The source of false religion

[terraricca]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 08 2013,07:29)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 08 2013,11:49) 1. The True Origin of 'Allah': The Archaeological Record Speaks A. The Name of God in the Bible The God of the Old Testament is known as YHWH ()or, when pointed with the correct vowels, Yahweh. This translates as “The Self-Existent One”, being derived from the Hebrew háwáh, meaning “to exist”. As Allah is the name of God on the Muslim Holy Scriptures, the Koran (or Quran), so Yahweh is the Name of God in the Hebrew Scriptures, the Bible. What is particularly interesting and significant is the fact that Yahweh never appears as the name of of any deity outside the Bible. There is no record anywhere of any other tribe or religion which worhipped Yahweh. The Hebrew Name of God is unique to the Bible and its chosen people. From this alone we may deduce that the Name “Yahweh” was not borrowed from some other culture or religion. It emerged unquely within the Bible revelation. It is claimed by Muslims that Allah is the God of the Bible and that he is mentioned in the sacred texts. This is absolutely not true. The name “Allah” does not appear once in either the Old or New Testaments. The only time God is referred to by name in the Old Testament is either as YAHWEH (meaning “He (who) is”) or as a contraction, YAH. [Please note that the name “Jehovah” is not a biblical name of God but was especially 'created' by Jews afraid to pronounce the Sacred Name by combining the consonants YHWH with the vowels from adonai, meaning “Lord”]. The word alah does exist in Hebrew but it is not a proper name and it never refers to God. It has three principal meanings: (a) to curse, swear, or adjure; (b) to lament (weep); and © to arise, ascend, climb, go away, leap, etc.. It is an indisputable fact that ALLAH does not appear even once as the Name of God, or even of a man, in the Hebrew Scriptures. There is no word 'alah' or 'allah' in the Greek New Testament at all. It was, quite simply, unknown in the Bible world. To therefore claim that 'Allah' was the name of God in the Bible is without one single shred of evidence. God has always been known as Yahweh, or (much less frequently) by the contraction Yah. Muslim scholars have gone to great lengths to try and prove that the Arabic “Allah” is, in fact, the same as the Hebrew “Eloah”, which is not a proper name and simply translates as “God”. The words “El” and “Elohim” also translate the same way, appear far more numerously than Eloah, and may be used to designate either the true God, pagan deities, idols, or even human judges. It is for this reason that I have heard Muslim apologists get annoyed when other Muslins talk about “God” instead of “Allah” because the word “God” can be applied to any religion's god. They recognise that Allah is a proper name which distinguishes the God of the Muslims from the God of the Jews and Christians, or the gods of the Hindus and others. “Eloah” is, in any case, a derivative of “El” and its plural “Elohim” which doesn't remotely sound like “Allah”. You will not find many (if any) Muslims insisting that they worship the Hebrew Eloah – the only time they ever try to make a connection is when trying to recruit Jews and Christians to Islam. If I were confess that “Eloah” were my God and that Mohammed was his prophet I doubt any Muslim would believe I had converted to Islam! There is another El-derived word for “God” in the Old Testament which sounds similar to Allah and that is Elah. It is only used by the prophets Ezra, Daniel and once by Jeremiah. It is, again, not a proper name, and actually also means an “oak tree” and was thus also used by pagans as a title for their tree deities, i.e. idols. I doubt somehow that Muslims would wish their Allah to be associated with an idol. Even if the Muslim scholars were right about “Eloah” (which the evidence strongly repudiates) we would then be faced with the problem that God has two proper names – Yahweh and Eloah/Allah – which contradicts God's own testimony in the Old Testament that He is only known as Yahweh. The Name Yahweh is enshrined in the Third Commandment: Thou shalt not take the Name of Yahweh () thy Elohim [God] in vain” (Ex.20:7) The word “vain” is the Hebrew shoaw, meaning “to rush over, to bring devastation, uselessness, or ruin”. In other words, this is THE Sacred Name above all names. This Name is not to be blasphemed (Lev.24:16) or desicrated. It is to be treated with reverential awe because it is the essence of the True God Himself. The Catholics and most Protestants have blasphemed this Name by changing it to “Jehovah” which translated “God is perverse” by mutilating it (as described above). There is even a whole church called the “Jehovah's Witnesses” which uses this disgusting name. The Bible teaches from cover to cover that the true Name of God, Yahweh, is essential to salvation. It is mentioned right at the beginning of the Bible and is used througout. Yahweh is the creator “who made the earth and the heavens” (Gen.2:4). One thing most Muslims and Christians are ignorant of is that the Name of the True God appears within the Name of Jesus. Most Christians are rather embarrassed to learn that “Jesus” isn't the real Name of Christ at all. If you had asked someone in New Testament times who “Jesus” was, nobody would have known. If you had asked Mary (Miryam) is she had a son called “Jesus” she would have stared at you blankly. The son of Mary was not called “Jesus” but Yah'shua (). Jesus is a Greek word. The letter “J” doesn't even exist in Hebrew. Yet the angel Gabriel told Mary/Miriyam that the Messiah's Name, which was given by Almighty God Himself, was of special significance. It has a precise meaning of prophetic importance. Gabriel said that He would receive this Name because “He shall save His people from their sins”. Every Hebrew scholar will tell you that the Name given through Gabriel was Y'SHUA or YAH'SHUA. Literally translated this means, “YAH saves” – and you will remember that Yah is a contraction of Yahweh. You see, God's true Name was even preserved in the Name of the Messiah because it is YAH / Yahweh – who saves. The Name of “Jesus” was “YAHWEH SAVES”. The Scriptures are therefore consistent not only in preserving the true Name of God, Yahweh, throughout, but in placing the Sacred Name in the Messiah as well. This is no accident of of immense prophetic significance. There are now millions of believers who now no longer use the perverse name “Jehovah” and who use the correct name of Jesus, Yah'shua, in order to be true to the Scriptures. I am one of them. Christians have been guilty of obscuring the truth by adopting perverted or Hellenised Names of Deity. What has this to do with our discussion of Allah? The reason I have spent so much time underscoring the Biblical Name of God is to show clearly and finally that it has been known as Yahweh since the beginning of time. And whilst there are certain superficial similarities in sound to the Arabic “Allah” the meaning and historical origin is quite, quite different. B. Origin of the Name Allah The word “Allah” comes from the compound Arabic word, al-ilah. Al is the definite article “the” and ilah is an Arabic word for “god”, i.e. the god. We see immediately that (a) this is not a proper name but a generic name rather like the Hebrew El (which as we have seen was used of any deity; and (b) that Allah is not a foreign word (as it would have been if it had been borrowed from the Hebrew Bible) but a purely Arabic one. It would also be wrong to compare “Alla h” with the Hebrew or Greek for God (El and Theos, respectively), because “Allah” is purely an Arabic term used exclusively in reference to an Arabic deity. The Encyclopedia of Religion says: “'Allah' is a pre-Islamic name … corresponding to the Baylonian Bel” (ed. James Hastings, Edinburgh, T. & T. Clark, 1908, I:326). I know that Muslims will find this hard to believe so I am now going to make many citations and present the archaeological evidence to prove conclusively that is true. Though this data will be painful for many of our readers, it is necessary to face the truth. Facts are facts, and unless you are willing to desert all logic, reason and common sense, and the evidence of your eyes, they must be faced. “Allah is found … in Arabic inscriptions prior to Islam” (Encyclopedia Britannica, I:643) “The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called allah” (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Houtsma, Arnold, Basset, Hartman; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1913, I:302) “Allah was known to the pre-Islamic Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities” (Encyclopedia of Islam, ed. Gibb, I:406) Now I will let the Bible Speak: Exodus 6:3 and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. Did you get that everyone before MOSES has never heard that name nor was God known by that name, why didn't your source reveal that? Exodus 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. Were ye witnesses when death appeared before Jacob? Behold, he said to his sons: “What will ye worship after me?” they said: “We shall worship Thy God and the God of thy fathers, of Abraham, Isma'il and Isaac,- the one (True) Allah: To Him we bow (in Islam).”

bod

you still do not get it right

the Quran does not teach the God of the Jews and the God of his son Christ ,it is only the Muslims that says that their is a relation in the Quran to the God of the Jews ,but in reality their is NONE,no real foundation,to it

like I told you in another topic ;it does not matter how many pieces of scriptures you putting together it will not end up in the truth of God Jehovah the true God of the Jews and of any Christ true followers ,

[Proclaimer]

There is a difference. If you are a Muslim, then you are under the influence of a false prophet and anti-christ. You believe another Jesus, one who is not the son of God.

Jesus existed in the form of God, emptied himself, came in the flesh, served God, died for humanities sins, rose from the dead, and was exalted to the highest place in the glory that he had with the Father before the world began.

This is the gospel. Your gospel is another and we have been warned to stay away from those who preach another gospel.

You cannot deceive us with the Muslim gospel bod. Your wasting your time. You have about as much chance of getting me to believe your gospel as me joining the Vatican.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 08 2013,14:32)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 08 2013,07:29) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 08 2013,11:49) 1. The True Origin of 'Allah': The Archaeological Record Speaks A. The Name of God in the Bible The God of the Old Testament is known as YHWH ()or, when pointed with the correct vowels, Yahweh. This translates as “The Self-Existent One”, being derived from the Hebrew háwáh, meaning “to exist”. As Allah is the name of God on the Muslim Holy Scriptures, the Koran (or Quran), so Yahweh is the Name of God in the Hebrew Scriptures, the Bible. What is particularly interesting and significant is the fact that Yahweh never appears as the name of of any deity outside the Bible. There is no record anywhere of any other tribe or religion which worhipped Yahweh. The Hebrew Name of God is unique to the Bible and its chosen people. From this alone we may deduce that the Name “Yahweh” was not borrowed from some other culture or religion. It emerged unquely within the Bible revelation. It is claimed by Muslims that Allah is the God of the Bible and that he is mentioned in the sacred texts. This is absolutely not true. The name “Allah” does not appear once in either the Old or New Testaments. The only time God is referred to by name in the Old Testament is either as YAHWEH (meaning “He (who) is”) or as a contraction, YAH. [Please note that the name “Jehovah” is not a biblical name of God but was especially 'created' by Jews afraid to pronounce the Sacred Name by combining the consonants YHWH with the vowels from adonai, meaning “Lord”]. The word alah does exist in Hebrew but it is not a proper name and it never refers to God. It has three principal meanings: (a) to curse, swear, or adjure; (b) to lament (weep); and © to arise, ascend, climb, go away, leap, etc.. It is an indisputable fact that ALLAH does not appear even once as the Name of God, or even of a man, in the Hebrew Scriptures. There is no word 'alah' or 'allah' in the Greek New Testament at all. It was, quite simply, unknown in the Bible world. To therefore claim that 'Allah' was the name of God in the Bible is without one single shred of evidence. God has always been known as Yahweh, or (much less frequently) by the contraction Yah. Muslim scholars have gone to great lengths to try and prove that the Arabic “Allah” is, in fact, the same as the Hebrew “Eloah”, which is not a proper name and simply translates as “God”. The words “El” and “Elohim” also translate the same way, appear far more numerously than Eloah, and may be used to designate either the true God, pagan deities, idols, or even human judges. It is for this reason that I have heard Muslim apologists get annoyed when other Muslins talk about “God” instead of “Allah” because the word “God” can be applied to any religion's god. They recognise that Allah is a proper name which distinguishes the God of the Muslims from the God of the Jews and Christians, or the gods of the Hindus and others. “Eloah” is, in any case, a derivative of “El” and its plural “Elohim” which doesn't remotely sound like “Allah”. You will not find many (if any) Muslims insisting that they worship the Hebrew Eloah – the only time they ever try to make a connection is when trying to recruit Jews and Christians to Islam. If I were confess that “Eloah” were my God and that Mohammed was his prophet I doubt any Muslim would believe I had converted to Islam! There is another El-derived word for “God” in the Old Testament which sounds similar to Allah and that is Elah. It is only used by the prophets Ezra, Daniel and once by Jeremiah. It is, again, not a proper name, and actually also means an “oak tree” and was thus also used by pagans as a title for their tree deities, i.e. idols. I doubt somehow that Muslims would wish their Allah to be associated with an idol. Even if the Muslim scholars were right about “Eloah” (which the evidence strongly repudiates) we would then be faced with the problem that God has two proper names – Yahweh and Eloah/Allah – which contradicts God's own testimony in the Old Testament that He is only known as Yahweh. The Name Yahweh is enshrined in the Third Commandment: Thou shalt not take the Name of Yahweh () thy Elohim [God] in vain” (Ex.20:7) The word “vain” is the Hebrew shoaw, meaning “to rush over, to bring devastation, uselessness, or ruin”. In other words, this is THE Sacred Name above all names. This Name is not to be blasphemed (Lev.24:16) or desicrated. It is to be treated with reverential awe because it is the essence of the True God Himself. The Catholics and most Protestants have blasphemed this Name by changing it to “Jehovah” which translated “God is perverse” by mutilating it (as described above). There is even a whole church called the “Jehovah's Witnesses” which uses this disgusting name. The Bible teaches from cover to cover that the true Name of God, Yahweh, is essential to salvation. It is mentioned right at the beginning of the Bible and is used througout. Yahweh is the creator “who made the earth and the heavens” (Gen.2:4). One thing most Muslims and Christians are ignorant of is that the Name of the True God appears within the Name of Jesus. Most Christians are rather embarrassed to learn that “Jesus” isn't the real Name of Christ at all. If you had asked someone in New Testament times who “Jesus” was, nobody would have known. If you had asked Mary (Miryam) is she had a son called “Jesus” she would have stared at you blankly. The son of Mary was not called “Jesus” but Yah'shua (). Jesus is a Greek word. The letter “J” doesn't even exist in Hebrew. Yet the angel Gabriel told Mary/Miriyam that the Messiah's Name, which was given by Almighty God Himself, was of special significance. It has a precise meaning of prophetic importance. Gabriel said that He would receive this Name because “He shall save His people from their sins”. Every Hebrew scholar will tell you that the Name given through Gabriel was Y'SHUA or YAH'SHUA. Literally translated this means, “YAH saves” – and you will remember that Yah is a contraction of Yahweh. You see, God's true Name was even preserved in the Name of the Messiah because it is YAH / Yahweh – who saves. The Name of “Jesus” was “YAHWEH SAVES”. The Scriptures are therefore consistent not only in preserving the true Name of God, Yahweh, throughout, but in placing the Sacred Name in the Messiah as well. This is no accident of of immense prophetic significance. There are now millions of believers who now no longer use the perverse name “Jehovah” and who use the correct name of Jesus, Yah'shua, in order to be true to the Scriptures. I am one of them. Christians have been guilty of obscuring the truth by adopting perverted or Hellenised Names of Deity. What has this to do with our discussion of Allah? The reason I have spent so much time underscoring the Biblical Name of God is to show clearly and finally that it has been known as Yahweh since the beginning of time. And whilst there are certain superficial similarities in sound to the Arabic “Allah” the meaning and historical origin is quite, quite different. B. Origin of the Name Allah The word “Allah” comes from the compound Arabic word, al-ilah. Al is the definite article “the” and ilah is an Arabic word for “god”, i.e. the god. We see immediately that (a) this is not a proper name but a generic name rather like the Hebre w El (which as we have seen was used of any deity; and (b) that Allah is not a foreign word (as it would have been if it had been borrowed from the Hebrew Bible) but a purely Arabic one. It would also be wrong to compare “Allah” with the Hebrew or Greek for God (El and Theos, respectively), because “Allah” is purely an Arabic term used exclusively in reference to an Arabic deity. The Encyclopedia of Religion says: “'Allah' is a pre-Islamic name … corresponding to the Baylonian Bel” (ed. James Hastings, Edinburgh, T. & T. Clark, 1908, I:326). I know that Muslims will find this hard to believe so I am now going to make many citations and present the archaeological evidence to prove conclusively that is true. Though this data will be painful for many of our readers, it is necessary to face the truth. Facts are facts, and unless you are willing to desert all logic, reason and common sense, and the evidence of your eyes, they must be faced. “Allah is found … in Arabic inscriptions prior to Islam” (Encyclopedia Britannica, I:643) “The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called allah” (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Houtsma, Arnold, Basset, Hartman; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1913, I:302) “Allah was known to the pre-Islamic Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities” (Encyclopedia of Islam, ed. Gibb, I:406) Now I will let the Bible Speak: Exodus 6:3 and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. Did you get that everyone before MOSES has never heard that name nor was God known by that name, why didn't your source reveal that? Exodus 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. Were ye witnesses when death appeared before Jacob? Behold, he said to his sons: “What will ye worship after me?” they said: “We shall worship Thy God and the God of thy fathers, of Abraham, Isma'il and Isaac,- the one (True) Allah: To Him we bow (in Islam).” bod you still do not get it right the Quran does not teach the God of the Jews and the God of his son Christ ,it is only the Muslims that says that their is a relation in the Quran to the God of the Jews ,but in reality their is NONE,no real foundation,to it like I told you in another topic ;it does not matter how many pieces of scriptures you putting together it will not end up in the truth of God Jehovah the true God of the Jews and of any Christ true followers ,

How is it you keep avoiding ths verse:

Exodus 6:3
and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

That verse proves that you were wrong about peopl declaring the name Jehovah from th beginning can you please be honest and just admit that, if not then we have nothing to discuss because dishonesty is ungodly

[bodhitharta]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 08 2013,15:07)

There is a difference. If you are a Muslim, then you are under the influence of a false prophet and anti-christ. You believe another Jesus, one who is not the son of God. Jesus existed in the form of God, emptied himself, came in the flesh, served God, died for humanities sins, rose from the dead, and was exalted to the highest place in the glory that he had with the Father before the world began. This is the gospel. Your gospel is another and we have been warned to stay away from those who preach another gospel. You cannot deceive us with the Muslim gospel bod. Your wasting your time. You have about as much chance of getting me to believe your gospel as me joining the Vatican.

What false prophet? How do you declare Muhammad a false prophet?

Howcould any muslim be an anti-Christ whe Jesus is confirmed as Christ in the Quran?

The Quran declares that Jesus was a spirit that proceeded from God and a WORD bestowed on Mary, That he is the messiah.

You cannot show me anywhere where it says in the OT that the Messiah was to come and die for the sins of the world and the NT makes statements that this was going to occur but these statement were presumptous because if they were fate/destiny Jesus would not have prayed for deliverance.

You believe his prayers for deliverance fell upon deaf ears

Job 4:7
Remember, I pray thee, who ever perished, being innocent? or where were the righteous cut off?

You don't believe this!

Psalm 37:39
But the salvation of the righteous is of the Lord: he is their strength in the time of trouble.

You don't believe this!

Job 31:3
Is not destruction to the wicked? and a strange punishment to the workers of iniquity?

You don't believe this!

Psalm 91:8
You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked.

This is Islam but you don't believe this! You believe that not only was the innocent punished you celebrate it as your salvation. It is a very sick belief

Matthew 24:28
Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

[terraricca]

Bod

Here is your answer;

Did Adam knew God name as Jehovah

Not that I know it ,

If Abraham did not know God by the name Jehovah ,did Abraham knew the name of the offspring that will be saving men That also is not said ,right  is name was Jesus Christ ,

It is mainly understood that God as made men known him in a progresif way u till his son came and made him known as his father and our father ,

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 08 2013,17:40)

Bod Here is your answer; Did Adam knew God name as Jehovah Not that I know it , If Abraham did not know God by the name Jehovah ,did Abraham knew the name of the offspring that will be saving men That also is not said ,right  is name was Jesus Christ , It is mainly understood that God as made men known him in a progresif way u till his son came and made him known as his father and our father ,

Of course you know Adam did not know the name Exodus 3:6 declares that the name was NOT KNOWN before MOSES

You say “progressive” but you seem to think God stopped being progressive after Jesus Christ and yet revelations says after Christ there will be a time when the mystery of God shall be finished and this was not during the time of Jesus

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 08 2013,16:42)

(1)What false prophet? How do you declare Muhammad a false prophet? (2)Howcould any muslim be an anti-Christ whe Jesus is confirmed as Christ in the Quran?

Hi BD,

2) “Messiah” or “Christ” means  GOD's anointed Leader.
    Jesus Christ is not the anointed leader of the muslims,
    their anointed leader is the false prophet Muhammad.

1) Muhammad is the false prophet of Rev, have you never
    read what “GOD”(YHVH) says about YOUR false prophet?

Ed (witness)

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2013,00:28)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 08 2013,16:42) (1)What false prophet? How do you declare Muhammad a false prophet? (2)Howcould any muslim be an anti-Christ whe Jesus is confirmed as Christ in the Quran? Hi BD, 2) “Messiah” or “Christ” means  GOD's anointed Leader.     Jesus Christ is not the anointed leader of the muslims,     their anointed leader is the false prophet Muhammad. 1) Muhammad is the false prophet of Rev, have you never     read what “GOD”(YHVH) says about YOUR false prophet? Ed (witness)

Jesus was the Messiah of th Jews this he said:

Matthew 15:24
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

When those in power rejected him you then later have this happen

Acts 13:46
Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles.

I consider you to be very intelligent but what I don't understand is how very intelligent people need to remain locked in a viewpoint even when it is clear that it is incorrect or at the very least lacking.

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 09 2013,01:29)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2013,00:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 08 2013,16:42) (1)What false prophet? How do you declare Muhammad a false prophet? (2)Howcould any muslim be an anti-Christ whe Jesus is confirmed as Christ in the Quran? Hi BD, 2) “Messiah” or “Christ” means  GOD's anointed Leader.     Jesus Christ is not the anointed leader of the muslims,     their anointed leader is the false prophet Muhammad. 1) Muhammad is the false prophet of Rev, have you never     read what “GOD”(YHVH) says about YOUR false prophet? Ed (witness) Jesus was the Messiah of th Jews this he said: Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” When those in power rejected him you then later have this happen Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles. I consider you to be very intelligent but what I don't understand is how very intelligent people need to remain locked in a viewpoint even when it is clear that it is incorrect or at the very least lacking.

Hi BD,

There you go again trying to ignore the whole of Scripture in order to bolster the 'book of fraud' by the false prophet Muhammad.   (It won't work BD)

“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel:
 I will also give thee(Jesus/Isa) for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.” (Isa 49:6)

Islam denies the rising of Isa's resurrection,  the false prophet Muhammad won't let his followers come to the light.

“The Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness OF THY RISING.” (Isa 60:3)

Ed (witness)

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 09 2013,01:29)

I consider you to be very intelligent

Thank you!

Then why don't you at least consider what I say?

Ed (witness)

[Proclaimer]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 08 2013,19:42)

What false prophet? How do you declare Muhammad a false prophet?

Are you not aware that those who deny the son of God are antichrist?

[Proclaimer]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 09 2013,04:29)

I consider you to be very intelligent but what I don't understand is how very intelligent people need to remain locked in a viewpoint even when it is clear that it is incorrect or at the very least lacking.

When a person follows a false prophet and the words of that prophet override scripture, then that is one sure way that this can happen.

[terraricca]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 08 2013,13:13)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 08 2013,17:40) Bod Here is your answer; Did Adam knew God name as Jehovah Not that I know it , If Abraham did not know God by the name Jehovah ,did Abraham knew the name of the offspring that will be saving men That also is not said ,right  is name was Jesus Christ , It is mainly understood that God as made men known him in a progresif way u till his son came and made him known as his father and our father , Of course you know Adam did not know the name Exodus 3:6 declares that the name was NOT KNOWN before MOSES You say “progressive” but you seem to think God stopped being progressive after Jesus Christ and yet revelations says after Christ there will be a time when the mystery of God shall be finished and this was not during the time of Jesus

bod

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and yet revelations says after Christ there will be a time when the mystery of God shall be finished and this was not during the time of Jesus

what scipture do you have in mind

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2013,02:36)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 09 2013,01:29) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2013,00:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 08 2013,16:42) (1)What false prophet? How do you declare Muhammad a false prophet? (2)Howcould any muslim be an anti-Christ whe Jesus is confirmed as Christ in the Quran? Hi BD, 2) “Messiah” or “Christ” means  GOD's anointed Leader.     Jesus Christ is not the anointed leader of the muslims,     their anointed leader is the false prophet Muhammad. 1) Muhammad is the false prophet of Rev, have you never     read what “GOD”(YHVH) says about YOUR false prophet? Ed (witness) Jesus was the Messiah of th Jews this he said: Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” When those in power rejected him you then later have this happen Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles. I consider you to be very intelligent but what I don't understand is how very intelligent people need to remain locked in a viewpoint even when it is clear that it is incorrect or at the very least lacking. Hi BD, There you go again trying to ignore the whole of Scripture in order to bolster the 'book of fraud' by the false prophet Muhammad.   (It won't work BD) “And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel:  I will also give thee(Jesus/Isa) for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.” (Isa 49:6) Islam denies the rising of Isa's resurrection,  the false prophet Muhammad won't let his followers come to the light. “The Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness OF THY RISING.” (Isa 60:3) Ed (witness)

Jesus has become a light to the gentiles but that was not who he says he was sent to.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 09 2013,10:45)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 08 2013,13:13) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 08 2013,17:40) Bod Here is your answer; Did Adam knew God name as Jehovah Not that I know it , If Abraham did not know God by the name Jehovah ,did Abraham knew the name of the offspring that will be saving men That also is not said ,right  is name was Jesus Christ , It is mainly understood that God as made men known him in a progresif way u till his son came and made him known as his father and our father , Of course you know Adam did not know the name Exodus 3:6 declares that the name was NOT KNOWN before MOSES You say “progressive” but you seem to think God stopped being progressive after Jesus Christ and yet revelations says after Christ there will be a time when the mystery of God shall be finished and this was not during the time of Jesus bod Quote and yet revelations says after Christ there will be a time when the mystery of God shall be finished and this was not during the time of Jesus what scipture do you have in mind

Revelation 10:7
But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

[terraricca]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 09 2013,08:36)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 09 2013,10:45) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 08 2013,13:13) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 08 2013,17:40) Bod Here is your answer; Did Adam knew God name as Jehovah Not that I know it , If Abraham did not know God by the name Jehovah ,did Abraham knew the name of the offspring that will be saving men That also is not said ,right  is name was Jesus Christ , It is mainly understood that God as made men known him in a progresif way u till his son came and made him known as his father and our father , Of course you know Adam did not know the name Exodus 3:6 declares that the name was NOT KNOWN before MOSES You say “progressive” but you seem to think God stopped being progressive after Jesus Christ and yet revelations says after Christ there will be a time when the mystery of God shall be finished and this was not during the time of Jesus bod Quote and yet revelations says after Christ there will be a time when the mystery of God shall be finished and this was not during the time of Jesus what scipture do you have in mind Revelation 10:7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

bod

but that scripture is related to the past ,from the time it was written ,

the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

first it says ;the mystery of God will be accomplished,

secondly says ;just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

SO THE FIRST IS THE RESULT OF THE SECOND RIGHT THAT IS WHAT IT MEANS ;

SO WE ALL KNOW THAT MUHAMMAD IS NOT A PROPHET OF THE GOD OF THE JEWS AND SO HE CAN NOT BE RELATED TO ONE OF HIS PROPHETS THAT PRIOR TO JOHN WRITING THE BOOK OF REVELATION ,BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT REVELATION IS THE LAST BOOK THROUGH ONE OF CHRIST DISCIPLE AND SO A GOD SERVANT ,AND THAT MUHAMMAD ONLY SHOWS UP IN 638 AD OR SO ,RIGHT YES

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 08 2013,19:42) What false prophet? How do you declare Muhammad a false prophet? Are you not aware that those who deny the son of God are antichrist?

T8 you would hav to deny Jesus is The Christ to be ANTI-CHRIST.

You are not denying Jesus when you deny the term “son” because as Muslims rightfully say Jesus is the Son of Mary so we could not be denying him. Jesus says he was sent out from God so he was a spirit who proceeded from God and a Creation of God.

It is very important to distinguish between flesh and Spirit. Mary was flesh and she had a Male child which is her son. God sent forth a created Spirit a Word from Him bestowed upon Mary. God did not interact with Mary like people do to have a child together.

To you God and Mary had a baby together the are the parents of Jesus

To me God created Jesus wth a command and he was born through Mary.God is the Creator and Mary is the Parent

That is hardly any type of denial of Christ Jesus. Jesus never claims he was always a son of God infact the scriptures say:

Hebrews 5:5
So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

So from here you see this title is on of respect and not literal otherwise you haveto count all those called the sons of God as literal because he certainly was not the first

Luke 3:38
which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

But you won't believe!

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 09 2013,13:50)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 09 2013,08:36) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 09 2013,10:45) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 08 2013,13:13) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 08 2013,17:40) Bod Here is your answer; Did Adam knew God name as Jehovah Not that I know it , If Abraham did not know God by the name Jehovah ,did Abraham knew the name of the offspring that will be saving men That also is not said ,right  is name was Jesus Christ , It is mainly understood that God as made men known him in a progresif way u till his son came and made him known as his father and our father , Of course you know Adam did not know the name Exodus 3:6 declares that the name was NOT KNOWN before MOSES You say “progressive” but you seem to think God stopped being progressive after Jesus Christ and yet revelations says after Christ there will be a time when the mystery of God shall be finished and this was not during the time of Jesus bod Quote and yet revelations says after Christ there will be a time when the mystery of God shall be finished and this was not during the time of Jesus what scipture do you have in mind Revelation 10:7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.” bod but that scripture is related to the past ,from the time it was written , the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.” first it says ;the mystery of God will be accomplished, secondly says ;just as he announced to his servants the prophets.” SO THE FIRST IS THE RESULT OF THE SECOND RIGHT THAT IS WHAT IT MEANS ; SO WE ALL KNOW THAT MUHAMMAD IS NOT A PROPHET OF THE GOD OF THE JEWS AND SO HE CAN NOT BE RELATED TO ONE OF HIS PROPHETS THAT PRIOR TO JOHN WRITING THE BOOK OF REVELATION ,BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT REVELATION IS THE LAST BOOK  THROUGH ONE OF CHRIST DISCIPLE AND SO A GOD SERVANT ,AND THAT MUHAMMAD ONLY SHOWS UP IN 638 AD OR SO ,RIGHT YES

I revelation was to be the last book then why in the book of revelation it says:

Isaiah 29:11
And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

Daniel 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Revelation 10

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

10 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: 2 and he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, 3 and cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. 4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. 5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, 6 and sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: 7 but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. 9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. 10 And I took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. 11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 09 2013,13:35)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2013,02:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 09 2013,01:29) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2013,00:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 08 2013,16:42) (1)What false prophet? How do you declare Muhammad a false prophet? (2)Howcould any muslim be an anti-Christ whe Jesus is confirmed as Christ in the Quran? Hi BD, 2) “Messiah” or “Christ” means  GOD's anointed Leader.     Jesus Christ is not the anointed leader of the muslims,     their anointed leader is the false prophet Muhammad. 1) Muhammad is the false prophet of Rev, have you never     read what “GOD”(YHVH) says about YOUR false prophet? Ed (witness) Jesus was the Messiah of th Jews this he said: Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” When those in power rejected him you then later have this happen Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles. I consider you to be very intelligent but what I don't understand is how very intelligent people need to remain locked in a viewpoint even when it is clear that it is incorrect or at the very least lacking. Hi BD, There you go again trying to ignore the whole of Scripture in order to bolster the 'book of fraud' by the false prophet Muhammad.   (It won't work BD) “And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel:  I will also give thee(Jesus/Isa) for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.” (Isa 49:6) Islam denies the rising of Isa's resurrection,  the false prophet Muhammad won't let his followers come to the light. “The Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness OF THY RISING.” (Isa 60:3) Ed (witness) Jesus has become a light to the gentiles but that was not who he says he was sent to.

Hi BD,

Are you also conveniently forgetting about Jesus being “GOD's salvation unto the end of the earth”?

“He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2)

Ed (witness)

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 09 2013,13:52)

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 09 2013,10:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 08 2013,19:42) What false prophet? How do you declare Muhammad a false prophet? Are you not aware that those who deny the son of God are antichrist? T8 you would hav to deny Jesus is The Christ to be ANTI-CHRIST.

Hi BD,

NO, you would have to deny Jesus is the “Son of God” to be 'antichrist';
which is precisely what muslims are taught to be. (see 1John 2:22)

Ed (witness)

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