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PIERRE, Are you now accusing me of being 'an ear tickler'? Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

I do not accuse you of anything that you are not ,it is what i see ,and experience with dealing with you

a person is not born with his reputation ,he built it himself ,

so why are you complaining

a milk man can only sell milk other wise he would not be a milk man but some thing else right

[Ed J]

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Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2012,16:50) PIERRE, Are you now accusing me of being 'an ear tickler'? Ed J edj I do not accuse you of anything that you are not ,it is what i see ,and experience with dealing with you a person is not born with his reputation ,he built it himself , so why are you complaining a milk man can only sell milk other wise he would not be a milk man but some thing else right

Hi Pierre,

Are you considering your view of me  –  as my reputation?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Quote (terraricca @ July 25 2012,10:09) Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2012,16:50) PIERRE, Are you now accusing me of being 'an ear tickler'? Ed J edj I do not accuse you of anything that you are not ,it is what i see ,and experience with dealing with you a person is not born with his reputation ,he built it himself , so why are you complaining a milk man can only sell milk other wise he would not be a milk man but some thing else right Hi Pierre, Are you considering your view of me  –  as my reputation? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

no just my honest impression of you ,

but you are free to ask others if they share my view if you want

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ July 25 2012,01:04) Quote (terraricca @ July 24 2012,16:51) Quote (Wakeup @ July 24 2012,23:44) Dan.2:39. after babylon shall arise another kingdom;this is the two arms and chest of silver(two arms;medo/persia).O.K. with you? And another kingdom of brass(greecia). O.K. with you? The fourth one is of pure iron(this is rome)O.K.  with you? The iron is stronger than the brass,silver,gold. After the iron comes feet which is still roman the but not the same;its a mixed people they mingle with the –SEED– of MEN but they will not mix. And in the days of these kings the last extension of the fourth which is the 10 toes;will the God of heaven set up his kingdom.(phisically). O.K. to make you happy. the last kingdom will be destroyed and this is the extension of the fouth,which is the 10 toes. wakeup. Wakeup The iron and the clay ,is a condition of that fourth kingdom ,and so is the mixture iron and clay ,read it again and see Terra. Now you tell me: what empire are we in today? Its not fair you just diagreeing and not correcting,but just diagree. wakeup. wakeup you did not answered my questions ,so we do not see the same things ,you still do not understand Daniel chap2 and you want to move ahead to make your understanding more complicated and false ,so be it , people like EDJ will supply you with your wants.

Terra.

WHY DONT YOU JUST ANSWER THIS QUESTION FOR EVERY ONE TO SEE THAT I WAS WRONG,AND YOU ARE RIGHT,OR VICE VERSA.

The question again; one more time:

If we are in the kingdom of God now for 2000years already; why then is God going to send us great delusions.
And why does it say in 2Tim 3.that in the last days things are getting so bad; read it for your self. Is Christ not fit to be a ruler? Is he incapable.

WAITING.

wakeup.

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Quote (terraricca @ July 25 2012,01:18) Quote (Wakeup @ July 25 2012,01:04) Quote (terraricca @ July 24 2012,16:51) Quote (Wakeup @ July 24 2012,23:44) Dan.2:39. after babylon shall arise another kingdom;this is the two arms and chest of silver(two arms;medo/persia).O.K. with you? And another kingdom of brass(greecia). O.K. with you? The fourth one is of pure iron(this is rome)O.K.  with you? The iron is stronger than the brass,silver,gold. After the iron comes feet which is still roman the but not the same;its a mixed people they mingle with the –SEED– of MEN but they will not mix. And in the days of these kings the last extension of the fourth which is the 10 toes;will the God of heaven set up his kingdom.(phisically). O.K. to make you happy. the last kingdom will be destroyed and this is the extension of the fouth,which is the 10 toes. wakeup. Wakeup The iron and the clay ,is a condition of that fourth kingdom ,and so is the mixture iron and clay ,read it again and see Terra. Now you tell me: what empire are we in today? Its not fair you just diagreeing and not correcting,but just diagree. wakeup. wakeup you did not answered my questions ,so we do not see the same things ,you still do not understand Daniel chap2 and you want to move ahead to make your understanding more complicated and false ,so be it , people like EDJ will supply you with your wants. Terra. WHY DONT YOU JUST ANSWER THIS QUESTION FOR EVERY ONE TO SEE THAT I WAS WRONG,AND YOU ARE RIGHT,OR VICE VERSA. The question again; one more time: If we are in the kingdom of God now for 2000years already; why then is God going to send us great delusions. And why does it say in 2Tim 3.that in the last days things are getting so bad; read it for your self. Is Christ not fit to be a ruler?  Is he incapable. WAITING. wakeup.

wakeup

I have answer you that question in another topic if I remember correctly

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ July 28 2012,17:06) Quote (terraricca @ July 25 2012,01:18) Quote (Wakeup @ July 25 2012,01:04) Quote (terraricca @ July 24 2012,16:51) Quote (Wakeup @ July 24 2012,23:44) Dan.2:39. after babylon shall arise another kingdom;this is the two arms and chest of silver(two arms;medo/persia).O.K. with you? And another kingdom of brass(greecia). O.K. with you? The fourth one is of pure iron(this is rome)O.K.  with you? The iron is stronger than the brass,silver,gold. After the iron comes feet which is still roman the but not the same;its a mixed people they mingle with the –SEED– of MEN but they will not mix. And in the days of these kings the last extension of the fourth which is the 10 toes;will the God of heaven set up his kingdom.(phisically). O.K. to make you happy. the last kingdom will be destroyed and this is the extension of the fouth,which is the 10 toes. wakeup. Wakeup The iron and the clay ,is a condition of that fourth kingdom ,and so is the mixture iron and clay ,read it again and see Terra. Now you tell me: what empire are we in today? Its not fair you just diagreeing and not correcting,but just diagree. wakeup. wakeup you did not answered my questions ,so we do not see the same things ,you still do not understand Daniel chap2 and you want to move ahead to make your understanding more complicated and false ,so be it , people like EDJ will supply you with your wants. Terra. WHY DONT YOU JUST ANSWER THIS QUESTION FOR EVERY ONE TO SEE THAT I WAS WRONG,AND YOU ARE RIGHT,OR VICE VERSA. The question again; one more time: If we are in the kingdom of God now for 2000years already; why then is God going to send us great delusions. And why does it say in 2Tim 3.that in the last days things are getting so bad; read it for your self. Is Christ not fit to be a ruler?  Is he incapable. WAITING. wakeup. wakeup I have answer you that question in another topic if I remember correctly

Terra.

Can you be more clear with your answer this time.
How are things worse under Christ ruling? Without quoting too many scriptures.

wakeup.

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Quote (942767 @ July 22 2012,09:45) Hi: You say: Quote Daniel 2:44   And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms and it shall stand forever. This means that after the destruction of all the kingdoms, Christ will set up his kingdom But the scripture states: Quote Daniel 2:44   And IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed It does not say that Christ will set up his kingdom after these kingdoms are destroyed. Love in Christ, Marty Welcome Marty In the days of these kings, the last kings of the feet, that rock gets hurled at the feet, so Christ intervenes in these specific days, in the days of the 10 toes, on the feet when they are ruling, Christ will break their rule, send them into utter destruction, then will set up his Fathers kingdom, on earth, and will rule. This is the start of the millennium What is so hard to understand about this? It's so simple Go to Rev now and read about the beast that was thrown into the lake of fire along with the false prophet at Christ's coming. This is the fourth dreadful, terrible beast, with the 10 horns mentioned in Daniel, This is the same beast in Rev 13 that came out of the sea with the 10 horns, the very same 10 horned beast mentioned in in Rev 17:12 The very same kings, from the last empire to come the 7th which turned into the eighth empire the toes

Hi:

The four kings or kingdoms are Babylonia, Media/Persia, Greece, and Rome.

In Daniel while Daniel is in captivity God reveals the following to him:

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Dan 9:24 ¶ Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The Messiah came precisely as this was given, and Jesus in his ministry stated:

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Mar 1:14 ¶ Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

And so, the Messiah came and God established the Kingdom in the rule of the 4th kingdom, the Roman empire.

And so, the following scripture is fulfilled and continually being fulfilled by the Kingdom that He established through Our Lord Jesus

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Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, [but] it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Babylonia was defeated by Cyrus, Alexander the Great defeated Media/Persia, Greece was defeated by Rome, and the Roman empire no longer exists.

I am not sure about the following scripture:

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Dan 2:42 And [as] the toes of the feet [were] part of iron, and part of clay, [so] the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. Dan 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

The toes of the feet may mean the Pharisees that were within the Roman empire as the clay, since the scripture states that “they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men”.

(I need to pray for understanding of the last part of this vision).

Love in Christ,
Marty

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The question again; one more time: If we are in the kingdom of God now for 2000years already; why then is God going to send us great delusions. And why does it say in 2Tim 3.that in the last days things are getting so bad; read it for your self. Is Christ not fit to be a ruler?  Is he incapable. WAITING.

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So my question is; how come; when we suppose to be in the kingdom for 2000years now?

who says so
JN 12:32 “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men(true believers) to Myself.”
MT 24:9 “ Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.

Mt 5:3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 5:4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
Mt 5:5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
Mt 5:6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
Mt 5:7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
Mt 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
Mt 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
Mt 5:10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 5:11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
Mt 5:12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

all the above words of Christ are addressed to the 144k that will be redeemed from the earth

Mt 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.

if a true disciple of Christ make a new disciple He bring that disciple to God and his son ,because all their deeds are made for the glory of God and his son ,so religion can not do this because they serve themselves first and do not deliver the light .

each one of those verses can turn into a question ;like verse 8; what is having a pure heart

LK 11:2 And He said to them, “ When you pray, say:
‘ Father, hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.

REV 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying,
“Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

to my understanding the setup of the kingdom was when Christ died because then he had become the Lord of lords and King of kings ,but this was not THE KINGDOM ,many things have to be come trough yet ,and the number of the brothers of Christ have to be complete ,and the ones that are of Christ who have believe in the words of his disciples as also be saved ,and the time set by God as to be there ,

REV 17:17 “For God has put it in their hearts to execute His purpose by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled.

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Hi: The four kings or kingdoms are Babylonia, Media/Persia, Greece, and Rome.

Hi Marty,
can you be more specific?
Are you talking about the first four kings of the image in Daniel Chapter 2?
If so this is correct.

BUT if you are talking about the OTHER Vision in Daniel Chapter 7 then this is not correct.
Four beasts were shown in this vision depicting 4 KINGS specifically.  Their identities.  The last beast is different.  It has 10 kings. (10 horns)

1. The lion – The Lion was Darius of the Medes
2. The bear – The Bear was the 4th king of  Persia (not sure his name?) It's this king whom the description is given. The 4th king.
3. The leopard – The leopard is Alexander of Greece.  The leopard had four heads. Remember this.

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Babylonia was defeated by Cyrus, Alexander the Great defeated Media/Persia, Greece was defeated by Rome, and the Roman empire no longer exists.

Alexander was not conquered by anyone, but died a natural death, his kingdom was divided between his four generals. Handed down. This is the four heads of the leopard. The Roman Empire came out of one of these 4 generals (4 heads). The roman empire is included in the vision of this beast, the leopard, as it came out of Alexander.

now the fourth beast does not describe the Roman empire which we know came up next, but skips to the LAST EMPIRE.  Because the roman is included in the leopard beast already. Gone  It's just a rough run down.  The beast that amazed Daniel was the fourth one.
 
4. Dreadful terrible fourth beast with 10 horns.  The end time kingdom with 10 leaders. It was different from all the beasts before it.  More powerful than ever.  Imagine the strength of 10 leaders (kings) combining their power, authority and armies? Ruling as one.  This one hasn't come yet. They are planning this now in Europe. To bring in new world leaders, a new system. There will be only 10 nations, with more power, than what the EU or EEC has today.  They will make the world go bankrupt first, before they move in and bring in their so called relief  to the nations.  Then they will have control.  They are the masterminds and wicked men in high places controlling the affairs of the world like a game of chess.
This one will be ruling when Christ returns at the 2nd coming. The kings of the North (North of Jerusalem) Europe.
This is the one that will persecute the saints in the end times. Persecute means kill – put to death, or imprison.  This is revealed in Revelations.

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In Daniel while Daniel is in captivity God reveals the following to him: Dan 9:24 ¶ Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.   Dan 9:25   Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.   Dan 9:26   And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.   Dan 9:27   And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

From the day that the angel spoke to daniel to the comand to rebuild the temple =1wk
So daniel had to wait 1wk. then the comand came.

From the commandment to rebuild the temple to the crucifix.=62wk.

From the crucifixion to the destruction of the temple =7wk. (total 70 wk)

from this TIME on there is abominations ON THIS EARTH. (BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH) REV17. This is the desolation till now untill the the consummation. The coming of the Lord.

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Mar 1:14 ¶ Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,   Mar 1:15   And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

The kingdom of God is at hand.  It is coming.
For them, they only lived their lifetime 70-100 years.
When they awake from their sleep, Christ will be here,
to resurrect them into everlasting life, or meet them for judgement (1000 years later)
makes no difference.
It is at hand for every generation, and we only live so long, and time stands still in the grave.
The 2nd coming has not happened yet.

Revelation 1:3   Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Revelations reveals the time of the end.  The bible became available to us approx 1600 years after Christ's death.  If the TIME IS AT HAND already happened, then we have missed the boat?

I hope this all makes sense Marty, and you can understand what I am explaining.

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I am not sure about the following scripture: Quote Dan 2:42   And [as] the toes of the feet [were] part of iron, and part of clay, [so] the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.   Dan 2:43   And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. The toes of the feet may mean the Pharisees that were within the Roman empire as the clay, since the scripture states that “they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men”. (I need to pray for understanding of the last part of this vision). Love in Christ, Marty

Hi Marty

The toes are at the end of the feet.  The toes has 10 digits. We have to work this out ourselves, because God is not giving this knowledge to us on a silver platter!  We have to seek and make sure all prophesy corresponds, with no contradictions.

We have to understand that there have been major empires in power from the beginning.  God only mentions 7 particular empires that are relating and leading up to the end. Each empire that emerged was different.  There was a time when the Roman empire finished and lost it's power and reign. The image in Daniel starts from Babylon, as the first two empires, Egypt and Assyria were already finished. Gone by the time Nebuchadnezzar was in rule.

The Pharisees were Jews.  The Jews were not ruling many parts of the world, as they were under the Romans. Hostages you could say.  We know the Jews were given authority over Jewish matters, but they were still under the Roman.  They had no say in how Rome was ruling.

The toes is another empire, which came out of the previous. So it's reformed or reshaped.
If Revelations says that the 7th turns into the 8th, then logic tells us that the toes being the last must be the 8th. Transformed – and reshaped.
The Iron legs (Rome) finished at the ankles.
A New empire came up next, the feet, which was iron mixed with clay.
A different empire
We know the British Empire came up next, and was the most powerful. This empire must be the iron mixed with clay.  Strong nations with weak nations combined.  They mingle with the seed of men?  What does this mean?  Do they become multicultural nations?  Is England consisting of pure english people now? Or does it consist of Pakistani's, Indians, Jamaicans also? Most people are leaving England and migrating to Australia now for they say that their country is overtaken, and not English anymore.  Their traditional meal now is Curry, and not fish and chips.
New Zealanders are coming into Australia daily by boatloads, and they say the same thing, that their country is overtaken by chinese, and indians, and taking over all the businesses and jobs. Is this true? You see these different cultures mix and trade with one another, go to same schools, catch the same bus, but they don't stick together. Chalk and cheese – iron and clay.

Most of the other nations that came out of Britain are not pure anymore either, e.g. Australia, USA – all multicultural.
But if we go to Afganistan, Iraq, or Iran for example, you will see they are not multicultural. No mixed seed there. No one yearns to go there, and they do not welcome other cultures, like our governments do.

Your last sentence touched my heart. To show that you want understanding, shows that you care for the truth. Only God can give that to you, I'm just pointing out some things you may have not considered, but in the end, you have to weigh up all the information from everywhere.

God bless you.

[Wakeup]

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wakeup Quote The question again; one more time: If we are in the kingdom of God now for 2000years already; why then is God going to send us great delusions. And why does it say in 2Tim 3.that in the last days things are getting so bad; read it for your self. Is Christ not fit to be a ruler?  Is he incapable. WAITING. Quote So my question is; how come; when we suppose to be in the kingdom for 2000years now? who says so JN 12:32 “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men(true believers) to Myself.” MT 24:9 “ Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. Mt 5:3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Mt 5:4 Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. Mt 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. Mt 5:6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. Mt 5:7 Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. Mt 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. Mt 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God. Mt 5:10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Mt 5:11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Mt 5:12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. all the above words of Christ are addressed to the 144k that will be redeemed from the earth Mt 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven. if a true disciple of Christ make a new disciple He bring that disciple to God and his son ,because all their deeds are made for the glory of God and his son ,so religion can not do this because they serve themselves first and do not deliver the light . each one of those verses can turn into a question ;like verse 8; what is having a pure heart LK 11:2 And He said to them, “ When you pray, say: ‘ Father, hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. REV 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night. to my understanding the setup of the kingdom was when Christ died because then he had become the Lord of lords and King of kings ,but this was not THE KINGDOM ,many things have to be come trough yet ,and the number of the brothers of Christ have to be complete ,and the ones that are of Christ who have believe in the words of his disciples as also be saved ,and the time set by God as to be there , REV 17:17 “For God has put it in their hearts to execute His purpose by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled.

Terra.

Daniel was very clear when he says; And I watch till the thrones (as many,not one)were cast down; and the ancient of days did sit(in the kingdom).

So before the kingdom is set up; all the thrones must be cast down first.(babylon no more).

wakeup.

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Terra. Daniel was very clear when he says; And I watch till the thrones (as many,not one)were cast down; and the ancient of days did sit(in the kingdom). So before the kingdom is set up; all the thrones must be cast down first.(babylon no more). wakeup.

what scripture do you talking about

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wakeup Quote Terra. Daniel was very clear when he says; And I watch till the thrones (as many,not one)were cast down; and the ancient of days did sit(in the kingdom). So before the kingdom is set up; all the thrones must be cast down first.(babylon no more). wakeup. what scripture do you talking about

Terra.

Dan.7:9. And I watch till the thrones(thrones as many) were cast down,and the ancient of days did sit(sit in his throne)—

wakeup.

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Quote (terraricca @ July 30 2012,00:00) wakeup Quote Terra. Daniel was very clear when he says; And I watch till the thrones (as many,not one)were cast down; and the ancient of days did sit(in the kingdom). So before the kingdom is set up; all the thrones must be cast down first.(babylon no more). wakeup. what scripture do you talking about Terra. Dan.7:9. And I watch till the thrones(thrones as many) were cast down,and the ancient of days did sit(sit in his throne)— wakeup.

wakeup

Da 7:9 “As I looked,
“thrones were set in place,
and the Ancient of Days took his seat.
His clothing was as white as snow;
the hair of his head was white like wool.
His throne was flaming with fire,
and its wheels were all ablaze.

what he saw was the thrones (power) was set in place to the 144k,and the Ancient of days (christ)

Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

1CO 6:2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts?

1CO 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?

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Da 7:9 “As I looked, “thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took his seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool. His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze.

Pierre

The KJV words it like this

Daniel 7:9   I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

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Quote (Wakeup @ July 30 2012,07:42) Quote (terraricca @ July 30 2012,00:00) wakeup Quote Terra. Daniel was very clear when he says; And I watch till the thrones (as many,not one)were cast down; and the ancient of days did sit(in the kingdom). So before the kingdom is set up; all the thrones must be cast down first.(babylon no more). wakeup. what scripture do you talking about Terra. Dan.7:9. And I watch till the thrones(thrones as many) were cast down,and the ancient of days did sit(sit in his throne)— wakeup. wakeup Da 7:9 “As I looked, “thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took his seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool. His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze. what he saw was the thrones (power) was set in place  to the 144k,and the Ancient of days (christ) Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 1CO 6:2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts? 1CO 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?

Terra.

Cast down(destroyed). not set in place.
And the ancient of days(Jesus) did sit.(in his throne),just one throne,not many thrones.

This is why I dont use these new translations,as you know mankind has become more wicked.

wakeup.

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Quote (Wakeup @ July 30 2012,10:01)

Quote (terraricca @ July 30 2012,01:44) Quote (Wakeup @ July 30 2012,07:42) Quote (terraricca @ July 30 2012,00:00) wakeup Quote Terra. Daniel was very clear when he says; And I watch till the thrones (as many,not one)were cast down; and the ancient of days did sit(in the kingdom). So before the kingdom is set up; all the thrones must be cast down first.(babylon no more). wakeup. what scripture do you talking about Terra. Dan.7:9. And I watch till the thrones(thrones as many) were cast down,and the ancient of days did sit(sit in his throne)— wakeup. wakeup Da 7:9 “As I looked, “thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took his seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool. His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze. what he saw was the thrones (power) was set in place  to the 144k,and the Ancient of days (christ) Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 1CO 6:2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts? 1CO 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life? Terra. Cast down(destroyed). not set in place. And the ancient of days(Jesus) did sit.(in his throne),just one throne,not many thrones. This is why I dont use these new translations,as you know mankind has become more wicked. wakeup.

wake up

show me in “strong” and in the

r@mah (Aramaic)
hmr r@mah (Aramaic)
Pronunciation: rem-aw'
Origin: corresponding to 07411
Reference: TWOT – 2997
PrtSpch: verb
In Hebrew: amrty 4, amrml 2, anymr 1, wmrw 1, wmr 1, Nwmrtt 1, wymr 1, wymrw 1
In NET: thrown into 7, impose 1, set up 1, throw them into 1, thrown 1, threw 1
In AV: cast 10, impose 1, cast down 1
Count: 12
Definition: 1) to cast, throw
1a) (P'al)
1a1) to cast
1a2) to throw
1a2a) of tribute (fig)
1b) (Peil)
1b1) to be cast
1b2) to be placed, be set
1c) (Ithp'el) to be cast
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(Aramaic) corresponding to 7411; to throw, set,
(figuratively) assess:-cast (down), impose.
see HEBREW for 07411

you have to do better than the KJV;

the NKJV ;As I watched,
thrones were set in place,
and an Ancient One took his throne,
his clothing was white as snow,
and the hair of his head like pure wool;
his throne was fiery flames,
and its wheels were burning fire.

so what is your point

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Quote (terraricca @ July 30 2012,05:28)

Quote (Wakeup @ July 30 2012,10:01) Quote (terraricca @ July 30 2012,01:44) Quote (Wakeup @ July 30 2012,07:42) Quote (terraricca @ July 30 2012,00:00) wakeup Quote Terra. Daniel was very clear when he says; And I watch till the thrones (as many,not one)were cast down; and the ancient of days did sit(in the kingdom). So before the kingdom is set up; all the thrones must be cast down first.(babylon no more). wakeup. what scripture do you talking about Terra. Dan.7:9. And I watch till the thrones(thrones as many) were cast down,and the ancient of days did sit(sit in his throne)— wakeup. wakeup Da 7:9 “As I looked, “thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took his seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool. His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze. what he saw was the thrones (power) was set in place  to the 144k,and the Ancient of days (christ) Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 1CO 6:2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts? 1CO 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life? Terra. Cast down(destroyed). not set in place. And the ancient of days(Jesus) did sit.(in his throne),just one throne,not many thrones. This is why I dont use these new translations,as you know mankind has become more wicked. wakeup. wake up show me in “strong” and in the r@mah (Aramaic) hmr r@mah (Aramaic) Pronunciation: rem-aw' Origin: corresponding to 07411 Reference: TWOT – 2997 PrtSpch: verb In Hebrew: amrty 4, amrml 2, anymr 1, wmrw 1, wmr 1, Nwmrtt 1, wymr 1, wymrw 1 In NET: thrown into 7, impose 1, set up 1, throw them into 1, thrown 1, threw 1 In AV: cast 10, impose 1, cast down 1 Count: 12 Definition: 1) to cast, throw 1a) (P'al) 1a1) to cast 1a2) to throw 1a2a) of tribute (fig) 1b) (Peil) 1b1) to be cast 1b2) to be placed, be set 1c) (Ithp'el) to be cast ——————————————————————————– (Aramaic) corresponding to 7411; to throw, set, (figuratively) assess:-cast (down), impose. see HEBREW for 07411 you have to do better than the KJV; the NKJV ;As I watched, thrones were set in place, and an Ancient One took his throne, his clothing was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames, and its wheels were burning fire. so what is your point

Terra.

As you can see that interpretation contradict the image in Daniel; when the stone from heaven will crush the whole image to dust.then Christ will set up his kingdom.(the ancient of days did sit).(in charge).

Equal to; when the thrones wer CAST DOWN(all kingdoms destroyed). to ashes (not thrones were set).
I dont care what those smart intelects are trying to say,if it is contradictory it is a no,no. you have to watch them.

Have a good look before you put down the kjv.(your choice).

wakeup.

w

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wake up show me in “strong” and in the r@mah (Aramaic) hmr r@mah (Aramaic) Pronunciation: rem-aw' Origin: corresponding to 07411 Reference: TWOT – 2997 PrtSpch: verb In Hebrew: amrty 4, amrml 2, anymr 1, wmrw 1, wmr 1, Nwmrtt 1, wymr 1, wymrw 1 In NET: thrown into 7, impose 1, set up 1, throw them into 1, thrown 1, threw 1 In AV: cast 10, impose 1, cast down 1 Count: 12 Definition: 1) to cast, throw 1a) (P'al) 1a1) to cast 1a2) to throw 1a2a) of tribute (fig) 1b) (Peil) 1b1) to be cast 1b2) to be placed, be set 1c) (Ithp'el) to be cast ——————————————————————————– (Aramaic) corresponding to 7411; to throw, set, (figuratively) assess:-cast (down), impose. see HEBREW for 07411 you have to do better than the KJV; the NKJV ;As I watched, thrones were set in place, and an Ancient One took his throne, his clothing was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames, and its wheels were burning fire. so what is your point

You still refuse to listen don't you Pierre.
Your pride and faith in mens meddling with the written Word is astounding and leads you astray greatly as is so obvious in your understanding.

Don't you know who wrote the NKJV?
Thomas Nelson Inc.

Company Overview

Thomas Nelson, Inc. publishes fiction books, nonfiction books, books for kids, bibles, biblical reference books, gift books, and Spanish books. It offers products through retail partners, as well as online. The company was founded in 1844 and is headquartered in Nashville, Tennessee. As of July 11, 2012, Thomas Nelson, Inc. operates as a subsidiary of HarperCollins Publishers L.L.C.

This is a profit driven organization totally soaked in Babylon the great, with Babylon the great & for Babylon the great.
So what is WU's point?
KJV was translated by ONE group for ONE purpose and ONE purpose ONLY….the accurate recording of Gods written Word.
NO company…NO profit…just ONE reason.
And written by the most trusted and reputable scribes in the land, even grudgingly backed as genuine & trustworthy by their jealous opponents who were not included in the translation team.
It matters NOT what king James' reason was, king James did not translate it, God used king James for His own reasons, just as He used Hitler. king James was in the position to do Gods will, even though James was doing it for his own wicked reasons, God used James for His willed outcome.
WU & us shouldn't even need to tell somebody who apparently understands scripture, somebody who is obviously not keeping true to his duty in Christ by testing out all things to do with Gods written word.

And who is Harper Collins Publishers?

to your shame, read on & see which blasphemous people this company endorses

Company Profile
HarperCollins Publishers is one of the world’s leading English-language publishers. Headquartered in New York, the company is a subsidiary of News Corporation. The house of Mark Twain, the Brontë sisters, Thackeray, Dickens, John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr., Maurice Sendak, Shel Silverstein, and Margaret Wise Brown, HarperCollins was founded in New York City in 1817 as J. and J. Harper, later Harper & Brothers, by James and John Harper. In 1987, as Harper & Row, it was acquired by News Corporation. The worldwide book group was formed following News Corporation’s 1990 acquisition of the British publisher William Collins & Sons. Founded in 1819, William Collins & Sons published a range of Bibles, atlases, dictionaries, and reissued classics, expanding over the years to include legendary authors, such as H. G. Wells, Agatha Christie, J. R. R. Tolkien, and C. S. Lewis. HarperCollins has publishing groups in the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia/New Zealand, and India.

Today, HarperCollins is a broad-based publisher with strengths in literary and commercial fiction, business books, children's books, cookbooks, mystery, romance, reference, religious and spiritual books. With nearly 200 years of history, HarperCollins has published some of the world's foremost authors and has won numerous awards including the Nobel Prize, the Pulitzer Prize and National Book Award, the Newbery Medal and the Caldecott.

Don't you know, for example, just one example, H.G Wells was a staunch evolutionist and HATED GOD.
And this worldly company which oversees the other worldly company that produces your corrupted Bibles….these are trustworthy with Gods written Word & have honorable intentions??
Please wake up before the little time we have left beats you to it.

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Pierre,

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so what is your point

© 2001 by David W. Daniels

Question: What is wrong with the New King James Version (NKJV)? All it does is modernize the words of the King James Bible, right? Why should I read the King James and not the helpful New King James?

Answer: The New King James is not a King James Bible. It changed thousands of words, ruined valuable verses, and when not agreeing with the King James Bible, it has instead copied the perverted NIV, NASV or RSV. And this you must know: those who translated the NKJV did not believe God perfectly preserved His words!

I have gotten more letters on this question than almost any other. This is very important to those who want God's truth in the English language. I myself used the NKJV for a decade before I learned the truth about the preserved words of God. Here is some of what convinced me to switch to the King James Bible from the “New King James.”

Changed Words Means Changed Meanings

We know that Bible versions disagree on how to translate certain words. Here is an example: Is Jesus God's “Son” or God's “servant”? If He is God's Son, then we all need to listen to what He said! Changed words like this make a great deal of difference in how we understand a passage.
Loss of “thee” and “thou”

Please decide what God is saying to Moses:
“And the LORD said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws?” (Exodus 16:28, NKJV)

It looks like God is saying, “Moses, you are continuing to refuse to keep My commandments and My laws.” But look carefully at the accurate King James:
“And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?”

Now we understand! It was the people, not Moses, that God was upset with. “Ye” and “you” mean more than one person. “Thee,” “thou,” “thy,” “thine,” “doeth,” “hast,” etc., only mean one person. How do we know? The “y” is plural. The “t” is singular. Isn't that easy? Now you know what Jesus meant when He said to Nicodemus, “Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again” (John 3:7).

What Jesus said was, “Nicodemus, marvel not that I said unto thee, all of you need to be born again.” This is very important. Not only Nicodemus needed to be saved. But everybody, including him, needed to be born again. That's why Jesus used the plural.

But there is more of a problem than the thousands of times “thee” and “thou” are removed from God's words. What does a word mean? This is very important, as you shall see.
Go to Gehenna?

The NKJV claims to be “more accurate” because it leaves untranslated words like “Gehenna,” “Hades” and “Sheol.” What do they mean? You will know from the King James the exact meaning: “hell.” We know what that means. Meaning is very important. When's the last time you heard someone told to “Go to Gehenna”?
Which is correct?

The NKJV consistently uses terms that don't mean the same as in the King James Bible. Here are some examples:
King James Version New King James Version
2 Corinthians 2:17 “For we are not as many which corrupt the word of God” “peddling the word of God” (like the NIV, NASV and RSV)
Titus 3:10 “A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject” “Reject a divisive man” (like the NIV)
1 Thessalonians 5:22 “Abstain from all appearance of evil.” “Abstain from every form of evil.” (like the NAS, RSV and ASV)
Isaiah 66:5 “Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.” [This means that the LORD shall appear, which shall occur at the Second Coming of Christ.] “Hear the word of the LORD, you who tremble at His word: “Your brethren who hated you, who cast you out for My name's sake, said, 'Let the LORD be glorified, that we may see your joy.' But they shall be ashamed.” (Like the NIV, NASV, RSV and ASV, the Second Coming is wholly omitted from this scripture.)

Both translations cannot be correct. If one is right, the other has to be wrong. No matter how you slice it, the NKJV does not have the same meaning as the accurate King James Bible.
2. Changed Affections

There is a lot of evidence that the translators and publishers did not believe God preserved His words.
Thomas Nelson Publishers

The NKJV was translated and is printed under the watchful eye of Thomas Nelson Publishers. Here is part of a timeline they published.

1969
Sam Moore purchases Thomas Nelson Publishers, vowing to return it to its once proud place among the leading publishers of the world.

1976
Nelson initiates the creation of a new Bible translation–The New King James Version.

1980's
Nelson reclaims its place as a premier publisher of Bibles and Christian Books, expands into international markets, and establishes Markings® as Nelson's Gift division.

It is clear the NKJV made Thomas Nelson Publishers a lot of money. Did a King James-type Bible renew their hearts to God? Note the following facts:

They are also the publishers of the American Standard Version, the American revision of Westcott and Hort's perverted English Revised Version.
They are also the publishers of the Revised Standard Version, the revision of the American Standard.
To this day they continue to sell at least six Bible perversions. The NKJV was just one moneymaker that helped Nelson “reclaim its place” as a major publisher.
The NKJV repeats the lie that “There is only one basic New Testament used by Protestants, Roman Catholics, and Orthodox, by conservatives and liberals.” In fact, there are two: the perverted Alexandrian line that was continued by the Roman Catholic religion and the preserved, apostolic, Antiochian line that progresses from the Christians at Antioch of Syria (Acts 11:26) to our precious King James Bible.

The New King James translators

Marion H. Reynolds Jr. of the Fundamental Evangelistic Association reveals a little-known fact:

“The duplicity of the NKJV scholars is also a matter for concern. Although each scholar was asked to subscribe to a statement confirming his belief in the plenary, divine, verbal inspiration of the original autographs (none of which exist today), the question of whether or not they also believed in the divine preservation of the divinely inspired originals was not an issue as it should have been. Dr. Arthur Farstad, chairman of the NKJV Executive Review Committee which had the responsibility of final text approval, stated that this committee was about equally divided as to which was the better Greek New Testament text-the Textus Receptus or the Westcott-Hort. Apparently none of them believed that either text was the Divinely preserved Word of God. Yet, all of them participated in a project to “protect and preserve the purity and accuracy” of the original KJV based on the TR. Is not this duplicity of the worst kind, coming from supposedly evangelical scholars?”
Not “the real thing”

What Mr. Reynolds points out is very important to understand. There were basically two groups of translators working on the NKJV. One half believed that the perverted 45 Alexandrian manuscripts, from which came the Roman Catholic Bibles and the modern perversions, were better than the manuscripts behind the King James. The other group believed the thousands of manuscripts supporting the King James were better. This is a big problem: No one believed that they held God's words in their hands, only a “better” or “worse” text! The translators believed they had something close, but not an accurate Bible. It is a sad thing when a Bible translator doesn't even believe he has God's words in his hands. It sounds like they don't believe God kept His promise:

Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. (Mark 13:31)

Perhaps that is why some of them had no problem working on other perversions, both before and after working on the NKJV. This is so unlike the 54+ Bible men who faithfully translated the King James Bible from preserved manuscripts of God's words. The difference between the King James and the “New” King James is the difference between day and night.

Compromising God's Words

Many Christians are discovering the miracle of God's words in English. But the enemy has tried to insert a monkey-wrench: the NKJV. Pastors approve it, “scholars” promote it, but the NKJV is a wolf in sheep's clothing. The New King James is just a compromise between the liberal, perverted Bible versions floating around and the rock-solid, accurate and preserved words of God, the King James Bible.

Brothers and sisters, don't settle for anything less than God's words.

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