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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2009,14:14) Hi BD,
So you claim to know more than those who lived with him till his death?
Nick,The Galatians did not see Jesus crucified, please stop! Just Stop! and listen to the word of God. The Holy Spirit will tell you but will you listen?
How could the Galatians have seen the crucifixion of Christ when Paul himself did not witness the crucifixion nor did he ever meet Jesus in the flesh.
If you love the scriptures understand that they are also for reproof and correction.
Hi BD,
You rely on the eyes and ears of men when the testimony of God is above all.
Why advertise for adherents of a false prophet?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2009,15:48) Hi BD,
You rely on the eyes and ears of men when the testimony of God is above all.
Why advertise for adherents of a false prophet?
Paul siad the galatians saw Christ crucified, it was not true. Do you defend a lie?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 04 2005,08:43) Hi,
Jesus said in Matt 12.39
“..An evil generation craves for a sign;and yet no sign shall be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet; for just as Jonah was three days in the belly of the sea monster, so shall the Son of man be three days in the heart of the earth”So Jonah says in Jon 2.2-6 that he went to the pit or to sheol.
Yet scripture says he was in the belly of the fish in Jon 1.1, the heart of the seas in Jon 2.3 and the roots of the mountains in Jon 2.6.
Does this mean that sheol is in the sea, or the pit in a sea monster?
Is scripture broken because of these inconsistencies? No
It is only possible to grasp this matter if it is said that Jonah died. The body of Jonah was in the sea monster [outer man] and the soul of Jonah[inner man], the being of Jonah went to sheol as dead men do.
The same with Jesus who did die and whose body lay in the tomb on the surface of the earth while his being was in the belly of the earth making proclamation to those in the bosom of Abraham.[1 Peter 3.18-20]
NickJonah wasn't dead, but to Jonah it was like being in the grave. That is what Jesus was telling that “evil” generation; he would be in his grave for three days and three nights.
Sheol/hell/grave, if you are buried at sea, then that is your hell/sheol/grave.
There was no outer or inner man of Jonah, it was Jonah, all of him that was in the belly of this great fish.
When Jesus died and was placed in the tomb he was dead, period, he did not wonder around anywhere. The scriptures you referred to in 1 Peter 3:18-20 have nothing to do with Jesus' death. Have you actually read verse 20? do you see what it says? referring to the spirits in prison, who were those spirits? “which sometimes were disobedient”; to whom is God referring too? while the “ark” was being build. Why was the ark build in the first place? because of the spirits that were disobedient. How were they disobedient? Jude 6 gives you the answer. The angels that kept not their first estate. How did they loose their first estate, heaven? by coming down to earth and marrying woman and having children with them, Gen. 6:4. They produced hybrids, they corrupted God's way, Gen. 6:12. That is why God destroyed the earth, that is why Noah build the ark.
I recommend reading the book of Enoch.Georg
Hi Georg,
So the dead bodies of Lazarus and the rich man and indeed Abraham were the ones speaking in Lk16?
Bodies rot.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,04:30) Hi TK,
Do bodies go to hades?
Hey Nick: Dead bodies don't go anywhere, their dead!(ha ha)
I don't know. We put dead bodies in the ground in graves.
If hades is a place where people put dead bodies then yes.Hi TK,
So the grave is not Hades.
Jesus described it in Lk16 unless you wish to challenge him.
Are those bodies we see there?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,08:07) Hi Georg,
So the dead bodies of Lazarus and the rich man and indeed Abraham were the ones speaking in Lk16?
Bodies rot.
NickYou can't be so naive as to think that that parable was for real, Jesus was making a point, and given a warning, nothing more.
Think about it, did Abraham, Lazarus and the rich man, not need a savior? How did they have their sins forgiven? If they were in heaven, why was Adam not there, after all, all he did was steel an apple.
Jesus was very much alive, and did he not say, nobody has ascended into heaven?
You have to not only pay attention what the scriptures say, but what they mean too.Georg
Hi Georg,
Heaven??The rich man could have found the mercy of God even without faith if he understood almsgiving.
Blessed are the mercifulQuote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,12:53) Hi Georg,
Heaven??The rich man could have found the mercy of God even without faith if he understood almsgiving.
Blessed are the merciful
NickDo you build your faith on “could have”?
Do you call Jesus' parables “fantasies”?
Georg
Hi Georg,
Language confusion.
He did not and you should know he taught from FACT-Wheat, seed, corn, bread, fish, figs,fields..So why would you put fantasies in the mouth of the truth?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,12:52) Hi Georg,
So it was all made up?
No parable is built on fantasy
NickDid you so soon forgot you said this?
By the way, you forgot sheep and goats.
You are such a master in getting of the subject.Georg
Hi Georg,
That is what you say but I believe Jesus spoke the truth.
He told us about souls in hades.
But few accept it.Quote (banana @ Nov. 25 2009,20:54) Nick God is not a respecter of person.
Give me a straight answer; what is a soul?Georg
The only semantic domain of the Biblical soul in the Old Testament is the Hebrew word nephesh (נֶפֶש), which literally means the “complete life of a being” though it is usually used in the sense of “living being” (breathing creature).Psyche is the equivalent New Testament Greek word from which the English word soul is only translated.
In the Greek Septuagint nephesh is mostly translated as psyche (ψυχή).
The New Testament follows the terminology of the Septuagint, and thus uses the word psyche with the Hebrew semantic domain and not the Greek, that is, an invisible power (or even more, for Platonists, immortal and immaterial) that gives life and motion to the body and is responsible for its attributes.
The concept common today of an immaterial soul separate from and surviving the body is not found in ancient Hebrew beliefs.
The word soul is translated only from the Hebrew word nephesh in the NIV Old Testament (nephesh appears 750 times in 683 verses) and only from psyche in the New testament (psyche appears 104 times in 95 verses).
Nephesh is also translated into 131 other English words and phrases in the NIV Old Testament:
PERSON / BEING — life, lives, as surely as live, alive, keep themselves alive, soul, souls, living soul, being, person, people, man, creatures, creature, spirit, body, breath, heart, hearts, heart's, hearts', lifeblood, mind, minds, thoughts, neck, throats, members.
PRONOUNS — all, another, anyone, everyone, he, herself, him, himself, I, me, my, myself, one, ourselves, she, someone, them, themselves, these, they, thing, those, us, we, you, yourself, yourselves.
FEELINGS — affection, appetite, appetites, craved, craving, desire, desires, discontented, earnest, earnestness, faint, feel, fierce, given to gluttony, greed, greedy man, hot_tempered, how it feels, hunger, hungry, in anguish, needs, pleased, relish, thirst, thirsty, wanted, weary, wished, wishes, zeal.
DEATH — breathe last, breathed her last, corpse, dead, dead body, death, die, dying, kill, kills, made a fatal mistake, mortal, murders, takes life, wait to kill, wanted to kill.
MISC — be a willing party, closest friend, completely, cost, counting on, courage, descendants, enemies, guilt of murder, his own, impatient, in all, its own, just what wanted, kidnapping, livelihood, long, member, none, perfume, personal vows, plunder, slave, slaves, stouthearted, that, the flock, threatened, willing.
Quote (banana @ Nov. 26 2009,15:54) Nick God is not a respecter of person.
Give me a straight answer; what is a soul?Georg
Hi Georg,
Sometimes called in scripture a spirit, which does confuse some, soul is the person, an aspect of a man of body, soul and spirit.[1Thess 5]The tent/body rots and the spirit returns to God Who gave it [ecc12] but it is the salvation of the soul that is the aim of the plan of God.[1 peter 1.9]
You are a soul, enlivened by spirit and living in flesh.
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