that is hard to word), that now goes from the Father, through the son, and down to God's people, on Earth. So they are as one.
That is how the Father, and the son of man is here, but is also still to come.1st Corinthians 2.
10 But God hath
revealed them unto us by
his Spirit: for the spirit
searcheth all things,
yea, the deep things of
God.
11 For what man
knoweth the things of a
man, save the spirit of
a man, which is in him?
even so the things of God
knoweth no man, but the
Spirit of God.
12 Now we have
receiveth not the spirit
of the world, but the
Spirit, which is of God,
that we might
know the things that are
given to us of God.
13 Which things also
we speak, not in the
words which man’s
wisdom teacheth, but
which the holy Ghost
teacheth, comparing
spiritual things with
spiritual things.
14 But the
natural man perceiveth
not the things of the
Spirit of God: for they are
foolishness unto him,
neither can he know
them , because they are
spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is
spiritual, discerneth
all things: yet he
himself is judged of
no man.
16 For who hath
known the mind of the
Lord, that he might
instruct him? But we
have the mind of
Christ.That is my beliefs.
2Besee.Are you refusing to answer? Thats fine.
Are we not to teach and warn our brothers?
Are we to hide our penny in the sand?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 28 2013,00:44) 2Besee. Are you refusing to answer? Thats fine.
Are we not to teach and warn our brothers?
Are we to hide our penny in the sand?wakeup.
So…. How will you know that it is Jesus who has returned, and not a fake?
Yes we need to warn people.
As to your other points – my mind goes blank. It's what happens when I'm not supposed to hear. It's what happened with the JW magazines, too.
What you say does not fit in with the order of events as I believe..
Jesus is coming, all will be DESTROYED, only some will still be standing, and they will be gathered to Jesus in the air.
Then is judgment day of ALL OF THE DEAD.
Now is the day of salvation. Now is the time to repent. Fear God, BELIEVE in God, who created the heavens and the earth and all that is in them.
Watch that your are not deceived, because today is the days of deception.
look up because our redemption draws close, at the very gates.
That is to anyone.
Put away your alcohol completely.
Turn off music completely.
Turn off the TV.
They are tools used to deceive the world today.
Return to God if you have gone away from him.Okay, I'll answer.
Quote What about them that are saying: look he is coming. He can come at any moment so watch? What do you say about them?
Yes. We are to watch.
Acts 1:11
Ye men of Galilee,
why stand ye gazing into heaven? This Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven,
shall so come,
as ye have seen him go into heaven.Luke 21
25 Then there shall be signs in the sun,
and in the moon,
and in the stars,
and upon the earth trouble among the nations,
with perplexity:
the sea and the waters shall roar.
26 And men’s hearts shall fail them for fear
and for looking after those things which shall come on the world:
for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man come in a cloud,
with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass,
then look up,
and lift up your heads:
for your redemption draweth near.That is what we are to do: look up, like the men of Galilee. Watch what is happening up there.
Quote The coming is to **gather the true christians**,and to destroy babylon by burning. There will be survivors;but their cities will be no more.Babylon the great is flat,in heaps. WP,
Babylon is the world…around the sealed. That is what I think. So, all of the visible world will be destroyed, apart from the sealed.
Think about that.
You say something else, though?Quote There are still the dead in their graves. They will stay in their graves for another 1000yrs plus. Untill the white throne judgement. A thousand years or one day, we do not know when. It could be the same day as the second advent of Jesus Christ.
Quote
Christ and his resurrected saints will be
the kings over them
and over the jews brought back by choice.
They(jews) and their children will be taught
by the saints.
And the jews will go out and teach the
gentiles.(with no satan).(just his angels).
You should have noticed that satan and his
angels were not cast into the lake of fire at
the coming.
Only the beast and the false prophet
were.rev.19:20.I disagree, you know.
Do you see that you, Wakeup…. will be easily deceived. Can you see that?Okay, to the news. Things are going on up there, I hope you are watching.
For those following any updates to comet Ison:
Huge Update! NASA Now Says Comet ISON
Orbit 582,666 Years & Can’t Predict
Outcome! (Video)<a href="http://beforeitsnews.com/space/2013/11/huge-update-nasa-now-says-comet-ison-orbit-582666-years-cant-predict-outcome-video-2470452
.html” target=”_blank”>http://beforeitsnews.com/space….52.htmlThere are all kinds of conflicting stories coming out now about comet Ison. Some say it had a EXPLODED! Some say it is doing good and looking beautiful. Well it is now approaching the sun, and will travel around the sun – and what will happen is anyones guess. They don't know!
I follow what is happening on beforeitsnews.Also, there has been many “UFO” sightings recently, and lights in the sky, all over the world.
2besee,Nov. wrote:.
Quote So…. How will you know that it is Jesus who has returned, and not a fake? Yes we need to warn people.
2BesseJesus cannot return until all prophesies leading up to his return are fulfilled. If we are in darkness (no knowledge) then we will not know the signs.
Before Christ will return, the Son of Perdition must come FIRST. He is the false prophet. He is the rider on the pale horse in the fourth seal,
THE FOURTH SEAL IS NEXT TO COME
Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with the sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.So this rider is not alone, he has “them” with him. Find out who “them” is?
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.concentrate on the 10 horns with ten crowns (10 kings)
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns, which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. (The OTHER Beast, the false prophet)So we have the rider of the pale horse whose name is “Death”, this is the false prophet, and “them” that are with him are the 10 kings.
So the kingdom that is given to the 10 kings must be set up first. This is a new type of Kingdom, a kingdom with new laws, and great power like never before. This is the NEW WORLD ORDER that is already here, but has not been given full power YET to rule. When God gives the go-ahead, they will declare their power, with this new kingdom, they will rule on their own for a while … THEN they will elect a LEADER. This leader is the false prophet, the Son of Perdition, the Son of Satan himself born of a woman, the rider of the pale horse. We don't really know his name yet, until he appears, but we will identify him straight away, for we are expecting him to lead the NWO.They, the 10 kings shall one mind (one purpose). They are the ones who will be responsible for all the death that is to come. But they only have power for one hour with the beast (their leader, the false prophet) One hour is a short time. How long do you think they will rule with the beast? (the false prophet)
Rev 13:5 and there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (3 1/2 yrs)
Rev 13:15 And he (the false prophet) had power to give life unto the image of the beast, (the new kingdom/system/NWO) that the image of the beast should both speak and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. (If we don't follow their rules, then it's death. Marshall law is coming.)
Rev 13:16 And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. (There will be a few rebels who will not conform to this new system, but mainly this is designed by Satan to kill the saints, as they will refuse this new system, and refuse the mark of the beast. This is our big test, take the mark and eat (live) or refuse the mark and starve (die) or be put in prison, ..or be killed.Matthew 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
This is not just changing our way of life how we live, this is the real thing now, just like the apostles and saints who died for defending Christ's name, the same will be for us.
THE FIFTH SEAL
Rev 6:9 And I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held. (saints that have died in the past)
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed AS THEY WERE, should be FULFILLED.summary: Before Christ returns, this must all happen first. Then we have the 6th & 7th seal to come after. If we expect Christ to come any day now before this is fulfilled, then we are in darkness. So how can we get this false prophet confused with the real Christ? Well, sadly, many will be deceived, and will take him for the real Christ at first because he will be performing miracles and giving false peace. But those of us who know the signs will not be fooled, for God has prepared us through his holy scriptures, and uncovered the deep things of what's to come.
Christ will destroy this false prophet at his coming, and will roar from high, and if we are accepted by Christ, we will be raised out of our graves, and those that are still alive will be taken up to meet the Lord in the Air. No one else can do this. Christ comes for us, not the other way round.I hope you can understand this a little better now?
Journey, I'll get back to you in the next few days, though I will be busy also.
Thanks for your post.
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Quote (2besee @ Nov. 28 2013,10:16) Okay, I'll answer. Quote What about them that are saying: look he is coming. He can come at any moment so watch? What do you say about them?
Yes. We are to watch.
Acts 1:11
Ye men of Galilee,
why stand ye gazing into heaven? This Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven,
shall so come,
as ye have seen him go into heaven.Luke 21
25 Then there shall be signs in the sun,
and in the moon,
and in the stars,
and upon the earth trouble among the nations,
with perplexity:
the sea and the waters shall roar.
26 And men’s hearts shall fail them for fear
and for looking after those things which shall come on the world:
for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man come in a cloud,
with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass,
then look up,
and lift up your heads:
for your redemption draweth near.That is what we are to do: look up, like the men of Galilee. Watch what is happening up there.
Quote The coming is to **gather the true christians**,and to destroy babylon by burning. There will be survivors;but their cities will be no more.Babylon the great is flat,in heaps. WP,
Babylon is the world…around the sealed. That is what I think. So, all of the visible world will be destroyed, apart from the sealed.
Think about that.
You say something else, though?Quote There are still the dead in their graves. They will stay in their graves for another 1000yrs plus. Untill the white throne judgement. A thousand years or one day, we do not know when. It could be the same day as the second advent of Jesus Christ.
Quote
Christ and his resurrected saints will be
the kings over them
and over the jews brought back by choice.
They(jews) and their children will be taught
by the saints.
And the jews will go out and teach the
gentiles.(with no satan).(just his angels).
You should have noticed that satan and his
angels were not cast into the lake of fire at
the coming.
Only the beast and the false prophet
were.rev.19:20.I disagree, you know.
Do you see that you, Wakeup…. will be easily deceived. Can you see that?
2Besee.Do you really believe that only 144000 will be saved?
For they are the sealed.(rev7:4).
What about rev7:9–15?The 1000yrs:
Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the **thousand years were finished**. This is the first resurrection.Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and **shall reign with him a thousand years**.
Revelation 20:7 And when **the thousand years are expired**, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison.
And you say it can be also at the second coming?
Are you happy with that in your heart?wakeup.
Wakeup and Journey, you guys do my head in, sorry.
“No prophecy of scripture is a matter of private interpretation.”
For most of the things which YOU claim, can you show me WHERE it can be found in the New Testament? One place, just one place? Did Jesus and the disciples forget to mention it all or maybe…. this is a new revelation to only a selected few people! Right? I cannot find it in the New Testament that the Jews will be brought back and taught by the saints, etc etc, etc.
Guys – I don't know what to say.
We disagree.
I can't get my head around it.
I DO
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