The seven trumpets

[NickHassan]

Georg,
Rev13
5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Yes this is another way the time period is expressed as God shows another aspect of this event. The tares must reveal themselves for the harvest to be complete

[Cindy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2009,04:57)

Georg, Rev13 5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. Yes this is another way the time period is expressed as God shows another aspect of this event. The tares must reveal themselves for the harvest to be complete

Nick

Who was given a mouth to speak great things and blasphemies? The Antichrist.
For how long? 3 and 1/2 years? The saints should have been so lucky; those 42 month, or 3 and 1/2 years = 1260 days, only in bible terms that is 1260 years.
Beginning in 565 AD til 1825; as I said before, the Vatican abolished torture in 1834.

Georg

[NickHassan]

Georg,
Days may be years.
But you declare it must be so?

[NickHassan]

Georg,
Where does scripture say that when the vatican stops torturing folk is a major time in spiritual history?

[NickHassan]

Georg,
1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

You believe you know who this is, or was?
A pope?

No antichrist is mentioned in Revelation but there is a beast which comes from the pit and is empowered by the dragon, Satan.
Revelation 11:7
And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Revelation 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

[Cindy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2009,07:17)

Georg, Where does scripture say that when the vatican stops torturing folk is a major time in spiritual history?

Nick

It shows the pope/Antichrist, lost his power to rule.

Georg

[NickHassan]

Georg,
So torturing folk is sure sign of human sovereignty?

[Cindy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2009,07:27)

Georg, 1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. You believe you know who this is, or was? A pope? No antichrist is mentioned in Revelation but there is a beast which comes from the pit and is empowered by the dragon, Satan. Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Nick

Yes, there have been many antichrists from the very beginning, those that tried to establish a following for them self in the name of Christ; but none of these antichrists persecuted, and tortured the true saints.
The beast out of the bottomless pit was the seventh head on the beast in Rev. 17:3.

Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

“Beast” simply means GOVERNMENT, it means, some one is in charge. Bottomless pit is to say, it came out of nowhere. This beast/government was “THE LEAGUE OF NATION”. It did not last long, it began in 1918, and ended in 1946; but already there was a new beast in the making, coming out of the seventh.

Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The seventh beast changed in name only, it is the one who is in power now, “THE UNITED NATION”. These are the kings Dan. 2:44 is referring too, and it is during their time, Jesus has been setting up his kingdom.
Would you say any members of the United Nation is in favor of religion?
Rev. 11:7 speaks of the two witnesses, but they are not two individuals. Rev. 13:3 speaks of the Roman empire regaining Carthage north Africa and Rome Italy in AD 553. That is what Rev. 13:4 is saying, who is as strong as Rome. Verse 2 tells you who is the power behind all worldly kingdoms, Satan, he is the god of this world.

Georg

[NickHassan]

Georg,
You say
“”Beast” simply means GOVERNMENT,”
Show this from scripture please

Revelation 4:8
And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

Revelation 5:8
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

[Cindy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2009,08:32)

Georg, You say “”Beast” simply means GOVERNMENT,” Show this from scripture please Revelation 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Nick

Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

These four beasts referr to the four empires.
Babylon
Medo-Persia
Greece, and
Rome.
“Earth”, meaning people, or nation.
Rev. 4:8, and 5:8 speak of creatures in heaven, they have nothing to do with beasts on earth.

Georg

[NickHassan]

Georg,
So beasts do not mean governments?

[Cindy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2009,08:48)

Georg, So beasts do not mean governments?

Nick-odemus

You are spinning again, don't you get dizzy?

Georg

[NickHassan]

Georg,
If you are to make such sweeping statements you must be sure they are resilient.
So can nobody of this generation and the last ones since 1900 meet with Jesus in the air?

[Cindy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2009,09:00)

Georg, If you are to make such sweeping statements you must be sure they are resilient. So can nobody of this generation and the last ones since 1900 meet with Jesus in the air?

Nick

Did I not mention that there is no scripture telling us when the door will be shut? Would I not wont to be in that wedding feast? of course I do, but I am realistic and I look at the scripture what they tell me.

Georg

[NickHassan]

Georg,
You should let your doubtful interpretations trap you and rob you.

[Cindy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2009,10:08)

Georg, You should let your doubtful interpretations trap you and rob you.

Nick

I'm sure you're trying to tell me something?

Georg

[NickHassan]

Georg,
Your calculations seem to be wrong or you cannot go through that door.

[Cindy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2009,10:33)

Georg, Your calculations seem to be wrong or you cannot go through that door.

OK, Nick

What is the connection between my calculation and the door?
Why do you speak in riddles, or are they parables?
Are you confused, or are you trying to confuse me?

Georg

[NickHassan]

Georg,
When the door closes no more reborn bridesmaids can go in to the wedding feast.[mt25]
But of course that was way before our time and according to you we were never invited anyway.

[Cindy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2009,07:34)

Georg, So torturing folk is sure sign of human sovereignty?

Nick

To understand prophecy, you have to look at world events.
It was Napoleon who brought the pope/Antichrist down by humiliating him. He imprisoned the pope in 1809, not fearing the popes threats, curses, and excommunication, in 1813 the pope gave in to Napoleon, this defeat showed the world who had feared the pope more than God, that he had no real power, he had only ruled by fear and superstition. Antichrists rule was over. It was prophesied.

Dan 11:36 And the king (Napoleon) shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god (ruler), and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods (ruler of rulers, the pope), and shall prosper till the indignation (humiliation) be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

Napoleon prospered til his job was done, he fought his last battle in 1815, was exiled to a small island in the south Atlantic, where he died in 1821; just as it is written in the bible, last part.

Dan 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Georg

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