The Seed of Abraham

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this will be the base to find the SEED

Ge 14:23 That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:
Ge 14:24 Save only that which the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men which went with me, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion.
Ge 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
Ge 15:2 And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
Ge 15:3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
Ge 15:4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
Ge 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
Ge 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Ge 15:7 And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.
Ge 15:8 And he said, Lord GOD, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?
Ge 15:9 And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon.
Ge 15:10 And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not.
Ge 15:11 And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away.
Ge 15:12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
Ge 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
Ge 15:14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
Ge 15:15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
Ge 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
Ge 15:17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.
Ge 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
Ge 15:19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
Ge 15:20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
Ge 15:21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.
Ge 16:1 Now Sarai Abram's wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar.
Ge 16:2 And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai.
Ge 16:3 And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.
Ge 16:4 And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes.
Ge 16:5 And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee.
Ge 16:6 But Abram said unto Sarai, Behold, thy maid is in thy hand; do to her as it pleaseth thee. And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled from her face.
Ge 16:7 And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.
Ge 16:8 And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai.
Ge 16:9 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.
Ge 16:10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.
Ge 16:11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
Ge 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
Ge 16:13 And she called the name of the LORD that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?
Ge 16:14 Wherefore the well was called Beer-lahai-roi; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered.
Ge 16:15 And Hagar bare Abram a son: and Abram called his son's name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael.
Ge 16:16 And Abram was fourscore and six years old, when Hagar bare Ishmael to Abram.
Ge 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Ge 17:2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
Ge 17:3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
Ge 17:4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
Ge 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
Ge 17:6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
Ge 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Ge 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
Ge 17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
Ge 17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
Ge 17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

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abe

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Posted: Feb. 21 2013,11:13
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 20 2013,13:58)
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My questions ;;
1)sister

2)mother

3) both

could you answer those questions

then I will answer you on this ;

What do YOU really BELIEVE

your answers;

Hi T,

Gen.17:5 Neither shall your name any more be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made you.
6And I will make you exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come out of you.
7And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your SEED after you in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God to you, and to YOUR SEED after you.
8And I will give to you, and to your SEED after you, the land wherein you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be THEIR God.

Gal.3:16 Now to Abraham and his SEED were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of ONE, And to thy SEED, which is Christ.

I have to go, more later.

Peace brother..

you have changed from bride,marriage, TO THE SEED “”” WHY

Hi T,

I didn't have time.

Its the PROMISE to the SEED.

Its the SPIRIT to the CHRIST.

Acts2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would RAISE UP Christ to sit on his throne; 31He seeing this BEFORE spake of the RESURRECTION of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32This Jesus, hath God, raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having RECEIVED of the Father the PROMISE of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which you see and hear.

;36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath MADE that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both LORD and CHRIST.

Phil2:8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
:9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the NAME that is ABOVE every name.

Gal.3:14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the PROMISE of the SPIRIT.

I think the Spirit of Christ ( New Jerusalem) is the guarantee of our future inheritance. Holy Jerusalem. (Spirit of God).

And do you think this New Jerusalem is the woman?

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abe

I would like to separate all what his included in the promise to Abraham ;

but first;this ;

Ge 14:23 That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:

Abraham his a man that does not take anything that his not his from God ,THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT CLUE FOR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SERVE GOD ALMIGHTY IN TRUTH .

THIS HIS THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM ,

[abe]

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abe I would like to separate all what his included in the promise to Abraham ; but first;this ; Ge 14:23 That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich: Abraham his a man that does not take anything that his not his from God ,THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT CLUE FOR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SERVE GOD ALMIGHTY IN TRUTH . THIS HIS THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM ,

Hi T,

This is how Christianity began, the fulfilling of the PROMISE.
Old Covenant is gone. We are in the New Covenant. Now, did God promise himself? If a person is a Trinitarian he has no choice but to say he did?

Gal.3:16 is the clearest verse in the Bible, He does not say and to seeds, as of many, but as of ONE, And to your SEED, who is Christ. That is why there is only ONE BODY. We are all part of the body of Christ. Lets keep it simple. do you see the problems Trinitarians have with this verse? Not only Promising himself, but also the fulfillment of the Promise is the Holy Spirit?

Do you think God promised himself, that he send him himself? They keep trying to replace the word Seed, to descendants.

Peace brother..

[abe]

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 21 2013,11:57) abe I would like to separate all what his included in the promise to Abraham ; but first;this ; Ge 14:23 That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich: Abraham his a man that does not take anything that his not his from God ,THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT CLUE FOR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SERVE GOD ALMIGHTY IN TRUTH . THIS HIS THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , Hi T, This is how Christianity began, the fulfilling of the  PROMISE. Old Covenant is gone. We are in the New Covenant. Now, did God promise himself? If a person is a Trinitarian he has no choice but to say he did? Gal.3:16  is the clearest verse in the Bible,  He does not say   and to seeds, as of many, but as of  ONE,  And to your SEED, who is Christ. That is why there is only  ONE BODY. We are all part of the body of Christ. Lets keep it simple. do you see the problems Trinitarians have with this verse?  Not only Promising himself, but also the fulfillment of the Promise is the Holy Spirit? Do you think God promised himself, that he send him himself? They keep trying to replace the word Seed, to descendants. Peace brother..

Hi T,

Ge 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
Ge 15:2 And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
Ge 15:3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
Ge 15:4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
Ge 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to

NUMBER them: and he said unto him, So shall thy SEED (CHRIST) be.
Ge 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Rev.7:9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

Rom.12:5 So we, being MANY, are ONE BODY in Christ, and every one members one of another.

Eph.4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the EDIFYING of the BODY of Christ:

Eph.1:22 And has put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the HEAD over all things to the CHURCH, 23Which IS HIS BODY, the fullness of him that fills all in all.

Col.1:18 He is also HEAD of the BODY, the CHURCH; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.

Peace brother.

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abe

Rom.12:5    So we, being   MANY,   are    ONE BODY  in Christ, and every one members one of another.

we must understand that THE BODY what Paul refer too,is in fact an image or an allegory of what he try to explain ,to me as I understand it it means

that we should all be thinking and working in the same direction ,just as a BODY HIS WORKING TO DO THE WILL OF THE MIND OF IT , in Christians it his Christ that his the master and so all of the thinking and action should be according to his will and not ours ,

if ,in any way we resist tO comply with Christ will ,it will be as we are judged already ;

Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

so it is not what we think only but what we do and think that will qualify us to be a member of the body(congregation) of Christ ,

how can we know that someone his a member of that congregation (Body) of Christ

Christ says ;Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”

those words of Christ can not be void this is the foundation of his teachings,

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abe

Ge 15:5 He took him outside and said, “Look up at the heavens and count the stars—if indeed you can count them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring be.”
Ge 15:6 Abram believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness.
Ge 15:7 He also said to him, “I am the LORD, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land to take possession of it.”

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NUMBER them: and he said unto him, So shall thy SEED (CHRIST) be.

PS 105:6 O seed of Abraham, His servant,
O sons of Jacob, His chosen ones!

RO 4:16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,

so the SEED in Gen 15;5 ,is Jesus Christ ,but all inclusive Jew and gentiles ,THOSE OF THE PROMISE AND ALL ARE OF THE GRACE ,
AND SO ARE THE SEEDS OF THE SEED OF ABRAHAM

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 21 2013,11:57) abe I would like to separate all what his included in the promise to Abraham ; but first;this ; Ge 14:23 That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich: Abraham his a man that does not take anything that his not his from God ,THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT CLUE FOR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SERVE GOD ALMIGHTY IN TRUTH . THIS HIS THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , Hi T, This is how Christianity began, the fulfilling of the  PROMISE. Old Covenant is gone. We are in the New Covenant. Now, did God promise himself? If a person is a Trinitarian he has no choice but to say he did? Gal.3:16  is the clearest verse in the Bible,  He does not say   and to seeds, as of many, but as of  ONE,  And to your SEED, who is Christ. That is why there is only  ONE BODY. We are all part of the body of Christ. Lets keep it simple. do you see the problems Trinitarians have with this verse?  Not only Promising himself, but also the fulfillment of the Promise is the Holy Spirit? Do you think God promised himself, that he send him himself? They keep trying to replace the word Seed, to descendants. Peace brother..

ABE

I really do not and never have believe in the trinity ,it is to me insanity to believe that ,

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abe

Eph.4:12     For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the   EDIFYING   of the   BODY   of Christ:

I see it this way ;For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry(Christ will), for the   EDIFYING   of the   BODY(members of the congregation or kingdom )   of Christ:

MK 3:35 “For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother

RO 8:27 and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

2CO 7:9 I now rejoice, not that you were made sorrowful, but that you were made sorrowful to the point of repentance; for you were made sorrowful according to the will of God, so that you might not suffer loss in anything through us.
2CO 7:10 For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death.

1PE 2:15 For such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance of foolish men.
1PE 4:2 so as to live the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.

but not all are living in the way of Christ according to the will of God and so ;

MT 18:7 “Woe to the world because of its stumbling blocks! For it is inevitable that stumbling blocks come; but woe to that man through whom the stumbling block comes!

MT 23:16 “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘ Whoever swears by the temple, that is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple is obligated.’

MT 23:25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees (and the alike ), hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of robbery and self-indulgence.
MT 23:27 “ Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees,(and the alike ) hypocrites ! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness.

MT 26:24 “The Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”

in the above verse wen Christ says “”woe to the man by whom the son of man is betrayed “”we know that it SEEMS TO refer to JUDAS Iscariot ,

BUT DO YOU THINK IT IS ONLY TO JUDAS THAT THOSE WORDS REFER TOO

[abe]

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abe Eph.4:12     For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the   EDIFYING   of the   BODY   of Christ: I see it this way ;For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry(Christ will), for the   EDIFYING   of the   BODY(members of the congregation or kingdom )   of Christ: MK 3:35 “For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother RO 8:27 and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. 2CO 7:9 I now rejoice, not that you were made sorrowful, but that you were made sorrowful to the point of repentance; for you were made sorrowful according to the will of God, so that you might not suffer loss in anything through us. 2CO 7:10 For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death. 1PE 2:15 For such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance of foolish men. 1PE 4:2 so as to live the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for the lusts of men, but for the will of God. but not all are living in the way of Christ according to the will of God and so ; MT 18:7 “Woe to the world because of its stumbling blocks! For it is inevitable that stumbling blocks come; but woe to that man through whom the stumbling block comes! MT 23:16 “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘ Whoever swears by the temple, that is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple is obligated.’ MT 23:25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees (and the alike ), hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of robbery and self-indulgence. MT 23:27 “ Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees,(and the alike ) hypocrites ! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. MT 26:24 “The Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.” in the above verse wen Christ says “”woe to the man by whom the son of man is betrayed “”we know that it SEEMS TO refer to JUDAS Iscariot , BUT DO YOU THINK IT IS ONLY TO JUDAS THAT THOSE WORDS REFER TOO

Hi T,

MT 18:7 “Woe to the world because of its stumbling blocks! For it is inevitable that stumbling blocks come; but WOE to that man through whom the stumbling block comes!

Matt.16:23 But He(Jesus) turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God's interests, but man's.”

Rom.14:13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this– not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way.

Rom.9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath NOT attained to the law of righteousness. 32Wherefore? Because they sought it NOT by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they Stumbled at that Stumblingstone;
33As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but NOT according to KNOWLEDGE. 3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their Own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the END of the LAW for righteousness to every one that Believeth.

Peace brother…

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 22 2013,04:57) abe Eph.4:12     For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the   EDIFYING   of the   BODY   of Christ: I see it this way ;For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry(Christ will), for the   EDIFYING   of the   BODY(members of the congregation or kingdom )   of Christ: MK 3:35 “For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother RO 8:27 and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. 2CO 7:9 I now rejoice, not that you were made sorrowful, but that you were made sorrowful to the point of repentance; for you were made sorrowful according to the will of God, so that you might not suffer loss in anything through us. 2CO 7:10 For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death. 1PE 2:15 For such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance of foolish men. 1PE 4:2 so as to live the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for the lusts of men, but for the will of God. but not all are living in the way of Christ according to the will of God and so ; MT 18:7 “Woe to the world because of its stumbling blocks! For it is inevitable that stumbling blocks come; but woe to that man through whom the stumbling block comes! MT 23:16 “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘ Whoever swears by the temple, that is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple is obligated.’ MT 23:25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees (and the alike ), hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of robbery and self-indulgence. MT 23:27 “ Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees,(and the alike ) hypocrites ! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. MT 26:24 “The Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.” in the above verse wen Christ says “”woe to the man by whom the son of man is betrayed “”we know that it SEEMS TO refer to JUDAS Iscariot , BUT DO YOU THINK IT IS ONLY TO JUDAS THAT THOSE WORDS REFER TOO Hi T, MT 18:7   “Woe  to the world because of its stumbling blocks! For it  is    inevitable    that stumbling blocks come; but    WOE     to     that   man     through whom the stumbling block   comes! Matt.16:23   But He(Jesus)  turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a     stumbling block    to Me;   for you are not setting your mind on God's interests, but    man's.” Rom.14:13   Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this– not to put an obstacle or a    stumbling block    in a brother's way. Rom.9:30   What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is    of faith. 31But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath    NOT    attained to the law of righteousness. 32Wherefore? Because they sought it    NOT   by faith,   but as it were by the    works of the law.    For they    Stumbled at that     Stumblingstone; 33As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a    stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed  10:1    Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but  NOT according to   KNOWLEDGE.    3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their Own righteousness, have    not submitted themselves    unto the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the   END   of the   LAW   for righteousness to every one that Believeth. Peace brother…

abe

Ro 14:12 So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Ro 14:13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother’s way.
Ro 14:14 As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.

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abe Ge 15:5 He took him outside and said, “Look up at the heavens and count the stars—if indeed you can count them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring be.” Ge 15:6 Abram believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness. Ge 15:7 He also said to him, “I am the LORD, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land to take possession of it.” Quote NUMBER    them: and he said unto him, So shall     thy  SEED   (CHRIST)       be. PS 105:6 O seed of Abraham, His servant, O sons of Jacob, His chosen ones! RO 4:16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, so the SEED in Gen 15;5 ,is  Jesus Christ ,but all inclusive Jew and gentiles ,THOSE OF THE PROMISE AND ALL ARE  OF THE GRACE , AND SO ARE THE SEEDS OF THE SEED OF ABRAHAM

Hi T,

Gal.3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Rom.9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the CHILDREN of the PROMISE are counted for the SEED.

Gal.4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the MOTHER of us all.

Acts2:33 “Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the PROMISE of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear.

Do you think she bears children from the dead?

Peace brother….

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Quote (abe @ Feb. 23 2013,11:20)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 22 2013,04:27) abe Ge 15:5 He took him outside and said, “Look up at the heavens and count the stars—if indeed you can count them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring be.” Ge 15:6 Abram believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness. Ge 15:7 He also said to him, “I am the LORD, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land to take possession of it.” Quote NUMBER    them: and he said unto him, So shall     thy  SEED   (CHRIST)       be. PS 105:6 O seed of Abraham, His servant, O sons of Jacob, His chosen ones! RO 4:16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, so the SEED in Gen 15;5 ,is  Jesus Christ ,but all inclusive Jew and gentiles ,THOSE OF THE PROMISE AND ALL ARE  OF THE GRACE , AND SO ARE THE SEEDS OF THE SEED OF ABRAHAM   Hi T, Gal.3:16   Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Rom.9:8   That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the   CHILDREN   of the PROMISE   are counted for the   SEED. Gal.4:26   But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the   MOTHER   of us all. Acts2:33   “Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having   received   from the Father the   PROMISE   of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear. Do you think she bears children from the dead? Peace brother….

abe

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Do you think she bears children from the dead?

no, i think any one that is a part of the heavenly call wen he dies he(SOUL) will go in heaven and wait there for the time that all things are dealt with,

1Co 4:8 Already you have all you want! Already you have become rich! You have become kings—and that without us! How I wish that you really had become kings so that we might be kings with you!

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abe

Gal 4:25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children.
Gal 4:26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
Gal 4:27 For it is written:
“Be glad, O barren woman,
who bears no children;
break forth and cry aloud,
you who have no labor pains;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”
Gal 4:28 Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.
Gal 4:29 At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now.
Gal 4:30 But what does the Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”
Gal 4:31 Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

so the women in the sky his the heavenly Jerusalem the free city ; SO THE WOMEN HIS GOD'S HEAVENLY CONGREGATION OF ANGELS ,???

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Hi T,

Strongs #2233 Old Testament

zera: a sowing, seed, offspring
Original Word: זָ֫רַע
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: zera
Phonetic Spelling: (zeh'-rah)
Short Definition: descendants

Word Origin
from zara
Definition
a sowing, seed, offspring
NASB Translation
carnally* (1), child (1), children (3), descendant (3), descendants (105), descent (1), family (6), fertile (1), grain (3), intercourse* (2), line (1), nation (1), offspring (38), offspring's offspring (1), origin (1), posterity (1), race (1), seed (48), seedtime (1), seminal (4), seminal* (1), son* (1), time (1), what you sow (1).

Word Origin  Strongs  #4690 New Testament
from speiró
Definition
that which is sown, i.e. seed
NASB Translation
children (7), conceive* (1), descendant (4), descendants (16), posterity (1), seed (10), seeds (4)

Thought I would bring this to your attention.

Peace brother…

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Quote (abe @ Feb. 23 2013,23:52)

Hi T, Strongs #2233 Old Testament zera: a sowing, seed, offspring Original Word: זָ֫רַע Part of Speech: Noun Masculine Transliteration: zera Phonetic Spelling: (zeh'-rah) Short Definition: descendants Word Origin from zara Definition a sowing, seed, offspring NASB Translation carnally* (1), child (1), children (3), descendant (3), descendants (105), descent (1), family (6), fertile (1), grain (3), intercourse* (2), line (1), nation (1), offspring (38), offspring's offspring (1), origin (1), posterity (1), race (1), seed (48), seedtime (1), seminal (4), seminal* (1), son* (1), time (1), what you sow (1). Word Origin  Strongs  #4690 New Testament from speiró Definition that which is sown, i.e. seed NASB Translation children (7), conceive* (1), descendant (4), descendants (16), posterity (1), seed (10), seeds (4) Thought I would bring this to your attention. Peace brother…

abe

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Thought I would bring this to your attention.

for what reason

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 23 2013,11:23)

Quote (abe @ Feb. 23 2013,23:52) Hi T, Strongs #2233 Old Testament zera: a sowing, seed, offspring Original Word: זָ֫רַע Part of Speech: Noun Masculine Transliteration: zera Phonetic Spelling: (zeh'-rah) Short Definition: descendants Word Origin from zara Definition a sowing, seed, offspring NASB Translation carnally* (1), child (1), children (3), descendant (3), descendants (105), descent (1), family (6), fertile (1), grain (3), intercourse* (2), line (1), nation (1), offspring (38), offspring's offspring (1), origin (1), posterity (1), race (1), seed (48), seedtime (1), seminal (4), seminal* (1), son* (1), time (1), what you sow (1). Word Origin  Strongs  #4690 New Testament from speiró Definition that which is sown, i.e. seed NASB Translation children (7), conceive* (1), descendant (4), descendants (16), posterity (1), seed (10), seeds (4) Thought I would bring this to your attention. Peace brother… abe Quote Thought I would bring this to your attention. for what reason

Hi T,

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
then I would reject the descendants of Jacob and David My servant, not taking from his descendants rulers over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But I will restore their fortunes and will have mercy on them.'”

King James Bible
Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.

Is there a difference between the two verses?

Peace brother…….

[abe]

Quote (abe @ Feb. 23 2013,12:17)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 23 2013,11:23) Quote (abe @ Feb. 23 2013,23:52) Hi T, Strongs #2233 Old Testament zera: a sowing, seed, offspring Original Word: זָ֫רַע Part of Speech: Noun Masculine Transliteration: zera Phonetic Spelling: (zeh'-rah) Short Definition: descendants Word Origin from zara Definition a sowing, seed, offspring NASB Translation carnally* (1), child (1), children (3), descendant (3), descendants (105), descent (1), family (6), fertile (1), grain (3), intercourse* (2), line (1), nation (1), offspring (38), offspring's offspring (1), origin (1), posterity (1), race (1), seed (48), seedtime (1), seminal (4), seminal* (1), son* (1), time (1), what you sow (1). Word Origin  Strongs  #4690 New Testament from speiró Definition that which is sown, i.e. seed NASB Translation children (7), conceive* (1), descendant (4), descendants (16), posterity (1), seed (10), seeds (4) Thought I would bring this to your attention. Peace brother… abe Quote Thought I would bring this to your attention. for what reason Hi T, New American Standard Bible (©1995) then I would reject the descendants of Jacob and David My servant, not taking from his descendants rulers over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But I will restore their fortunes and will have mercy on them.'” King James Bible Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them. Is there a difference between the two verses? Peace brother…….

Hi T,

Jer.33:26 Sorry I didn't put in the verse

Peace brother.

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Quote (abe @ Feb. 24 2013,02:17)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 23 2013,11:23) Quote (abe @ Feb. 23 2013,23:52) Hi T, Strongs #2233 Old Testament zera: a sowing, seed, offspring Original Word: זָ֫רַע Part of Speech: Noun Masculine Transliteration: zera Phonetic Spelling: (zeh'-rah) Short Definition: descendants Word Origin from zara Definition a sowing, seed, offspring NASB Translation carnally* (1), child (1), children (3), descendant (3), descendants (105), descent (1), family (6), fertile (1), grain (3), intercourse* (2), line (1), nation (1), offspring (38), offspring's offspring (1), origin (1), posterity (1), race (1), seed (48), seedtime (1), seminal (4), seminal* (1), son* (1), time (1), what you sow (1). Word Origin  Strongs  #4690 New Testament from speiró Definition that which is sown, i.e. seed NASB Translation children (7), conceive* (1), descendant (4), descendants (16), posterity (1), seed (10), seeds (4) Thought I would bring this to your attention. Peace brother… abe Quote Thought I would bring this to your attention. for what reason Hi T, New American Standard Bible (©1995) then I would reject the descendants of Jacob and David My servant, not taking from his descendants rulers over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But I will restore their fortunes and will have mercy on them.'” King James Bible Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them. Is there a difference between the two verses? Peace brother…….

ABE

YES “CAPTIVE” VERSUS “FORTUNE”

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abe

Jer 33:26 then I will reject the descendants of Jacob and David my servant and will not choose one of his sons to rule over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. For I will restore their fortunes and have compassion on them.’ ”NIV

Jer 33:26 Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham,
Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.

Jeremiah 33:26
Context
NET ©
Just as surely as I have done this, so surely will I never reject the descendants of Jacob. Nor will I ever refuse to choose one of my servant David’s descendants to rule over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Indeed, 1 I will restore them 2 and show mercy to them.”
NIV ©
then I will reject the descendants of Jacob and David my servant and will not choose one of his sons to rule over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. For I will restore their fortunes and have compassion on them.’”
NASB ©
then I would reject the descendants of Jacob and David My servant, not taking from his descendants rulers over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But I will restore their fortunes and will have mercy on them.’”
NLT ©
I will never abandon the descendants of Jacob or David, my servant, or change the plan that David’s descendants will rule the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Instead, I will restore them to their land and have mercy on them.”
MSG ©
then, but only then, you might think I had disowned the descendants of Jacob and of my servant David, and that I wouldn't set up any of David's descendants over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But as it is, I will give them back everything they've lost. The last word is, I will have mercy on them.'”
BBE ©
Then I will give up caring for the seed of Jacob and of David my servant, so that I will not take of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will let their fate be changed and will have mercy on them.
NRSV ©
would I reject the offspring of Jacob and of my servant David and not choose any of his descendants as rulers over the offspring of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. For I will restore their fortunes, and will have mercy upon them.
NKJV ©
‘then I will cast away the descendants of Jacob and David My servant, so that I will not take any of his descendants to be rulers over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. For I will cause their captives to return, and will have mercy on them.’”

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NRSV ©
would I reject the offspring of Jacob and of my servant David and not choose any of his descendants as rulers over the offspring of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. For I will restore their fortunes, and will have mercy upon them

I WOULD FAVOR THIS TRANSLATION OVER THE kjv AND THE niv BECAUSE THOSE TWO TRANSLATION ARE CONTRADICTING THEMSELVES WITHIN THE VERSE CAN YOU SEE THAT

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