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It is so simple, every empire out of the 7 heads of the beast of revelations stands for an Empire.
There is only ONE rule for an Empire to make this list of 7…..EVERY Empire played a direct role in Gods plan FOR Israel.
It is that simple.If An Empire does not fit this simple rule, then it is cancelled out of contention as one of the heads.
I won't bore you with a list explaining the various 7 Empires relation to Israels fortunes, since most Christians across the board AGREE with 6 of the Empires already….it is the 7th Empire many disagree on.
Many say it is the Ottoman Empire.
I have only just realised after all this time the most obvious reason WHY the Ottoman Empire plainly can NOT be one of the 7.
And it is so simple, I wonder how I never thought of it before…and once you see it, there should be no doubt in your minds either that the Ottoman Empire can NEVER again be considered one of the 7 heads of the beast!!
Ready….
There was no such thing as Israel when the Ottomans ruled!!
The land was desolate with NO JEWS…no city…no people for any Empire to influence nor affect the future fortunes of a people that were not there to begin with!!
The land was EMPTY!!This being the case, HOW can the Ottoman Empire fulfil the ONE simple rule to take its place amongst the 7?
Answer: It can not.
But there is an Empire who DID meet the requirements of entry into that list of 7…
And this Empire played a HUGE role.
This Empire not only gave Israel her land back (God of course working through her), but also provided ships and all manner of aid to assist those Jews returning to their homeland!!
Not only that, this Empire with the help of many of her allies also provided all manner of provisions to not only ensure those returning Jews had means of shelter and food and boots on ground assistance to enable their survival in an otherwise desolate land with the rebuilding effort…but soldiers (troops) also to provide protection!!Is this not a critical condition of entry to that list of 7….met!!
A role very similar to Persia's role of permitting the Jews back to their land?
I contend that it is.
How could one honestly argue otherwise?
No Jews, no Israel, no possibility for the Ottomans to influence her…
And the only Empire that was in a position to play a role in Israel's fortunes, the one Empire to fulfil Gods will in the land by bringing the nation of Israel once again into being….The British Empire!!
Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 22 2012,03:07) I have only just realised after all this time the most obvious reason WHY the Ottoman Empire plainly can NOT be one of the 7. And it is so simple, I wonder how I never thought of it before…and once you see it, there should be no doubt in your minds either that the Ottoman Empire can NEVER again be considered one of the 7 heads of the beast!!
Ready….
There was no such thing as Israel when the Ottomans ruled!!
Hi Devolution,And this disqualifies The Ottoman Empire from being the seventh empire exactly how… ?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEdJ.
The ottoman empire was an empire,but not in Gods book.
And so was the ming dynasty,not included.
Only the empires that has its roots from Egypt to Rome.wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,03:28) Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 22 2012,03:07) I have only just realised after all this time the most obvious reason WHY the Ottoman Empire plainly can NOT be one of the 7. And it is so simple, I wonder how I never thought of it before…and once you see it, there should be no doubt in your minds either that the Ottoman Empire can NEVER again be considered one of the 7 heads of the beast!!
Ready….
There was no such thing as Israel when the Ottomans ruled!!
Hi Devolution,And this disqualifies The Ottoman Empire from being the seventh empire exactly how… ?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,The answer is in my post.
It's quite easy to follow bro.God bless.
Hi Devolution,
I don't see any explanation as to why? …will you please explain why?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Devolution,
All I see in your post is your opinions, do you have any evidence? …if so, what is it?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,14:41) Hi Devolution, All I see in your post is your opinions, do you have any evidence? …if so, what is it?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDj.The evidance you want is in the book of revelation.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
The book of revelation points to Muhammad being the false prophet of Rev.13:11-18.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 24 2012,00:42) Hi Wakeup, The book of revelation points to Muhammad being the false prophet of Rev.13:11-18.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.You will be waiting forever to see mohamad cast in the fire.
The false prophet will be of jewish blood.wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,14:41) Hi Devolution, All I see in your post is your opinions, do you have any evidence? …if so, what is it?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,The evidence is very clear!
Egypt : Israel grows/multiplies as a people in the womb of Egypt, eventually becoming slave labour in Egypt, and are freed by God.
Egypt played a direct role in Israel's fortunes.Assyria : used to punish Israel by God.
Assyria plays a direct role in Israel's fortunes.Babylon : used to punish Israel by God, Israel taken into captivity.
Babylon plays a direct role in Israel's fortunes.Media Persia : used by God to conquer Babylon, assumes authority over Israel from Babylon, allows Israel to begin rebuilding Jerusalem amongst strong opposition from various hostile factions.
Media Persia plays direct role over Israel's fortunes.Grecians : Conquer Media Persia, assumes authority over Israel, assures Israel's security.
Grecia plays direct role over Israel.Roman : Assumes authority over Israel, kills The Lord, destroys and scatters Israel as a nation, Israel NO MORE, the land fully DESOLATE, Israel ceases to be a nation.
See a pattern yet Ed?
That's 6 Empires who dealt directly in Israel's fortunes.
Every Empire used by God to bring about His will towards Israel…ALL OF THEM are linked with IsraelThat's SIX Empires so far Ed.
Now keeping in line with this OBVIOUS CLUE/THEME, who is the most obvious Empire to be the SEVENTH?Ottoman Empire : Absorbs most of Romes previous dominions, Israel is EMPTY, NO JEWS LEFT IN ABANDONED ISRAEL, land is barren wasteland.
Ottoman Empire has no effect at all on Israel's fortunes.OR :
British Empire : Ottomans defeated by the British Empire, Israel given back to the people by British Empire after nearly 2000 years of obscurity, assist in bringing the children of Israel into their land, helps with rebuilding, funding etc of Israel.
British Empire plays direct role in Israel's fortunes.Isn't it obvious Ed?
Isn't it logical which Empire continued the THEME that all SIX previous empires played?Is this just blind assumption?
Personal interpretation?
Or a logical observation of an Empire keeping in line with all 6 previous Empires affecting Israel?Again :
Ottoman Empire : No Israel, no effect on Israel which no longer existed.
British Empire : reinstates Israel and permits them to reclaim their land and rebuild just like the Media Persians did!!
I believe the obvious choice is British Empire = 7th beast keeping in line with all other examples…whereas the Ottoman Empire has no bearing whatsoever on Israel who didn't even exist anymore.
Here is just ONE example why British Empire is the 7th head of the beast.
The other example I have shown to you in past debates.Cheers.
Hi Devolution, not so.
It was the Crown that Authorized the King James Bible in 1603 by King James I.
A brief history
After the 10 Northern tribes separated from the 2 Southern tribes (Judah and Benjamin), by YHVH's orders.
The crown was taken over the Caucuses mountains, and was first settled in Europe in Scotland (Berkshire I think).
Later the crown moved to England, where the “United Kingdom” has been ruling from ever since. Brittan is considered Ephraim,
and the “United States” is considered Manasseh. Ephraim and Manasseh were the two sons of Joesph, where Jacob's blessings went.“And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing,
and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: That in blessing I will bless thee,
and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven,
and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.” (Gen 22:16-18)Who, I ask you, controls all the gates of our enemies?
(The Untied States and The United Kingdom)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 24 2012,19:20) Hi Devolution, not so. It was the Crown that Authorized the King James Bible in 1603 by King James I.
A brief history
After the 10 Northern tribes separated from the 2 Southern tribes (Judah and Benjamin), by YHVH's orders.
The crown was taken over the Caucuses mountains, and was first settled in Europe in Scotland (Berkshire I think).
Later the crown moved to England, where the “United Kingdom” has been ruling from ever since. Brittan is considered Ephraim,
and the “United States” is considered Manasseh. Ephraim and Manasseh were the two sons of Joesph, where Jacob's blessings went.“And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing,
and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: That in blessing I will bless thee,
and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven,
and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.” (Gen 22:16-18)Who, I ask you, controls all the gates of our enemies?
(The Untied States and The United Kingdom)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.??wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 24 2012,20:01) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 24 2012,19:20) Hi Devolution, not so. It was the Crown that Authorized the King James Bible in 1603 by King James I.
A brief history
After the 10 Northern tribes separated from the 2 Southern tribes (Judah and Benjamin), by YHVH's orders.
The crown was taken over the Caucuses mountains, and was first settled in Europe in Scotland (Berkshire I think).
Later the crown moved to England, where the “United Kingdom” has been ruling from ever since. Brittan is considered Ephraim,
and the “United States” is considered Manasseh. Ephraim and Manasseh were the two sons of Joesph, where Jacob's blessings went.“And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing,
and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: That in blessing I will bless thee,
and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven,
and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.” (Gen 22:16-18)Who, I ask you, controls all the gates of our enemies?
(The Untied States and The United Kingdom)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.??wakeup.
Wakeup.??Ed J.
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,17:39) Hi Devolution, I don't see any explanation as to why? …will you please explain why?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
If all the other beasts oppressed God's people, then why does one not match up with the rest. I think that is what you should be looking at.Although by then, God's people were the Church and there was direct conflict with the Church. Although, I am not too sure about that because Christendom was a political force. Did the Ottomans oppress God's people?
But yeah, that aside, all the others oppress Israel, even the future ones or the ones prophesied to happen later.
Just thinking out loud.
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 25 2012,20:01) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,17:39) Hi Devolution, I don't see any explanation as to why? …will you please explain why?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
If all the other beasts oppressed God's people, then why does one not match up with the rest. I think that is what you should be looking at.Although by then, God's people were the Church and there was direct conflict with the Church. Although, I am not too sure about that because Christendom was a political force. Did the Ottomans oppress God's people?
But yeah, that aside, all the others oppress Israel, even the future ones or the ones prophesied to happen later.
Just thinking out loud.
The last beast on earth will be the 8th.full stop:There is no 9th.The 8th is coming ,why so ? because we have *NO* kingdom as yet, with 10 HORNS ruling together as one.rev13.
This 8th beast will *EXIST* at the coming, and cast in the fire.The beast that come out of the earth is not a KINGDOM, but a *MAN*,he is the one with the MIRACLES,and that causes all to receive a MARK.(see rev19:20,the false prophet.).
This FALSE PROPHET when he comes up, will take over charge and rule over the 10 kings,and he will uproot 3 kings.
All this will happen at the END time.This empire is near future,because it will rule the world(the planet). and will be in EXISTENCE at the coming.
How can this ottoman beast be the last empire? It does not exist anymore. Its gone for 900yrs now.
You will say; its mohamadin islam. Now STOP for a moment;
is mohamadin islam ruling the PLANET at the moment?A big NO; are we being marked by islam at the moment,NO, can we not buy and sell at the moment? NO,NO,NO.
Is mohamadin islam classed as an empire? Or just a bunch of rebels? you decide. AN EMPIRE NEEDS AN EMPEROR,A KINGDOM NEEDS A KING RULING
WELL, WHERE IS HE,AND WHATS HIS NAME?wakeup.
I don't go with any theory as I see a few different theories that can fit the evidence.
As for the Islam Empire, they are waiting for the Mahdi which I have heard from at least one teacher, fits the bill as the Antichrist of the Bible.
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 25 2012,21:18) I don't go with any theory as I see a few different theories that can fit the evidence. As for the Islam Empire, they are waiting for the Mahdi which I have heard from at least one teacher, fits the bill as the Antichrist of the Bible.
And where is the islam empire?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 25 2012,21:26) Quote (t8 @ Oct. 25 2012,21:18) I don't go with any theory as I see a few different theories that can fit the evidence. As for the Islam Empire, they are waiting for the Mahdi which I have heard from at least one teacher, fits the bill as the Antichrist of the Bible.
And where is the islam empire?wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,And from whence is the islam empire? …From the Ottoman Empire.
The seven empires are:
1. Egypt
2. Assyria
3. Babylon
4. Medo-Persian
5. Greece
6. Roman …………… John's time
7. Ottoman Empire → → → 8. Muhammadin Islam“There are seven [kingdoms]: five are fallen, and one is, (see John's time)
and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must
continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even
he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.” (Rev 17:10-11)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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