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Quote Does God not do everything for his own purpose? this is so true ,either good or bad we all get use by God for his purpose ,because his purpose his love not destruction,
August 6, 2012 at 4:14 am#308275journey42ParticipantHi Marty
Thanks for answering. I think it was me that spoke with you, forgive me if I am wrong. I can't find wakeup replying to you.
It's good that you have been praying and studying, and interested in the prophesies. Praise our heavenly Father.Quote I have been praying and studying and it appears that the “ten toes” are not part of the fourth kingdom until the end times just prior to the Lord coming for the church. The fourth kingdom according to Daniel 2 and 7 is the Roman Empire. This is so close Marty. Remember two different visions. in Ch 2 is the image, with the fourth being Rome. Correct. But in Ch7 is a separate vision. The fourth beast is not the fourth beast of the image, but the fourth beat of this particular vision.. Old time Rome has gone already in the 3rd beast (leopard), but Daniel concentrates on the Fourth beast, you could call it modern day Rome I suppose, because the British empire came out of her. But to be more exact, the British empire is the beast with the deadly wound. This wound has to be healed before the 10 come out of it. The British empire was healed after the 2nd world war and still holds major power and influence in the world.
You see the beast in Rev 13 has 7 heads. That is what he sees, a beast with 7 heads,
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed ……Which head was wounded?
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven.Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but recieve power as kings one hour with the beast.
During the 2nd world war, England, France, Germany etc were all flattened. They have rebuilt their cities and recovered. The other European nations were not of the British empire, but they are her neighbours, brothers, and they (Europe) are sticking together. We now have the Euro dollar, and the people can travel freely between these countries. England has not changed to the Euro yet, but something is brewing right now, a new system (new world order) is about to emerge when the 10 kings arrive. The currency will probably change and be called something different. The whole system will change, and these 10 will bring in that new system, and if the world want to trade with her, they have to change to the same system too.
Everyone will be one
just like in Babel
all coming together again.
This is what they want, so they can have more control,
and they will,
and will introduce the mark of the beast.
and anyone that takes it, becomes part of this new system,
but the christians with knowledge will refuse no matter what
when that time comes. (soon, marty, soon)This is all Satans plan, so his final kingdom which he controls, and inspires will cause utter destruction on Israel, and the world, and persecute the saints at the same time.
And he will use the 10 kings, and the false prophet to carry out the job.don't go away just yet, I will address your next statement following this.
August 6, 2012 at 5:14 am#308283journey42Participant942767,Aug. wrote:[/quote]
Quote However, I believe that the next event will be those nations that are coming against Israel and Jews as described in Ezekiel 38 and Zechariah 14.
Yes those nations come against Israel, and you are spot on with Zechariah 14.
but Ezekiel 38 is not talking about this time. It's a separate event 1000 years later after Christ's 2nd coming.I'll give you a brief run down.
When Christ returns,
he will gather the first fruits first. (144,000) (Rev 14:1)
They will meet him in the air, and witness the destruction of the beast (10 kings) and the False prophet being destroyed (Rev 19:20)
And the remnant of those armies there in Israel will be destroyed also, (Rev 19:21)Then Satan gets locked up in the bottomless pit, so that he cannot deceive the nations no more till the 1000 years is up. (Rev 20:2)
Then the rest of the dead who died in Christ will be resurrected to meet with Christ in the air, these will also reign with Christ for 1000 years (Rev 20:4)
So there are survivors, because Satan is locked up for 1000 years so he doesn't decieve the nations during that time.
The kingdom will be set up, with Christ ruling, and the saints, and certain Israelites will be raised up in their flesh only, and will reside inside the boundary of the kingdom (Jerusalem)
The Jews are being grafted back in now, (Ezekiel ch 37) and live peacefully within the kingdom. They will be taught Christ now, and Christ will not loose one of them. They are still flesh, so they die, but at a ripe old age. They will be resurrected in the 2nd judgement.The rest of the nations that survived, will have their dominion taken away, as Christ is king of kings, and they are now under him. They have witnessed Christ 2nd coming and the destruction of Babylon the Great (the system) with their own eyes, and knowledge will come out of the kingdom to teach them the Lords ways, (Isaiah 2:2-4) and they can come into the kingdom to learn, but they can't live there.
Then after the thousand years, Satan will be let out of his prison (Rev 20:7) and will start again to decieve the nations. This is a different battle, the last battle and this battle is called Gog and Magog. Gog must be the man Satan chooses to lead again, and Magog are the nations that follow him.
Gog and Magog will attack the holy camp, but the camp is protected and fire will come down from heaven by God himself to destroy them.
This is the end of Satan now.
Now is the Great White throne judgement, where all the dead will be judged according to the books (their works)Now Ezekiel chapter 38 gives more detail about this Gog and Magog battle. Don't get it confused with “Jacob's trouble” which happens in our time, not a thousand years after.
Read the words carefully in Ezekiel chapter 38 & 39, and you will see that they are attacking the holy camp where Israel dwells safely(Ezek 38:11 & 14)
This corresponds with Rev
Rev 20:7 And when the 1000 years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison.Rev 20:8 And shall go out to decieve the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth. Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle; the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that decieved them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and forever.
This corresponds with Ezekiel
Ezekiel 38:22 And I will plead against him with pestilence, and with blood, and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstoneGog and his armies (magog) will be buried in “the valley of the passengers” and the mass graves there, and the all the dead will cause a big stink, and it will take 7 years to bury the dead
This is a different event as Satan gets thrown straight into the lake of fire, and not buried,
and Christ gets the priveledge of destroying the False prophet and the 10 kings at his coming,
whereas Gog and Magog get killed by God directly from heaven, not by ChristNOW IS THE 2ND FINAL JUDGEMENT ON THE WORLD (Rev 20:11-15)
This is when the last enemy will be destroyed – DEATH (rev 20:14)
Now the earth and the heavens will be melted and everything made anew (Rev 21:1)
I know it's a lot to take in. Take your time.
I'm still not finished.
God blessAugust 6, 2012 at 6:05 am#308290WakeupParticipantQuote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2012,08:45) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 06 2012,04:04) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 05 2012,10:25) HEB 3:11 AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH,
`THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.’ ”HEB 4:3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said,
“AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH,
THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,”
although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
HEB 4:5 and again in this passage, “THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.”
TerraMY QUESTION TO ED, WAS:
WHAT IS THIS REST?
wakeup.
wupthe rest is the 1000 years of Christ reign
Terra.Yes you are close to the asswer,but not 100%.
If we follow Christ path;we will live in peace,now.(rest)
We must adopt his spirit and be like him.The other rest is paradise; this is for the jews that will be brought back from the grave by election.They will live in peace in the 1000yr kingdom and they will multiply,and become many and will be taught by the saints,now the jews that has received the knowledge will also teach the gentiles outside.
And many will learn and have knowledge.The christians (so called),that survived the destruction of babylon(and living outside) also will be taught by the jews.
The saints are they; that has been resurrected at the coming.
For these saints; they have inherited the the kingdom in heaven,they can go up and down.(they are spirit).The jews that disobeyed God and went astray worshipping other gods,they will never be brought back(never enter the rest),but they also will be resurrected in the 2nd resurrection,and judged by the books.
wakeup.
August 6, 2012 at 6:14 am#308294terrariccaParticipantQuote (Wakeup @ Aug. 07 2012,00:05) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2012,08:45) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 06 2012,04:04) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 05 2012,10:25) HEB 3:11 AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH,
`THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.’ ”HEB 4:3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said,
“AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH,
THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,”
although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
HEB 4:5 and again in this passage, “THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.”
TerraMY QUESTION TO ED, WAS:
WHAT IS THIS REST?
wakeup.
wupthe rest is the 1000 years of Christ reign
Terra.Yes you are close to the asswer,but not 100%.
If we follow Christ path;we will live in peace,now.(rest)
We must adopt his spirit and be like him.The other rest is paradise; this is for the jews that will be brought back from the grave by election.They will live in peace in the 1000yr kingdom and they will multiply,and become many and will be taught by the saints,now the jews that has received the knowledge will also teach the gentiles outside.
And many will learn and have knowledge.The christians (so called),that survived the destruction of babylon(and living outside) also will be taught by the jews.
The saints are they; that has been resurrected at the coming.
For these saints; they have inherited the the kingdom in heaven,they can go up and down.(they are spirit).The jews that disobeyed God and went astray worshipping other gods,they will never be brought back(never enter the rest),but they also will be resurrected in the 2nd resurrection,and judged by the books.
wakeup.
WupSo living in the great tribulation of your live His now a rest
Who say so
August 6, 2012 at 6:22 am#308295terrariccaParticipantWup
The 1000 year of Christ are for all those that have made their live in harmony with what God requested and so follow Christ ,their are no Jews or Gentiles only true believers ,exept those called to heaven all other will remain on earth,
It is only after the final destruction of all evil that the heavenly Jerusalem comes down from heaven on earth see Revelation
August 6, 2012 at 10:46 am#308307WakeupParticipantQuote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2012,17:22) Wup The 1000 year of Christ are for all those that have made their live in harmony with what God requested and so follow Christ ,their are no Jews or Gentiles only true believers ,exept those called to heaven all other will remain on earth,
It is only after the final destruction of all evil that the heavenly Jerusalem comes down from heaven on earth see Revelation
Terra.If you live in Christ you will have peace of mind,even though satan comes and gives us problems,God allows this to make us strong spiritually. Like chastising his children.
Jesus Christ also was a man of sorrows.(isiah 53:1–5).
The 1000yr kingdom are for the jews only that will be brought back from the grave. Not for the gentiles.
Spiritual israel are the true Christians: will be resurrected in a glorified body,and will teach the jews in the flesh.The saints kingdom is forever;not only 1000yrs.
And then the jews also will teach all them outside; and many christians(luke warm) also will be taught by the jews.
Heaveanly Jerusalem will only come down after the earth and the heavens has been melted and renewed.
This earth is full of temples and churches and sinagogs and mosques,piramids.cities under the earth and under the mountains,and all the great multi story buildings.
All the factories and nuclear plants will be no more.
GODS PLAN: FIRST TO THE JEWS(israel); the jews refused; now to the gentiles; the gentiles accept it; back to the jews(in the 1000yr reign);the jews will accept; now from the jews to all the gentiles; many will accept and many also will still reject. And they are them that satan will draw to fight the last war(gog and magog).
wakeup.
August 6, 2012 at 10:50 am#308308journey42ParticipantHi Marty
Quote However, I believe that the next event will be those nations that are coming against Israel and Jews as described in Ezekiel 38 and Zechariah 14. God will intervene against them, and after this there will be a peace treaty signed with Israel and during this period of peace, Yes this peace treaty that Israel makes with the False prophet and the beast is what God calls their covenant with death.
Isaiah 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
The peace treaty will be made first. Israel will be occupied for 3 1/2 years. (Rev 11:2 & Dan 12:7) then God will send Christ to intervene by stopping that war.
Quote the temple will be rebuilt,
Yes, this is where Israel get deceived. The one thing that is stopping Israel from building the temple is that the Dome of the Rock is in the way (Muslim Temple). They dare not touch this, so the covenant with the False prophet and the beast is to pretend they are getting invaded, get the temple destroyed, and start building their own temple. This will be a facade. But it will backfire on them, and the False Prophet gets the temple built and then sits in it himself as God.(Dan 11:36 & 45)Quote and the Jews who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah will begin offering animal sacrifices. We will know the beast when he stops the Jews from offering the animal sacrifices.
These are the scriptures relative to his stopping the animal sacrifices:Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Dan 12:11 And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
The daily sacrifice being taken away is not the abomination that makes desolate, for God was tired with all these sacrifices long ago, which is why he sent Christ to bring in the new covenant.Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mark 12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
The daily sacrifice must be refraining from evil. Fearing God. The land will be desolate, no knowledge, no fear, do what thou wilt, murder, steal, take, oppress, lie, persecute, etc. No love any more, no mercy, no kindness, no help, just oppress.
Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Quote In the scriptures in Daniel 12 there will be 1290 days from the time the animal sacrifices are stopped and the Anti-Christ sets himself up in the temple showing himself to be God, the abomination of desolation, and from that time until the rapture of the church there will be forty five days approximately, because no man knows the day or the hour. Yes, this is giving us the time frame.
We know the false prophet will occupy Israel for 1290 days (3 1/2 years.)
So the daily sacrifice that gets taken away at the start of the 3 1/2 years.
Could most of the saints be persecuted before he moves into Israel? If they are all dead, or imprisoned, or on the run, then there is no-one, not one person left to preach or warn the world (except the two witnesses who get murdered)
and at the end of the 3 1/2 years when the temple is rebuilt, and the False prophet sits in there as God,
just wait another 45 days later, and the Lord will come.(Yes you are the only one I have heard that understands this, on these chat forums.)
We will not know the day nor the hour, but if we are alive during those days, we count exactly 45 days till Christ comes. We can even work it out now, but not exactly, only approx as you state. We can only start counting when the 10 kings emerge, and they enter Israel.We even know that the battle is going on in Israel at the same time Christ comes, but the battle takes a twist, and instead of fighting each other, they start fighting Christ. Could this be that Christ is in the air for 45 days? We just have to wait and see. I have no idea, just questions.
God blessAugust 6, 2012 at 2:22 pm#308317DevolutionParticipantPierre,
We saw in Matthew that first the harvest must happen before Christs people are put in the barn.
The barn is the kingdom.
The barn/kingdom sits in its own place in the field/world.
The barn/kingdom can not be a “waiting room” as you said because right after the harvest the children of the kingdom are put into it. And this is at the 2nd coming.
And Christ promises that we will all be changed at His coming and be with Him from that very moment onwards forever.
So what is this waiting?
How can this waiting even happen?
It goes against Christs promise of being with Him from the moment He raises us to be with Him, to be with Him in His kingdom, to share His glory in this kingdom which He inherited and extended His invitation to us also to inherit.
There is no “waiting room” period at His coming.HOWEVER….The “waiting room” you are describing, which is not the barn, can be likened to something else though Pierre.
Something that is happening now, and has been happening since Christs ascension.
You have even described the processes correctly. Its just that you have put it into the wrong time period…the kingdom period that has not yet come.
This waiting room, which is not the barn, that is happening now, is what is described as Zions wombZion the church of the firstborn
Zion the city
Zion the woman
Zion the womb
Zion the kingdom
Zion the general assembly
Zion the holy mountain
These are all connected when carefully discerned.We are being planted into Gods spiritual woman/church as we spiritually grow here on earth awaiting Her/Zions birth at the 2nd coming, and we are the children to be born…born into new creatures….eternal creatures…at the twinkling of an eye, to be with Christ forever…all the saints making up a holy nation gathered together to Christ into His barn/kingdom in one day….a nation that is born in one day…sound familiar?
This is what is meant in Hebrews, which was written after Christ already ascended mind you…
Hebrews 13:14
For here (in the field/world) have we no continuing CITY (barn/kingdom), but we seek one to COME (set up at the 2nd COMING)Cheers.
August 6, 2012 at 3:29 pm#308321terrariccaParticipantwup
Quote The 1000yr kingdom are for the jews only that will be brought back from the grave. Not for the gentiles.
Spiritual israel are the true Christians: will be resurrected in a glorified body,and will teach the jews in the flesh.were is this written???
August 6, 2012 at 3:33 pm#308322terrariccaParticipantwup
Quote The saints kingdom is forever;not only 1000yrs. the saints are the Apostles and the 144k all others are called righteous in my understanding ,but both have received eternal live ,but the saint also receive immortality,and a spiritual body ,
August 6, 2012 at 5:46 pm#308325WakeupParticipantQuote (terraricca @ Aug. 07 2012,02:33) wup Quote The saints kingdom is forever;not only 1000yrs. the saints are the Apostles and the 144k all others are called righteous in my understanding ,but both have received eternal live ,but the saint also receive immortality,and a spiritual body ,
Terra.The apostles are aleady in heaven 24 elders witnessing the Lamb opening the 7 seals.
All the resurrcted in the first resurrection will be saints also.wakeup.
August 6, 2012 at 6:02 pm#308327WakeupParticipantQuote (terraricca @ Aug. 07 2012,02:29) wup Quote The 1000yr kingdom are for the jews only that will be brought back from the grave. Not for the gentiles.
Spiritual israel are the true Christians: will be resurrected in a glorified body,and will teach the jews in the flesh.were is this written???
Terra.Eziekielch.37.The dry bones of israel;God will put flesh on them. These are the jews that will be brought back from the grave, and they will be the population in the 1000yr reign,and they will multiply and become a great nation.
See also Jer.31:15–18. Rama, Rachels children weeping,and God said,dont cry for I will bring them back again to their own border(israel).
These are the children that were killed by king herod.
They also will be in the 1000yr reign.wakeup.
August 6, 2012 at 8:14 pm#308332terrariccaParticipantQuote (Wakeup @ Aug. 07 2012,12:02) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 07 2012,02:29) wup Quote The 1000yr kingdom are for the jews only that will be brought back from the grave. Not for the gentiles.
Spiritual israel are the true Christians: will be resurrected in a glorified body,and will teach the jews in the flesh.were is this written???
Terra.Eziekielch.37.The dry bones of israel;God will put flesh on them. These are the jews that will be brought back from the grave, and they will be the population in the 1000yr reign,and they will multiply and become a great nation.
See also Jer.31:15–18. Rama, Rachels children weeping,and God said,dont cry for I will bring them back again to their own border(israel).
These are the children that were killed by king herod.
They also will be in the 1000yr reign.wakeup.
wupit seems you do not know ,who his Israel,
August 6, 2012 at 8:16 pm#308333terrariccaParticipantQuote (Wakeup @ Aug. 07 2012,11:46) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 07 2012,02:33) wup Quote The saints kingdom is forever;not only 1000yrs. the saints are the Apostles and the 144k all others are called righteous in my understanding ,but both have received eternal live ,but the saint also receive immortality,and a spiritual body ,
Terra.The apostles are aleady in heaven 24 elders witnessing the Lamb opening the 7 seals.
All the resurrcted in the first resurrection will be saints also.wakeup.
wupso 12 = 24 now ? is this a true interpretation ,did God spook this way
August 6, 2012 at 11:28 pm#308351WakeupParticipantQuote (terraricca @ Aug. 07 2012,07:14) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 07 2012,12:02) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 07 2012,02:29) wup Quote The 1000yr kingdom are for the jews only that will be brought back from the grave. Not for the gentiles.
Spiritual israel are the true Christians: will be resurrected in a glorified body,and will teach the jews in the flesh.were is this written???
Terra.Eziekielch.37.The dry bones of israel;God will put flesh on them. These are the jews that will be brought back from the grave, and they will be the population in the 1000yr reign,and they will multiply and become a great nation.
See also Jer.31:15–18. Rama, Rachels children weeping,and God said,dont cry for I will bring them back again to their own border(israel).
These are the children that were killed by king herod.
They also will be in the 1000yr reign.wakeup.
wupit seems you do not know ,who his Israel,
Terra.I know,terra.
Not all israel is of israel:
Romans 9:6. Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect,FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL,WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL.
Paul is speaking about the physical israel(jews),and the spiritual israel(christians).
Israel is first but they will be in the heavenly kingdom last.
The christians are last but they will be in the heavenly kingdom first.(the saints).The workers that came in last will get paid first(the parable of the workers in the field).
The 144000 are of this last generation: they will get their reward first.(first fruits).wakeup.
August 7, 2012 at 12:03 am#308355terrariccaParticipantQuote (Wakeup @ Aug. 07 2012,17:28) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 07 2012,07:14) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 07 2012,12:02) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 07 2012,02:29) wup Quote The 1000yr kingdom are for the jews only that will be brought back from the grave. Not for the gentiles.
Spiritual israel are the true Christians: will be resurrected in a glorified body,and will teach the jews in the flesh.were is this written???
Terra.Eziekielch.37.The dry bones of israel;God will put flesh on them. These are the jews that will be brought back from the grave, and they will be the population in the 1000yr reign,and they will multiply and become a great nation.
See also Jer.31:15–18. Rama, Rachels children weeping,and God said,dont cry for I will bring them back again to their own border(israel).
These are the children that were killed by king herod.
They also will be in the 1000yr reign.wakeup.
wupit seems you do not know ,who his Israel,
Terra.I know,terra.
Not all israel is of israel:
Romans 9:6. Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect,FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL,WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL.
Paul is speaking about the physical israel(jews),and the spiritual israel(christians).
Israel is first but they will be in the heavenly kingdom last.
The christians are last but they will be in the heavenly kingdom first.(the saints).The workers that came in last will get paid first(the parable of the workers in the field).
The 144000 are of this last generation: they will get their reward first.(first fruits).wakeup.
good ,even exelent,August 7, 2012 at 12:54 am#308368WakeupParticipantQuote (terraricca @ Aug. 07 2012,07:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 07 2012,11:46) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 07 2012,02:33) wup Quote The saints kingdom is forever;not only 1000yrs. the saints are the Apostles and the 144k all others are called righteous in my understanding ,but both have received eternal live ,but the saint also receive immortality,and a spiritual body ,
Terra.The apostles are aleady in heaven 24 elders witnessing the Lamb opening the 7 seals.
All the resurrcted in the first resurrection will be saints also.wakeup.
wupso 12 = 24 now ? is this a true interpretation ,did God spook this way
Terra.We know Jesus had 12 apostles,but revelation says there are 24 ELDERS.Now the other 12 could be the prophets? or other 12 apostles,the students of the the original 12.
This I am not sure.wakeup.
August 7, 2012 at 1:05 am#308372terrariccaParticipantQuote (Wakeup @ Aug. 07 2012,18:54) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 07 2012,07:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 07 2012,11:46) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 07 2012,02:33) wup Quote The saints kingdom is forever;not only 1000yrs. the saints are the Apostles and the 144k all others are called righteous in my understanding ,but both have received eternal live ,but the saint also receive immortality,and a spiritual body ,
Terra.The apostles are aleady in heaven 24 elders witnessing the Lamb opening the 7 seals.
All the resurrcted in the first resurrection will be saints also.wakeup.
wupso 12 = 24 now ? is this a true interpretation ,did God spook this way
Terra.We know Jesus had 12 apostles,but revelation says there are 24 ELDERS.Now the other 12 could be the prophets? or other 12 apostles,the students of the the original 12.
This I am not sure.wakeup.
wupwhat we do not know we do not say ,or tell that it is so just a guess ,
12 =12
the 24 elders in heaven are not the apostles ,because all what those elders do is worship God and so over sees what is done ,similar to the 24 high priest serving in the temple one for 15 days years around = 24
August 7, 2012 at 3:09 am#308422WakeupParticipantTerra.
See Mat.19:28.
wakeup.
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