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Genesis 6:18 But I will establish My covenant with you; and you shall go into the ark—you, your sons, your wife, and your sons’ wives with you.Genesis 9:16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth.”
Genesis 17:9 Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. 10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”
Exodus 2:24 God heard their groaning and he remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac and with Jacob. 25 So God looked on the Israelites and was concerned about them.
Exodus 6:2 God also said to Moses, “I am the LORD. 3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty, [a] but by my name the LORD I did not make myself known to them. [c] 4 I also established my covenant with them to give them the land of Canaan, where they lived as aliens. 5 Moreover, I have heard the groaning of the Israelites, whom the Egyptians are enslaving, and I have remembered my covenant.
Exodus 6:1 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Now you will see what I will do to Pharaoh: Because of my mighty hand he will let them go; because of my mighty hand he will drive them out of his country.” 2 God also said to Moses, “I am the LORD. 3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by my name the LORD I did not make myself known to them. 4 I also established my covenant with them to give them the land of Canaan, where they lived as aliens. 5 Moreover, I have heard the groaning of the Israelites, whom the Egyptians are enslaving, and I have remembered my covenant. 6 “Therefore, say to the Israelites: 'I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the yoke of the Egyptians. I will free you from being slaves to them, and I will redeem you with an outstretched arm and with mighty acts of judgment. 7 I will take you as my own people, and I will be your God. Then you will know that I am the LORD your God, who brought you out from under the yoke of the Egyptians. 8 And I will bring you to the land I swore with uplifted hand to give to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob. I will give it to you as a possession. I am the LORD.' ”
Exodus 19:5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you [a] will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”
Exodus 34:27 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” 28 Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.
God's covenants
Never to flood the world again, made with all creatures, sign is a rainbow but no conditions requiredTo give Abram, descendants and the land of Canann as a possession, made with Abram and generations to come, condition was the sign of circumcision (they were cut off from being His people if this “covenant” was broken)
To the Israelites He promised them peace and prosperity in the land once possesed, made with the Israelites on the condition they adhere to the ten commandments (they would be removed from the land if breaking this covenant).
“And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.” The ten commandments were the conditions of the covenant with the Israelites.
I believe that I as a gentile am not obligated to follow the Law of this covenant. 15What does all this mean? Does it mean we are free to sin, because we are ruled by God's wonderful kindness and not by the Law? Certainly not! 16Don't you know that you are slaves of anyone you obey? You can be slaves of sin and die, or you can be obedient slaves of God and be acceptable to him.
I am under obligation now freed from sin to live as Christ.
8If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
The Law shows the need for faith Romans 5:12Adam sinned, and that sin brought death into the world. Now everyone has sinned, and so everyone must die. 13Sin was in the world before the Law came. But no record of sin was kept, because there was no Law. 14Yet death still had power over all who lived from the time of Adam to the time of Moses. This happened, though not everyone disobeyed a direct command from God, as Adam did.You can no longer convert to Judism and be part of the “old covenant” 13By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.
It is by faith I submit my body to the Lord and His commandment of Love. It is that Love that becomes the “works” that shows my faith.I believe this is what the whole of scripture teaches -Wm
Ken,
I read in one of your posts something like “what harm does it do if I follow the Sabbath” (or something like that) and I would say none if done to honor God. But if done as part of a requirement to keep the Law, then you must keep the whole Law.You know I love you brother, and I present this out of concern and I hope that if you still disagree you will respond in kind and not take offense.
Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 05 2007,13:39) Ken,
I read in one of your posts something like “what harm does it do if I follow the Sabbath” (or something like that) and I would say none if done to honor God. But if done as part of a requirement to keep the Law, then you must keep the whole Law.You know I love you brother, and I present this out of concern and I hope that if you still disagree you will respond in kind and not take offense.
Wm
I keep the Commandments because they are written on my heart and my Love for God.To understand the Spiritual Commandments that Jesus gave.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said to them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 but I say unto you, that every one who is angry with his brother shall be in danger of the judgment; and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council; and whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of the hell of fire.One must understand the separation of the law. The law of Moses was fulfilled by Christ Luke 24:44.
The Law of God Matthew 5:18-19 was not fulfilled by Christ though Jesus kept them.
The law written by God was placed INSIDE the ark. The Law of Moses placed on the SIDE of the ark. One should ask why? Did God forget to make the ark big enopugh. Did Jehovah get writters cramp so he gave the rest of the law to Moses to write?No it was:
Gal 3:19 What then is the law? It was “added because of transgressions”, “till the seed should come” to whom the promise hath been made; and it was ordained through angels by the hand of a mediator.
Clearly the law added was the law of Moses “till the seed should come”. Fulfilled by Christ! Added because of breaking the Law Of God, the Ten Commandments.
Most of the problem are the writtings of Paul. Which is why Pauls seem to contadict himself.
2Pe 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
2Pe 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
2Pe 3:17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away **with the error of “lawless people” and lose your own stability**.1Co 9:20 And I became to the Jews a Jew, that I might gain the Jews: To them that are under the law, as if I were under the law, (whereas myself was not under the law,) that I might gain them that were under the law.
1Co 9:21 To them that were without the law, as if I were without the law, (whereas I was not without the law of God, but was in the law of Christ,) that I might gain them that were without the law.Paul is plainly saying that to the Jews he became a Jew those who were not believers of christ and still under the law of Moses. But he (PAUL) was not under that law.
Notice:
Paul says he was NOT without the Law of God BUT was in the law of Christ which was that Jesus fulfilled the law of Moses the law placed ON THE SIDE of the ark.
Peter telling it like it is, because Paul didn't explain which law he was speaking of when he said the law was done away with, fulfilled.
2Pe 3:17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away **with the “ERROR” of “LAWLESS PEOPLE” and lose your own stability**.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid: nay, we establish the law.
The Sabbath day was changed by the Harlet Dan 7:25. One day was created for worship and rest. The other was invented by the POPE, man.
It's a matter of who are you going to follow? God or the one who changed the law as scripture says he would.The remnant of the church Keep the Commandments God and Jesus' testimony that He is the Messiah.
The saints that go through the tribulation are keeping the commandments of God and faith in Jesus. Rev 12:17; 14:12You cannot separate the Spirit from the law of God.
Rom 8:6 For the mind of the flesh is death; but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace:
Rom 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God;[WHY?] for it is not subject to the “law of God”, neither indeed can it be:seekingtruth please go back and read all the scriptures in this thread.
Nick said I want people to follow me nothing could be further from the truth, and that I'm judging it is the scriptures that I have given that are judging the sword of God that cuts deep.Am I saved because I keep God's law~NO~ I'm saved because I love God and His Son, that is why I keep His commandments.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.
1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing; but the “keeping of the commandments of God”.
1Jo 2:3 And hereby we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
1Jo 3:22 and whatsoever we ask we receive of him, because we keep his commandments and do the things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jo 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments abideth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he gave us.
1Jo 5:2 Hereby we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and do his commandments.
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we should walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, even as ye heard from the beginning, that ye should walk in it.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon waxed wroth with the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God, and hold the testimony of Jesus:
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
IHL,
Ken
PS we are ALL one in Jesus. There are no Jews or Gentiles in Jesus Gal. 3:28
Perhaps a look at Col 2 in context will shed some light on the subject.
Col 2
1For I want you to know how great a struggle I have on your behalf and for those who are at Laodicea, and for all those who have not personally seen my face,
2that their hearts may be encouraged, having been knit together in love, and attaining to all the wealth that comes from the full assurance of understanding, resulting in a true knowledge of God's mystery, that is, Christ Himself,
3in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
4I say this so that no one will delude you with persuasive argument.
5For even though I am absent in body, nevertheless I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good discipline and the stability of your faith in Christ.
6Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,
(Here we see Paul’s admonition and thanksgiving for the saints. He says to walk in him, namely Jesus Christ. He then continues to tell the saints how to do that.)
7having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.
8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
(Here Paul warns of the philosophies of the world and traditions of men. Now God begins to tell us of very specific things to beware of and what has happened since Christ.)
9For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
10and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;
(We are made complete because the fullness of God was able to dwell in Christ. There was no sin seperating Christ from God. This opened up the door for the rest of humanity. This also put Him in authority. Over what?> Read on.)
11and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;
12having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
13When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,
14having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
( We are alive in Him and forgive or sins. Prior to christ we had “decrees” against us. Decrees such as the law. Chrisr canceled them out. He has authority over the law and the sabbath)
15When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.
(Those Pharasees that held to the law and put burdens on the people were disarmed and discredited in public)
16Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day–
(Because Chrsit canceled out the decrees(laws) against us, and because Christ disarmed the law accusers, we are not to accept any judgement from the legalists who continue to accuse us according to the law.)
17things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
(Now God tells us why. The law/decrees of the sabbath, clean meats new moons ect, were shadows, but the substance, the reality, the fullfillment, is in Christ. When you have the substance/fullfillment, you do not need the shadow.)
18Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,
(Do not be decieved by those who claim that the Spirit of God tells them that we must go back to the law. Those that claim reliance on what the “spirit” is telling them. They inflate the good aspects of purity before the Lord with legalism.)
19and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.
(they do not hold fast to Christ or the body in that they accept no help from the body (joints and ligaments) which is the way in which the body is supplied and held together. They recieve no teaching outside of their own inflated fleshly mind.)
20If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
21″Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!”
22(which all refer to things destined to perish with use)–in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
(Remember commandments = directions. Why do you continue to follow the law through the directions and teachings of man?)
23These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.
(This may seem to be wise on the outside, but it is self-made religion. Attempting to fullfill the law through self will and strict adhearance to the law serves no real value against the flesh. Why? Because to overcome the flesh one must have their character changed from glory to glory to become like christ. The law cannot accomplish this, only relationship with Christ can change a man’s heart and character. Love relationship with Christ will change us.)
“If you love me you will keep my commandments”
If we build relationship with Christ and walk in the Spirit/breath provided for us, we will fullfill all the law and commandments. We will have the fruits of the Spirit instead of the frustration of the law.
FRUITS INSTEAD OF FRUSTRATION!
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seekingtruth please go back and read all the scriptures in this thread.
Nick said I want people to follow me nothing could be further from the truth, and that I'm judging it is the scriptures that I have given that are judging the sword of God that cuts deep.Am I saved because I keep God's law~NO~ I'm saved because I love God and His Son, that is why I keep His commandments.
Ken,
I do not believe your desiring anyone to follow you beyond as they see you following Christ.One slight correction I know you will agree that you're not saved because you've loved God, but because you've believed in what He did through His son and have placed your trust in Him. That has lead to your Love of God. And along that same line your maintaining the Sabbath then is to honor God.
Quote Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? 3Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing—if it really was for nothing? 5Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?
6Consider Abraham: “He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[a] 7Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. 8The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” 9So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.10All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[c] 11Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.”[d] 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.”[e] 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”[f] 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
If we are to pursue further discussion may I suggest we do it one point at a time as I believe everyone gets lost in long multipoint lists (well at least I do)
Wm
Amen although their is only one point.
I noticed you quoted Galatians
“Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? 3Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing—if it really was for nothing? 5Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?
6Consider Abraham: “He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[a] 7Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. 8The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” 9So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith”.“10All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[c] 11Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.”[d] 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.”[e] 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”[f] 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit”.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Which law brought us to Christ? Which law did Christ fulfill? Where in the Ten commandments does it even mention Christ?
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.Again I ask which law?
Which law was in a book?
Deu 31:26 “Take this Book of the Law” and put it “by the side of the ark” of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a “witness against you”.
The Law God wrote was on tablets not in a book. The Law of God placed INSIDE the ark NOT ON the Side of the ark as the book of law that moses wrote.Continuing in Galatians:
Gal 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years!
Their are no things concerning moons, seasons, years. The only Sabbath in the Ten is the seventh day Sabbath the forth commandment that God created.
Just like Col 2: moons, food, holy days, feasts and Sabbath days.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Taken in context which sabbath is Paul talking about. Does the weekly Sabbath tell what you can and cannot eat? Does the forth Commandment have anything to do with moons?
OR drink?Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Does the seventh day of God (not the Pope) say not to taste touch or handle?We must be careful to keep things in context.
Or why are Paul's writings hard to understand? 2Pet. 3:15-17
Hi kenrch,
When you listen to Paul you are listening to Christ in him.
A new perspective and a greater one than that shown to the Jews.
Paul spoke to Jews from his own heritage and to gentiles as free men under conscience.
God used a Pharisee to demonstrate to Jews the follies of legalism and to gentiles the need for godly discipline.Ken,
Where we differ is I see the Ten Commandments as conditions of the covenant with the Israelites. Exodus 34:28 “And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.” and you see them as presented to mankind in general. I have failed to find a scripture that commands me as a gentile in the age of grace to adhere to the ten commandments beyond those requiring a love of God and my neighbor (and of course I would not break most of the ten commandments because of this love). The scriptures also say somewhere that other nations will praise Israel for having such righteous laws.Now one point needs to be made, if God knowing us so well, saw it as being so important to rest 1 in 7 that He made it part of His covenant then who am I to argue the benefits (and that's not what I'm trying to do here). I praise the law for showing me the need for faith as means to eternal life. I believe that is what is meant by we “establish the law”.
Wm
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2007,19:38) Hi kenrch,
When you listen to Paul you are listening to Christ in him.
A new perspective and a greater one than that shown to the Jews.
Paul spoke to Jews from his own heritage and to gentiles as free men under conscience.
God used a Pharisee to demonstrate to Jews the follies of legalism and to gentiles the need for godly discipline.
That's why Peter said Paul's writings are hard to understand?2Pe 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
2Pe 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
2Pe 3:17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with **the error of lawless people and lose your own stability**.I REALLY don't think soooo!
1Co 9:20 And I became to the Jews a Jew, that I might gain the Jews: To them that are under the law, as if I were under the law, (whereas myself was not under the law,) that I might gain them that were under the law.
1Co 9:21 To them that were without the law, as if I were without the law, (**whereas I was not without the law of God, but was in the law of Christ*,) that I might gain them that were without the law.Paul was NOT without the law of God, but in the law of Christ.
Verse 20 (whereas myself was not under the law,) not under the Jewish law. The law Moses wrote.
Hi kenrch,
1Cor 6
” 12All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything. “
Tongue in cheek.
God sets His kids free from the restrictions imposed in kindergarten so they can learn by the inner Law. We no longer look for sin to avoid but live for Christ and we learn to avoid sin.Hi kenrch,
Paul was able to speak to Jews because he was of the strictest Pharisaical sect before his transformation by the Spirit. God did not change him so much that he was unable to understand their difficulties but he was able to go back and meet them and encourage them to take baby steps in the Spirit.Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 05 2007,19:48) Ken,
Where we differ is I see the Ten Commandments as conditions of the covenant with the Israelites. Exodus 34:28 “And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.” and you see them as presented to mankind in general. I have failed to find a scripture that commands me as a gentile in the age of grace to adhere to the ten commandments beyond those requiring a love of God and my neighbor (and of course I would not break most of the ten commandments because of this love). The scriptures also say somewhere that other nations will praise Israel for having such righteous laws.Now one point needs to be made, if God knowing us so well, saw it as being so important to rest 1 in 7 that He made it part of His covenant then who am I to argue the benefits (and that's not what I'm trying to do here). I praise the law for showing me the need for faith as means to eternal life. I believe that is what is meant by we “establish the law”.
Wm
Seekingtruth we are one in Christ. The Ten commandments are in the New Testament. God's Commandments are for all God's children.
Are their only going to be Jews saved during the tribulation.
Rev. 14:12. Is the true remnant church just Jews? Rev. 12:17?Brother we are living in the last days. The last days has been going on for sometime now. The lawless man changed the Law and times. The Pope change the forth commandment to the third and change the day.
The word says the seventh day not the first day is God's day. This is important if you keep any day but the seventh day that God created for rest and worship then you are following man.You cannot separate the Spirit from the Law of God.
Rom 8:6 For the mind of the flesh is death; but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace:
Rom 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God;[WHY?] “for it is not subject to the law of God”, neither indeed can it be:IHL,
KenQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2007,19:57) Hi kenrch,
Paul was able to speak to Jews because he was of the strictest Pharisaical sect before his transformation by the Spirit. God did not change him so much that he was unable to understand their difficulties but he was able to go back and meet them and encourage them to take baby steps in the Spirit.
Nick what law was he NOT without?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2007,19:54) Hi kenrch,
1Cor 6
” 12All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything. “
Tongue in cheek.
God sets His kids free from the restrictions imposed in kindergarten so they can learn by the inner Law. We no longer look for sin to avoid but live for Christ and we learn to avoid sin.
Sure anything Paul ate was lawful etc. Do you think he was talking about the ten? Murder is lawful for me? Come on Nick!Quote (kenrch @ Mar. 05 2007,20:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2007,19:57) Hi kenrch,
Paul was able to speak to Jews because he was of the strictest Pharisaical sect before his transformation by the Spirit. God did not change him so much that he was unable to understand their difficulties but he was able to go back and meet them and encourage them to take baby steps in the Spirit.
Nick what law was he NOT without?
Hi kenrch,
He was not lawless.The Law of the Spirit, the Law of Christ, is greater than the OT law. He was under the Law of love.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2007,20:23) Quote (kenrch @ Mar. 05 2007,20:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2007,19:57) Hi kenrch,
Paul was able to speak to Jews because he was of the strictest Pharisaical sect before his transformation by the Spirit. God did not change him so much that he was unable to understand their difficulties but he was able to go back and meet them and encourage them to take baby steps in the Spirit.
Nick what law was he NOT without?
Hi kenrch,
He was not lawless.The Law of the Spirit, the Law of Christ, is greater than the OT law. He was under the Law of love.
To the Jewish law he was lawless BUT NOT WITHOUT THE LAW OF GOD. That is scripture am I suppose to listen to you and not the Word of God?1Co 9:20 And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, NOT being myself under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
1Co 9:21 to them that are without law, as without law, not being without law to God, but under law to Christ, that I might gain them that are without law.Hi kenrch,
Do you want to follow Paul and become a Pharisee?
Her regarded all that old stuff as rubbish that he would not go back to though he could be as a Jew with the Jews for the sake of leading them out too, and the Spirit raised him to a higher spiritual plane -the Law of love.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2007,20:37) Hi kenrch,
Do you want to follow Paul and become a Pharisee?
Her regarded all that old stuff as rubbish that he would not go back to though he could be as a Jew with the Jews for the sake of leading them out too, and the Spirit raised him to a higher spiritual plane -the Law of love.
I would be honored to follow Paul straight to heaven
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