The seven trumpets

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terraricca

You wish I would leave it at that!!!
You throw all kinds of accusation at me, and than crawl back into your cave.
Put your prove where your mouth is.
And don't say “we” Christians, I have my doubts with you.
Show me were I split up and mixed up scripture; you darn right you wont mention any quotes, because you have no quotes; if you don't want to look like a liar, you better produce the evidence.

Georg

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hi georg
here is some of your explanations.

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Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

Beasts are kingdoms; kingdoms are ruled or governed by kings, therefore they are governments.
That's why.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

This beast, being made up of the three previous beasts (Dan. 7:4-6), is the fourth beast, the Roman beast, or government. Being made up of the three previous kingdoms is to show that the Romans were as bad as the three put together (Dan. 7:7).

Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

And he, “he” is the pope, the head if the image. The pope structured his church after the Roman government with the pope replacing the emperor. Anyone opposing him would be killed.
That's why.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Notice it says “a mark”; that shows, there is more than one mark by which those that have received “a mark” can be identified. It is not the number 666 that is a mark, that number only identifies the Antichrist. Her marks are her doctrines, false doctrines. “Right hand” means you have received them, “forehead” means you believe them.
That's why.

Georg
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hi georg here is some of your explanations. Group: Regular Members Posts: 923 Joined: Aug. 2008  Posted: Jan. 11 2009,23:57   ——————————————————————————– Nick Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. Beasts are kingdoms; kingdoms are ruled or governed by kings, therefore they are governments. That's why. Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. This beast, being made up of the three previous beasts (Dan. 7:4-6), is the fourth beast, the Roman beast, or government. Being made up of the three previous kingdoms is to show that the Romans were as bad as the three put together (Dan. 7:7). Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he, “he” is the pope, the head if the image. The pope structured  his church after the Roman government with the pope replacing the emperor. Anyone opposing him would be killed. That's why. Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: Notice it says “a mark”; that shows, there is more than one mark by which those that have received “a mark” can be identified. It is not the number 666 that is a mark, that number only identifies the Antichrist. Her marks are her doctrines, false doctrines. “Right hand” means you have received them, “forehead” means you believe them. That's why. Georg   Back to top ——————————————————————————–   Report this post to a moderator   Nick Hassan Group: Regular Members Posts: 41269 Joined: June 2004  Posted: Jan. 12 2009,05:34

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hi georg
this is a other one

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Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

Beasts are kingdoms; kingdoms are ruled or governed by kings, therefore they are governments.
That's why.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

This beast, being made up of the three previous beasts (Dan. 7:4-6), is the fourth beast, the Roman beast, or government. Being made up of the three previous kingdoms is to show that the Romans were as bad as the three put together (Dan. 7:7).

Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

And he, “he” is the pope, the head if the image. The pope structured his church after the Roman government with the pope replacing the emperor. Anyone opposing him would be killed.
That's why.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Notice it says “a mark”; that shows, there is more than one mark by which those that have received “a mark” can be identified. It is not the number 666 that is a mark, that number only identifies the Antichrist. Her marks are her doctrines, false doctrines. “Right hand” means you have received them, “forehead” means you believe them.
That's why.

Georg
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i will get back to you a little latter,ok,(with my notes)

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hi georg this is a other one Group: Regular Members Posts: 923 Joined: Aug. 2008  Posted: Jan. 11 2009,23:57   ——————————————————————————– Nick Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. Beasts are kingdoms; kingdoms are ruled or governed by kings, therefore they are governments. That's why. Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. This beast, being made up of the three previous beasts (Dan. 7:4-6), is the fourth beast, the Roman beast, or government. Being made up of the three previous kingdoms is to show that the Romans were as bad as the three put together (Dan. 7:7). Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he, “he” is the pope, the head if the image. The pope structured  his church after the Roman government with the pope replacing the emperor. Anyone opposing him would be killed. That's why. Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: Notice it says “a mark”; that shows, there is more than one mark by which those that have received “a mark” can be identified. It is not the number 666 that is a mark, that number only identifies the Antichrist. Her marks are her doctrines, false doctrines. “Right hand” means you have received them, “forehead” means you believe them. That's why. Georg   Back to top ——————————————————————————–   Report this post to a moderator   Nick Hassan Group: Regular Members Posts: 41269 Joined: June 2004  Posted: Jan. 12 2009,05:34 i will get back to you a little latter,ok,(with my notes)

You need to check your evidence better.

Georg

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hi georg
now let see,yes,the way you connect rev;13-2 to Dan;7-4;6 then back to rev;13-15.
a little further “and 'he” is the pope”-are you so sure georg?

is this a revelation from God ?

and your explanation of rev;13-16
#666 that is a mark that number ONLY identified the ANTICHRIST,her,
not his,who is HER ?

doctrine,false doctrine, right hand means you have recieved them.

those are but a few.

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terraricca

Dan. 7:4 the first was like a lion; Rev. 13:2 and his mouth as the mouth of a lion.

Dan. 7:5 a second, like to a bear; Rev. 13:2 and his feet were as the feet of a bear.

Dan. 7:6 and lo another, like a leopard.

You don't agree that that the Roman beast was as bad as the three before it put together? or you don't agree that Rev. 13:2 is not the Roman beast/empire?

Verse 15, yes I am sure he is the pope; he is the little horn on the Roman beast in Dan. 7:8, do not both make war with the saints, Dan. 7:25 and Rev. 13:5,7? and for the same length of time?

Knowledge comes from reading the bible, understanding comes from God.

666 is not a mark, it is the number of “a man” Rev. 13:18.
The pope has an inscription on his crown in Latin, “V I C A R I V S – F I L I I – D E I”, it means, “VICAR OF THE SON OF GOD” . It is an self given title to an self appointed office.
Did not Jesus say.

Jhn 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive (believe) me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive (believe).

How did “HER” got in here, I certainly did not invite “HER”, I'm glad you pointed that out, she was not on the list. “His” is in, “Her” is out.

So, what do you find fault with all that, you forgot to mention, I guess you were to busy calling, “false doctrine”.

Georg

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hi georg
like i said before if you believe it you are the one who has to stand for it.
it seems you feel good abode it,it does not change my views.
i will not do anything to change your views ,it seems you are well aware of what you know and preach.

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terraricca

You ask on your new post in the bible column, why is it so hart to understand scripture?
Are you not given us the reason here?
The unwillingness to learn, why? is it not pride?
I don't boast in my understanding because I have nothing to boast about. This is not my wisdom, I'm the first to admit, I'm to dumb for that. If I look back less than 10 years, I did not know anything of this. Yes, it took a lot of studying, and research, but that alone would have never given me the understanding that I have now. I relied on these scriptures.

Jam 1:5   If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.  

Luk 11:13   If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?  

If everybody understands that, why then is there so much animosity between us? Yes, I know, that includes me. I admit, get mostly annoyed when I ask a question, and my accusers don't answer.

Georg

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hi georg
how come you tell me i dont answer your questions ,can you not read your own writtings and see that you make the scriptures flow the way you feel it should go.

did i boast? i feel insulted wen i see so much twisting of scriptures ,it is not for the benefit of others that you writgh that explanation down
it is for your own benefit because i dont see any glory to God or Christ in this.
i do not douthg your sincerity,Saul to was but he recieved correction.
if this what you say is a posible application then say so ,if not this is mare invention or try to fit .

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terraricca

You and Nick aren't twins, are you?
He refuses to answer my questions too, makes dumb remarks just like you, and he is an expert in twisting scriptures when he does refer to one, just like you.
It's a sneaky way to get away from the spotlight.

Georg

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Hi Georg, Is it necessary to accept your tecahings as infallible to avoid these unfortunate personal attacks?   Sad really as you seem capable of some useful work among us.

I was going back to see just how in the past you responded, same old Nick, I give you prove and you ask for prove, totally ignoring what I had said, just like with the millennium, you just wont change.

Georg

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HI GEORG
i have answer you ,if you dont like the answer you have the ability to ignore it ,so be it.
read your own text,you mixing bowls+seals+trumpet+Daniel+history= what you said so

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terraricca

So, what your saying is, because YOU don't understand it, it has to be wrong.
Let me try again, point out exactly what you disagree with, and be clear about it, so I want have to ask you what you mean, and I will answer you.
Had you taken time to read that post, you would have realised I did not mixed them up, rather I showed how they compliment each other.

Georg

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hi georg
I told you constantine is to me the man of lawlessness,and the antichrist,what do you think??

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Then who is the little horn in Dan. 7:8, the one that makes war with the saints for 1260 days/years?
And who is the one the bible speaks of in Rev. 13:5,7 who makes war with the saints for the same length of time as the one in Daniel?
If Constantine was your man, why then did he stop the persecution of the saints?

Georg

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hi georg
question who are the saints???
well i know it is the aposteles.but i dont think you talked abode them,dont you???

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2009,11:24)

hi georg question who are the saints??? well i know it is the aposteles.but i dont think you talked abode them,dont you???

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Yup, that's what Nick does, answer my question with a question.
But I will answer yours, it also tells you what a saint is.

Psa 50:5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.

Do you understand what this means? Jesus was the first to make a covenant by sacrifice.

Psa 116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints.

Do you understand what this means? they were those who gave their lives for Jesus.
That is what Jesus meant when he said.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

That is a saint.

Georg

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hi georg
now you right ,
now let apply this to your interpretation.
and re explain it to us whit the above in mind

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I know your English isn't so good, but can't you read for your self either?

Georg

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