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Quote (terraricca @ July 31 2012,19:02) Quote Come on Pierre, this is what it means to worship in spirit and in truth, not be ignorant. We are showing you something here.
is it
Yes.
You are arguing over not only interpretation now, but what God actually said.
Your bible is corrupted.
It will not show you the deep meanings required for understanding prophesy, it's not designed to.
it will only scratch the surface.
But yet you like to argue still?I started with an old discarded New World translations bible. I read this first.
Then I changed over to a New KJV, and when I read this I noticed differences and how the JW bible left out important words,
then when in bible study I noticed the New KJV left out a few important words very subtly.
Words that changed the whole meaning.
Words that blocked me from understanding some prophesies.
So God brought it to my attention, didn't he?
that gentle nudge in the right direction.Quote (Ed J @ July 31 2012,17:51) Hi Georgie, There are many differences.
I have some videos you can watch… hereGod bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Thanks Edbut that doesn't answer my question.
I know those other versions are corrupted.
What are the differences between the KJV and the AKJV?
can you answer this just with your knowledge, and not with video's?Pierre,
Matthew 13
24 > Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field.
25 > But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 > But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 > So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, dist not thou sow good seed in thy field?
28 > And he said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 > But he said, Nay, lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 > Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.
37 > He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man,
38 > The field is the world, the good seed are the children of the kingdom, but the tares are the children of the wicked one,
39 > The enemy that sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the world, and the reapers are the angels.
40 > As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so shall it be in the end of this world.
*Sower = Jesus
*Field = world
*Good seed = children of the kingdom
*tares = children of the wicked one
*enemy = Satan
*Harvest = end of the world
*Reapers = Angels
*Fire =
*Barn =Please take note of what is not yet explained…fire & barn.
We continue….
41 > The Son of Man (*sower) shall send forth his angels (*reapers), and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity (*tares),
42 > And shall cast them into a furnace of fire (*fire), there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 > Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Okay, here (v42) we find out what the fire means…the furnace.
So what have we left that remains unexplained?
*Sower = Jesus
*Field = world
*Good seed = children of the kingdom
*tares = children of the wicked one
*enemy = Satan
*Harvest = end of the world
*Reapers = Angels
*Fire = Furnace
*Barn =The barn Pierre. The Barn is left out?
So why is the barn left out Pierre?
It is a very important metaphor Pierre.So my question is, what is the barn Pierre?
if you are able to answer, which you should easily do, then we will take this parable to the next phase of inspection.
Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 01 2012,05:41) Pierre, Matthew 13
24 > Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field.
25 > But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 > But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 > So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, dist not thou sow good seed in thy field?
28 > And he said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 > But he said, Nay, lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 > Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.
37 > He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man,
38 > The field is the world, the good seed are the children of the kingdom, but the tares are the children of the wicked one,
39 > The enemy that sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the world, and the reapers are the angels.
40 > As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so shall it be in the end of this world.
*Sower = Jesus
*Field = world
*Good seed = children of the kingdom
*tares = children of the wicked one
*enemy = Satan
*Harvest = end of the world
*Reapers = Angels
*Fire =
*Barn =Please take note of what is not yet explained…fire & barn.
We continue….
41 > The Son of Man (*sower) shall send forth his angels (*reapers), and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity (*tares),
42 > And shall cast them into a furnace of fire (*fire), there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 > Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Okay, here (v42) we find out what the fire means…the furnace.
So what have we left that remains unexplained?
*Sower = Jesus
*Field = world
*Good seed = children of the kingdom
*tares = children of the wicked one
*enemy = Satan
*Harvest = end of the world
*Reapers = Angels
*Fire = Furnace
*Barn =The barn Pierre. The Barn is left out?
So why is the barn left out Pierre?
It is a very important metaphor Pierre.So my question is, what is the barn Pierre?
if you are able to answer, which you should easily do, then we will take this parable to the next phase of inspection.
devoQuote *Good seed = children of the kingdom wrong ;the good seed his THE WORD OF GOD ,THE GOSPEL,THE GRACE FOR MAN,THE RECONCIELIATION WITH GOD THE FATHER ,
Quote So my question is, what is the barn Pierre? KINGDOM of God
Quote *Sower = Jesus
*Field = world
*Good seed = children of the kingdom/no,it is the word of God
*tares = children of the wicked one/no,it is the lies about Gods word,and promise
*enemy = Satan
*Harvest = end of the world /time after Christ dead
*Reapers = Angels
*Fire = destruction of the opposition
*Barn = the Kingdom of God,Christdo you see the additions that I put in your quote
Terra
I have to give that to you;
The seed is the word of God and the soil is the receiver.(soil)
If the soil is bad (rock) the seed will not grow.
If the soil is good; the seed will grow; BUT SATAN HAS COME IN THE NIGHT AND PLANTED WEED,AND THE WEED IS GROWING WITH THE CORN.This is the whole situation today;too many books and too many bible translations has been planted between the corn.
Infect,more weed than corn.The corn will be stored in the kingdom.The weed,burned.
wakeup.
Quote (journey42 @ July 31 2012,21:55) Quote (Ed J @ July 31 2012,17:51) Hi Georgie, There are many differences.
I have some videos you can watch… hereGod bless
Ed J
Thanks Edbut that doesn't answer my question.
I know those other versions are corrupted.
What are the differences between the KJV and the AKJV?
can you answer this just with your knowledge, and not with video's?
Hi Georgie,“Authorized King James Version”
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ Aug. 01 2012,10:50) Terra I have to give that to you;
The seed is the word of God and the soil is the receiver.(soil)
If the soil is bad (rock) the seed will not grow.
If the soil is good; the seed will grow; BUT SATAN HAS COME IN THE NIGHT AND PLANTED WEED,AND THE WEED IS GROWING WITH THE CORN.This is the whole situation today;too many books and too many bible translations has been planted between the corn.
Infect,more weed than corn.The corn will be stored in the kingdom.The weed,burned.
wakeup.
wupit is your heart ,that receive the seed ,if your heart is inclind to love wickedness (other things than God )
then the seed did not fall in good soil, but if you love righteousness and truth you will be good soilQuote (terraricca @ Aug. 01 2012,02:50)
Pierre,Are you serious?
No i was not wrong. I am quoting the scriptures, and what do they say:
Matthew 13:38 > The field is the world, the good seed are the children of the kingdom, but the tares are the children of the wicked one
Are you authorized by God to change His Word?
I think not.
How can you say what Jesus described is wrong?AGAIN: & this is JESUS speaking Pierre:
Matthew 13:38 > The field is the world, the good seed are the children of the kingdom, but the tares are the children of the wicked one
The Seed itself is Jesus, yes, but this is not what Jesus is saying/talking about here now is it.
You need to discern better than what you have done before trying to change Jesus Word which no man can change anyway.So there you go, the good seed IS the children of the kingdom & the tares ARE the children of the wicked one.
You weren't changing my words Pierre, but changing Jesus' written word….shame.
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 01 2012,05:07)
BTW Pierre,Didn't you notice how Jesus said that HE was the sower?
What is He sowing?
Cars?
Fans?
Lollipops?
Chips?
OR……SEEDS?Why seeds of course!
So HIS SEED is being gaffed into us also.
One SEED from One Plant SEEDING many.
Hence the good seed are the children of the kingdom.
They are not THE Seed, but come from that Seed.Now do you understand?
Pierre,
The barn is the kingdom, correct…agreed.
And what must happen before the children are put into the barn/kingdom?
Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 03 2012,04:07) terraricca,Aug. wrote:[/quote]
Pierre,Are you serious?
No i was not wrong. I am quoting the scriptures, and what do they say:
Matthew 13:38 > The field is the world, the good seed are the children of the kingdom, but the tares are the children of the wicked one
Are you authorized by God to change His Word?
I think not.
How can you say what Jesus described is wrong?AGAIN: & this is JESUS speaking Pierre:
Matthew 13:38 > The field is the world, the good seed are the children of the kingdom, but the tares are the children of the wicked one
The Seed itself is Jesus, yes, but this is not what Jesus is saying/talking about here now is it.
You need to discern better than what you have done before trying to change Jesus Word which no man can change anyway.So there you go, the good seed IS the children of the kingdom & the tares ARE the children of the wicked one.
You weren't changing my words Pierre, but changing Jesus' written word….shame.
devoMk 4:3 “Listen! A farmer went out to sow his seed.
Mk 4:4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up.
Mk 4:5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow.
Mk 4:6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root.
Mk 4:7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants, so that they did not bear grain.
Mk 4:8 Still other seed fell on good soil. It came up, grew and produced a crop, multiplying thirty, sixty, or even a hundred times.”
Mk 4:9 Then Jesus said, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”Mk 4:10 When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables.
Mk 4:11 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables
Mk 4:12 so that,
“ ‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’’”
Mk 4:13 Then Jesus said to them, “Don’t you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable?
Mk 4:14 The farmer sows the word.
Mk 4:15 Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them.
Mk 4:16 Others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy.
Mk 4:17 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.
Mk 4:18 Still others, like seed sown among thorns, hear the word;
Mk 4:19 but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful.
Mk 4:20 Others, like seed sown on good soil, hear the word, accept it, and produce a crop—thirty, sixty or even a hundred times what was sown.”Mt 13:37 He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man.
Mt 13:38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one,
Mt 13:39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
Mt 13:40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age.
Mt 13:41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
Mt 13:42 They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mt 13:43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.read those two parables ,and understand what it is ,it seems they have different meaning but they do not ,they make Christ words more truthfull,in Mark Christ talks about the seeds meaning the the good news of his message,but in Mathew ;he talks about the ones that has already been informed about the good news and the obstacles that the true believers will face from the tares meaning the enemies of the kingdom,
Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 03 2012,06:04) Pierre, The barn is the kingdom, correct…agreed.
And what must happen before the children are put into the barn/kingdom?
devothey are now collected and put in a waiting room but have been judged to be worthy of the kingdom ,and when the numbers of the saved ones are complete then the end will come,
this is the power of God not of men ,
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 03 2012,04:57) Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 03 2012,06:04) Pierre, The barn is the kingdom, correct…agreed.
And what must happen before the children are put into the barn/kingdom?
devothey are now collected and put in a waiting room but have been judged to be worthy of the kingdom ,and when the numbers of the saved ones are complete then the end will come,
this is the power of God not of men ,
Terra.You quoted mark4:15. the people are as the word.(not correct).
Mark 4:14.The sower soweth the WORD.(not people).
The word that fell on good soil; the seed will grow into corn,and bear fruit.
The seed that fell on bad soil; satan has corupted it,and chocked it and it will grow into weed.some of the seed will just die.(rejected the word).20. the ones that received the word will bring forth fruit,some 30x,60x,100x.
simple.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 03 2012,12:56) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 03 2012,04:57) Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 03 2012,06:04) Pierre, The barn is the kingdom, correct…agreed.
And what must happen before the children are put into the barn/kingdom?
devothey are now collected and put in a waiting room but have been judged to be worthy of the kingdom ,and when the numbers of the saved ones are complete then the end will come,
this is the power of God not of men ,
Terra.You quoted mark4:15. the people are as the word.(not correct).
Mark 4:14.The sower soweth the WORD.(not people).
The word that fell on good soil; the seed will grow into corn,and bear fruit.
The seed that fell on bad soil; satan has corupted it,and chocked it and it will grow into weed.some of the seed will just die.(rejected the word).20. the ones that received the word will bring forth fruit,some 30x,60x,100x.
simple.
wakeup.
wupyou should read more in my quote and not try to miss understand me ,
and you respond to the wrong quote ,and your comment is useless to the right quote any way,read it again
Ok Terra lets not quibble about it.
the seed =the gospel.
the soil=people.
Good soil,good people will accept the gospel and it will grow,and bear fruit.
The bad people will reject the gospel ,it does not grow,it just died,as soon as it had received it.some will receive it,than the world will choke it and it will die also.
The harvest is the resurrection,and the barn is the kingdom.
harvest: rev.14:15—-20.
wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 03 2012,04:57) Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 03 2012,06:04) Pierre, The barn is the kingdom, correct…agreed.
And what must happen before the children are put into the barn/kingdom?
devothey are now collected and put in a waiting room but have been judged to be worthy of the kingdom ,and when the numbers of the saved ones are complete then the end will come,
this is the power of God not of men ,
Pierre,What you interpret or what i interpret means nothing compared to what scripture says.
And i don't even need to interpret these scriptures because Jesus Himself gave the explanation.And the scripture you are now arguing against, arguing against Gods word again, said that the harvest must take place before the children are put into the barn.
So before the children are put into the kingdom, the harvest must occur.
And until that harvest occurs, both the evil & the good will grow together, as we see still happening in the world today, as it has been happening since Jesus told us it would over 2000 years ago.But Jesus will tolerate no evil within His kingdom when He sets it up now will He. Or will you argue against that now also?
Pierre, the harvest has not yet occurred, unless you don't understand what the harvest is? therefore, no man is in that kingdom Christ is going to set up when He begins ruling it.
This is not private interpretation, but the meaning of this simple scripture.
If i could not understand such a basic sentence, and its given meaning, how on earth could i call myself a English speaking person?..or sane for that matter!Christ gave the answer, a simple thing to understand, yet you still argue against it.
All because it disagrees with your interpretation.I marvel that you can even debate against what is written since you call yourself a Christian.
This is mind boggling.Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 03 2012,04:57) Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 03 2012,06:04) Pierre, The barn is the kingdom, correct…agreed.
And what must happen before the children are put into the barn/kingdom?
devothey are now collected and put in a waiting room but have been judged to be worthy of the kingdom ,and when the numbers of the saved ones are complete then the end will come,
this is the power of God not of men ,
Pierre,You said/agreed that the barn was the kingdom of Christ.
Now you call it a “waiting room”
?It seems cracks are appearing now even in your explanations the more we examine the scriptures on this subject.
Because a “waiting room” is not the same as a kingdom.
So i need to ask you again, what is the barn?
Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 04 2012,12:26) So i need to ask you again, what is the barn?
Hi Devolution,The barn is the mansion (meaning resting place).
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2012,12:41) Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 04 2012,12:26) So i need to ask you again, what is the barn?
Hi Devolution,The barn is the mansion (meaning resting place).
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDj.So after the resurrection all will be stored first? for how long?
Stored in a mansion,is it with air conditioning?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2012,14:31) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2012,12:41) Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 04 2012,12:26) So i need to ask you again, what is the barn?
Hi Devolution,The barn is the mansion (meaning resting place).
God bless
Ed J
EDj.So after the resurrection all will be stored first? for how long?
Stored in a mansion,is it with air conditioning?wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,In a “spiritual” resting place while others will be in a lake of fire. (see Rev.15:2)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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