The Ten Commandments

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2007,19:27)

Hi kenrch, You keep mixing up the laws. It is the law of the Spirit you should be following. Instead you may break the law throwing stones at others

Tell me Nick why did God have Moses write the sacrifical law and put that law ON THE SIDE of the ark?

And why did God Himself write the Ten Comnmandments in stone and have Moses place them INSIDE THE ARK?

Deu. 10:1-5; 31:9 & 26

Doesn't seem like God wanted them mixed up or confused.
What law did Jesus fulfill? Luke 24:44

Mat 5:17 Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

You Nick are the one throwing stones that's all you can throw YOU HAVE NO SCRIPTURE.

I tell you Pharaoh you not looking too good. You don't answer questions you twist scripture (and I've proven so with scripture) and everyone who eyes can see the empty words you use because you have no answer. But rather than admit scripture is right and Nick is wrong you say anything that amounts to nothing. BUT thanks be to Jesus you can still repent. But not with that pride you have. You will always have empty words and twisted scripture.

Oh wait wait the law of the Spirit! What spirit is that? You mean God's Holy Spirit is telling everyone to break God's law and SIN! THAT spirit? That spirit is Nick's spirit the spirit of pride.

Mar 7:7 But in vain do they worship me, Teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men.
Mar 7:8 Ye leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of men.
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well do ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your tradition.

Mar 7:20 And he said, That which proceedeth out of the man, that defileth the man.

Mar 7:22 covetings, wickednesses, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, railing, “PRIDE”, foolishness:
Mar 7:23 all these evil things proceed from within, and defile the man.

Why not go back and read all your empty words instead of answers and twisted scriptures instead of truth. Maybe your eyes will be opened.

Ok I'm ready let me have them. You know the empty words and twisted scripture. You have to answer don't you, even if it's wrong, and you even know it's wrong but you can't help yourself, can you?

Explain what this scripture says Nick I think your followers would like to know don't you?

Rom 8:6 For the mind of the flesh is death; but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace:
Rom 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be:

And this scripture Nick what is the Truth in this scripture?

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and truth.

Now I ask you Nick do these scriptures agree?

IHN,

Ken

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch,
Why do you wish the role for yourself of accuser of the brethren?
Is that obeying the law of love?

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2007,23:22)

Hi kenrch, Why do you wish the role for yourself of accuser of the brethren? Is that obeying the law of love?

Tell me Nick why don't you answer anything?

I am not your accuser Nick. Just go back from page one of this thread in fact I would ask that everybody go back to page one and see for themselves just what is your accuser and you will see that it is the scriptures that accuse you.

You have no scriptures no answers and no truth. Just pride so much pride you can't let go even though you have no answers.

You just keep throwing out the lies and I will (with scripture) prove them as such. I have the Spirit and truth (the answer book).

I'm not looking to WIN even if wrong! I want the people God is calling to come to the knowledge of the truth because God's children love truth NOT themselves.

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness doth already work: only there is one that restraineth now, until he be taken out of the way.

But the real accuser who lies and hates the truth it's all in the book.

2Th 2:10 and with all deceit of unrighteousness for them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God sendeth them a working of error, that they should believe a lie:

Come out of her Nick. You are of the harlot practicing and believing her lies and teaching them even that is in the book. Dan 7:25

IHN,

Ken

[NickHassan]

hmmm

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 18 2007,18:00)

Hi cubes, Lovely words. When the Lord of the Sabbath returns I believe he will show us how we must follow him in this regard.

True very lovely words and keeping the Sabbath the way Jesus would want us too, Spiritually.

“When the Lord of the Sabbath returns I believe he will show us how we must follow him in this regard.”

Doesn't Jesus speak to you on how to keep the Sabbath. Do you have to wait for His physical second coming?

It seems cubes is guided by the Holy Spirit and has guided her as to how to keep the Sabbath. She realizes that the forth commandment has NOT been done away with or is just for Jews.

IHL,

Ken

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 22 2007,23:30)

Hi 94, Matt 5 Context '1And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: 2And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying, “ 14-19 ” 14Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. 17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” The light is that of the Spirit of Christ in us, who are in him, teaching and enabling us to follow him. That light shines forth in love to all that we do and that love produces good fruit. The Law remains as a reminder of what God sees as sinful but now we do not just try and abide by them but let the Spirit work in us to produce good fruit in the will of God while not neglecting to check by the rules that the behaviours are of God. That set of rules was life and death to the Jews but we are no longer in danger of condemnation by them as there is no condemnation for them that are in Christ Jesus but can still learn from them as they remain true, and we still sin.

“The Law remains as a reminder of what God sees as sinful but now we do not just try and abide by them but let the Spirit work in us to produce good fruit in the will of God “while NOT neglecting to check' by the rules that the behaviours are of God”.

“That set of rules was life and death to the Jews but we are no longer in danger of condemnation by them as there is no condemnation for them that are in Christ Jesus *”but can still learn from them as they remain true, and we still sin”.

Not bad Nick. The Holy Spirit must have been tugging at you.

“They remain true, can still learn from them, while NOT neglecting to check”.

Heb 6:4  For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5  And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Heb 6:6  If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 25 2007,09:02)

Hi Is 1.18 You say “Question: Are all men capable of sinning?” Yes Given that 'sin' is defined as trangression of YHWH's Law (1 John 3:4), on what grounds could YHWH hold guilty men accountable for sin if there was no frame of reference for sin (i.e. the law)? Sin was always sin but conscience ruled till the law defined it as such. God does not need a law to work by and men too can live according to righteousness in God's eyes without knowledge of the Law. Rom 2 ” 14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) “ “Or to put it more succinctly, how could sin be imputed to an unrighteous man not under that law?” Conscience thus rules without Law.   Sin is not always imputed. Ps 32 ” 1Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. 2Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.”

Given that 'sin' is defined as trangression of YHWH's Law (1 John 3:4), on what grounds could YHWH hold guilty men accountable for sin if there was no frame of reference for sin (i.e. the law)?

Sin was always sin but conscience ruled *till* the law defined it as such.
God does not need a law to work by and men too can live according to righteousness in God's eyes without knowledge of the Law.

But we have the knowledge of the law. We can only be held accountable for what we know. And now the truth has been proclaimed in scripture that we have been breaking the forth commandment.

Just as Nick said in the earlier post:

The Law remains as a reminder of what God sees as sinful but now we do not just try and abide by them but let the Spirit work in us to produce good fruit in the will of God while not “neglecting to check by the rules that the behaviours are of God”.

Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

IHL,

Ken

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2007,00:46)

Hi P, The reason I ask is that there are so many ideas about what observing the sabbath means. Some say rest, as the scriptures originally wrote, others say attendiong a synagogue is essential on the Saturday while others insist it means going to a church building on a Sunday so I am interested in your attitude so we can work from there.

Seek the Holy Spirit and He will guide us.

[kenrch]

Well folks I got up to page 18 LOL!

I invite everyone to go over this thread and read with your own eyes the truth.

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

IHL,

Ken

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch,
You say
“I invite everyone to go over this thread and read with your own eyes the truth.

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. “

You can quote scripture till you are blue in the face and still be wrong.
You derivations have yet to measure up to scripture itself.

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2007,19:56)

Hi kenrch, You say “I invite everyone to go over this thread and read with your own eyes the truth. Joh 17:17  Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. “ You can quote scripture till you are blue in the face and still be wrong. You derivations have yet to measure up to scripture itself.

Oh you are invited too Nick

That's what I've been doing Nick, quoting scripture and more scripture and still other people quoted scripture and still you give twisted out of context scripture. Still you don't answer any questions. Still all you have are empty words just like this post. So yeah! I am blue in the face and to be honest tired of your lies and Nick's doctrine which is the POPE'S.

But you keep bring it up so I keep answering with scripture. Why what do you answer with?

IHL,

Ken

[NickHassan]

hi kenrch,
I hope you are feeling better and we can walk together again.

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2007,22:36)

hi kenrch, I hope you are feeling better and we can walk together again.

I don't recall walking together with you Nick. Unless it is Jesus is the Son of God LOL! As I said If I ever learned anything new then I don't remember what it was. And I asked if anyone had learned anything new Lately to please share it with me so I could learn it too.

You should seek to walk with God. And if you love God you will keep His Commandments. You want to walk with me? Walk with God.

1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

IHL,

Ken

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch,
It is you who walked away and took a high moral vantage point and started throwing stones at your brothers.

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2007,22:54)

Hi kenrch, It is you who walked away and took a high moral vantage point and started throwing stones at your brothers.

All I did is give you scripture if your spirit doesn't like it I can understand WHY.

What stones have I thrown?

IHL,

Ken

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch.
“Who me throwing stones?”
Mirror anyone?

[Faith First]

                  60 Bible Facts Concerning the Sabbath Truth

WHY keep the Sabbath day? What is the object of the Sabbath? Who made it? When was it made, and for whom? Which day is the true Sabbath? Many keep the first day of the week, or Sunday. What Bible authority have they for this? The growing count of 400 denominations in the world keep the seventh day, or Saturday. What Scripture have they for that? Here are the facts as stated in the Word of God.

1.After working the first six days of the week in creating this earth, the great God rested on the seventh day. (Genesis 2:1.3.)

2.This stamped that day as God’s rest day, or Sabbath day, as Sabbath day means rest day. To illustrate: When a person is born on a certain day, that day thus becomes his birthday. So when God rested upon the seventh day, that day became His rest, or Sabbath, day.

3.Therefore the seventh day must always be God’s Sabbath day. Can you change your birthday from the day on which you were born to one on which you were not born? No. Neither can you change God’s rest day to a day on which He did not rest. Hence the seventh day is still God’s Sabbath day.

4.The Creator blessed the seventh day. (Genesis 2:3.)

5.He sanctified the seventh day. (Exodus 20:11.)

6.He made it the Sabbath day in the Garden of Eden. (Genesis 2:1-3.)

7.It was made before the fall; hence it is not a type; for types were not introduced till after the fall.

8.Jesus says it was made for man (Mark 2:27), that is, for the race, as the word man is here unlimited; hence, for the Gentile as well as for the Jew.

9.It is a memorial of creation. (Exodus 20:11; 31:17.) Every time we rest upon the seventh day, as God did at creation, we commemorate that grand event.

10.It was given to Adam, the head of the human race. (Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3.)

11.Hence through him, as our representative, to all nations. (Acts 17:26.)

12.It is’ not a Jewish institution, for it was made 2,300 years before ever there was a Jew.

13.The Bible never calls it the Jewish Sabbath, but always “the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.” Men should be cautious how they stigmatize God’s holy rest day.

14.Evident reference is made to the Sabbath and the seven-day week all, through the patriarchal age. (Genesis 2:1-3; 8:10,12; 29:27-28. etc.)

15.It was a part of God’s law before Sinai. (Exodus 16:4, 27-29.)

16.Then God placed it in the heart of His moral law. (Exodus 20:1-
17.) Why did He place it there if it was not like the other nine precepts, which all admit to be immutable?

17.The seventh-day Sabbath was commanded by the voice of the living God. (Deuteronomy 4:12-13.)

18.Then He wrote the commandment with His own finger. (Exodus 31:18.)

19.He engraved it in the enduring stone, indicating its imperishable nature. (Deuteronomy 5:22.)

20.It was sacredly preserved in the ark in the holy of holies. (Deuteronomy 10:1-5.)

21.God forbade work upon the Sabbath, even in the most hurrying times. (Exodus 34:21.)

22.God destroyed the Israelites in the wilderness because they profaned the Sabbath. (Ezekiel 20:12-13.)

23.It is the sign of the true God, by which we are to know Him from false gods. (Ezekiel 20:20.)

24.God promised that Jerusalem should stand forever if the Jews would keep the Sabbath (Jeremiah 17:24 -25.)

25.He sent them into the Babylonish captivity for breaking it. (Nehemiah 13:18.)

26.He destroyed Jerusalem for its violation. (Jeremiah 17:27.)

27.God has pronounced a special blessing on all the Gentiles who will keep it. (Isaiah 56:6-7.)

28.This is in the prophecy, which refers wholly to the Christian dispensation. (See Isaiah 56.)

29.God has promised to bless all who keep the Sabbath. (Isaiah 56:2.)

30.The Lord requires us to call it “honourable”. (Isaiah 58:13.) Beware, ye who take delight in calling it the. “old Jewish Sabbath,” “a yoke of bondage,” etc.

31.After the holy Sabbath has been trodden down “many generations,” it is to be restored in the last days. (Isaiah 58:12-13.)

32.All the holy prophets kept the seventh day.

33.When the Son of God came, He kept the seventh day all His life. (Luke 4:16; John 15:10.) Thus He followed His Father’s example at creation. Shall we not be safe in following the example of both the Father and the Son?

34.The seventh day is the Lord’s Day. (See Revelation 1:10; Mark 2:28; Isaiah 58:13; Exodus 20:10.)

35.Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28), that is, to love and protect it, as the husband is the lord of the wife, to love and cherish her (1 Peter 3:6.)

36.He vindicated the Sabbath as a merciful institution designed for man’s good. (Mark 2:23-28.)

37.Instead of abolishing the Sabbath, He carefully taught how it should be observed. (Matthew 13:1-13.)

38.He taught His disciples that they should do nothing upon the Sabbath day but what was “lawful” (Matthew 12:12.)

39.He instructed His apostles that the Sabbath should be prayerfully regarded forty years after His resurrection. (Matthew 24:20.)

40.The pious women who had been with Jesus carefully kept the seventh day after His death. (Luke 23:56.)

41.Thirty years after Christ’s resurrection, the Holy Spirit’ expressly calls it “the Sabbath day,” (Acts 13:14.)

42.Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, called it the “Sabbath day” in A.D. 45. (Acts 13:27.) Did not Paul know? Or shall we believe modern teachers, who affirm that it ceased to be the Sabbath at the resurrection of Christ?

43.Luke, the inspired Christian historian, writing as late as A.D. 62, calls it the “Sabbath day.” (Acts 13:44.)

44.The Gentile converts called it the Sabbath. (Acts 13:42.)

45.In the great Christian council, A.D. 49. In the presence of the apostles and thousands of disciples, James calls it the “Sabbath day.” (Acts 15:21.)

46.It was customary to hold prayer meetings upon that day. (Acts 16:13.)

47.Paul read the Scriptures in public meetings on that day. (Acts 17:2-3.)

48.It was his custom to preach upon that day. (Acts 17:2-3.)

49.The Book of Acts alone gives a record of his holding eighty-four meetings upon that day. (See Acts 13:14, 44; 16:13 ; 17:2; 18:4. 11.)

50.There was never any dispute between the Christians and the Jews about the Sabbath day. This is proof that the Christians still observed the same day that the Jews did.

51.In all their accusations against Paul, they never charged him with disregarding the Sabbath day. Why did they not, if he did not keep it?

52.But Paul himself expressly declared that he had kept the law. “Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all.” Acts 25:8. How could this be true if he had not kept the Sabbath?

53.The Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament fifty-nine times, and always with respect, bearing the same title it had in the Old Testament, “the Sabbath day.”

54.Not a word is said anywhere in the New Testament about the Sabbath’s being abolished, done away, changed, or anything of the kind.

55.God has never given permission to any man to work upon it. Reader, by what authority do you use – the seventh day for common labour?

56.No Christian of the New Testament, either before or after the resurrection, ever did ordinary work upon the seventh day. Find one case of that kind, and we will yield the question. Why should modern Christians do differently from Bible Christians?

57.There is no record that God has ever removed His blessing or sanctification from the seventh day.

58.As the Sabbath was kept in Eden before the fall, so it will be observed eternally in the new earth after the restitution. (
Isaiah 66:22-23.)

59.The seventh-day Sabbath was an important part of the law of God, as it came from His own mouth, and was written by His own finger upon stone at Sinai. (See Exodus 20.) When Jesus began His work, He expressly declared that He had not come to destroy the law. “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets.” Matthew 5:17

60.Jesus severely condemned the Pharisees as hypocrites for pretending to love God, while at the same tune they made void one of the Ten Commandments by their tradition. The keeping of Sunday is only a tradition of men.

“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change” (Sabbath to SUNday) “was her act. And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.”      HF Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons (Catholic Church).

“Sunday is our MARK or authority…the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.”     Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1 1923.

There you have it! SUNday is the MARK of the beast.

“From this same Catholic Church you have accepted your Sunday, and that Sunday, as the Lord's day, she has handed down as a tradition; and the entire Protestant world has accepted it as tradition, for you have not an iota of Scripture to establish it. Therefore that which you have accepted as your rule of faith, inadequate as it of course is, as well as your Sunday, you have accepted on the authority of the Roman Catholic Church.”-D. B. RAY, “The Papal Controversy,” 1892, page 179.

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2007,23:42)

Hi kenrch. “Who me throwing stones?” Mirror anyone?

You mean scripture or the truth scripture has shown.

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch,
Your unfortunate attitude shows partly why God removed the OT law as monitor over the sons of God setting them free to be guided by inspired conscience. It allowed the leaven of Phariseeism to blind men even to the Son of God. You give a man a measure and he wants to measure everyone else. Their ways were not God's so leave their attitudes with them.

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 14 2007,19:46)

Hi kenrch, Your unfortunate attitude shows partly why God removed the OT law as monitor over the sons of God setting them free to be guided by inspired conscience. It allowed the leaven of Phariseeism to blind men even to the Son of God. You give a man a measure and he wants to measure everyone else. Their ways were not God's so leave their attitudes with them.

Any scripture Nick? NO?! That's what I though. More empty words. SAD, very sad

IHL

Ken

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