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Whew, I'm dizzy. Around and around we go, don't we?
I enjoy it though, and I thank you for taking time out of your life to carry this conversation on with me.Same body as JTB, and yet you want to believe he wasn't brought into the world the same way as JTB. Well, I suppose we hang on to what we are convinced of. Your theology requires a bit of a leap for me – to go beyond what is simply written. So far, I have not been able to connect the dots. I'm trying though.
As I head to bed, I am still convinced that the Father brought his Son into the world just as any other son is brough into the world. Because God is not a man, the conception was a bit of a miracle
but everything else was status quo. The birth of Jesus resulted from the combination of Mary and God's holy Spirit (which is who/what God is). Jesus is a true and legitimate Son. I do not deny that God's Son came in the flesh. He was conceived and born, and because we were not given new definitions to these terms, I believe them as they are written. It is this Jesus that I follow.Thanks for talking with me today, Nick. God bless you and your dear family.
Goodnight!Hi not3,
Was JTB an ordinary man empowered by God?
Scripture says something about him not said about even the Christ.
He was filled with the Spirit from his mother's womb.
Surely he would be another god/man for you?Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 17 2007,09:24) Hi not3,
Was JTB an ordinary man empowered by God?
Scripture says something about him not said about even the Christ.
He was filled with the Spirit from his mother's womb.
Surely he would be another god/man for you?
Was JTB born without sin?Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 17 2007,09:24) Hi not3,
Was JTB an ordinary man empowered by God?
Scripture says something about him not said about even the Christ.
He was filled with the Spirit from his mother's womb.
Surely he would be another god/man for you?
Was JTB conceived by God's holy Spirit? If so, then the answer to your last question would a resounding YES!Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 17 2007,13:03) Hi not3,
Adam was created of the breath of God.
Did that give him a head start?
A “head start”? I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I'm thinking no.Hi not3,
You give mystical sigmnificance to being conceived of the Spirit.
yet the result was
a man.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 17 2007,18:50) Hi not3,
You give mystical sigmnificance to being conceived of the Spirit.
yet the result was
a man.
Nick, I'm not a Doctor (but I know someone who is) What I know and have shared about conception is far from the mystic, in fact, it happens every day to countless women. Conception is conception.It is you who refuses to believe God can truly father a son (in the way you have fathered a son). This seems to be out of the question for you. Why? Why believe the more mystic idea of a “spirit son who preexisted”? Which theory sounds more mystic to you? A.) True conception or B.) Preexistent spirit son? Hmmmm? I say this with respect to you, of course.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 16 2007,18:54) Quote (Not3in1 @ July 16 2007,18:48) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 16 2007,18:41) Hi not3,
God prepared a body for Christ.
What God calls conception is conception and the lack is in us.
OK.How did God “prepare” this body? What are your thoughts on that.
A body prepared for me…….. What does this mean?
We know what kind of body Jesus had; he ate, slept, bled and died. Jesus was woven in the womb for the required 9 months and then given birth. Is this a *different type* of “body that was prepared” for him? I wonder? Was his body different than that of JTB?
“…..the lack is in us.” Nick, this answer sounds to me like that of the Trinitarians when they say, “It's a mystery” or when they say, “Greater minds than ours….” Surely words and examples mean something?
Hi not3,
Of course his body and JTB's bodies were just like ours.
He also got tired and slept in the boat.
You say that Jesus' body is just like ours.I was conceived in my mother's womb and I am a combination of both parents. JTB was the same. Now how about Jesus? Are you willing to still say he has the same body like ours?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 17 2007,18:57) Hi Not3,
God provided a body for the Son
and that is what he called conception.
Where did God change the meaning of conception to just “providing a body”?Scripture please?
Hi not3,
Hebrews 10:5
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 17 2007,19:07) Hi not3,
Hebrews 10:5
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Yes, thank you, I know of the scripture you allude to – but where does this change the meaning of conception? It does not.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 17 2007,19:18) Hi Not3,
God said he was conceived so your problem is to align these facts.
I don't have a problem with the fact that Jesus was truly conceived.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 17 2007,22:13) Hi not3,
Then please expound Heb 10.5 for us. Thanks
I don't know how qualified I am to expound on scripture, but I can give you my understanding.Before Christ came, there were sacrifices for sin (lambs, doves, grain). God was no longer pleased with that method.
Enter…….his glorious Son!
No more sacrifices for sin were needed. Jesus would become the supreme sacrifice ONCE and for all.
Hi not3
Hebrews 10:5
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:So what about preparing the body?
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