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Wakeup, why can you not understand this by now?
Jesus told Nicodemus “Truly, truly, I say to you – unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Nicodemus asked him how can an old man be reborn. He can not enter his mothers womb again, can he?
Jesus replied again, “unless one is born of WATER AND THE SPIRIT, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh
And that which is born of the spirit is spirit.In other words, sin is born of the flesh, and spiritual things (from above) are born of the spirit (in a mans life).
Therefore, we must pass through the waters of baptism, and receive the Holy Spirit. That is what the bible says.
Jesus explains the spiritual aspect when he further says “How will you believe if I tell you of heavenly things?”
After this, Jesus went on with the disciples to baptize in water (a commandment).
“He who comes from above is above all, he who is of the earth is from the earth and speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven is above all. What He has seen and heard, of that He testifies; and no one receives His testimony. He who has received His testimony has set his seal to this, that God is true. For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the Spirit without measure. The Father loves the Son and has given all things into His hand. He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
3. If one is truly born again; can he be unborn again? No, not possible. Once born again forever will stay born again.
4.Then why is there a falling away coming? (unborn again)?
5.Why many will be deceived? And unborn again??
6. If there are millions and millions saved and born again? Why need to go through the tribulation? where is logic? saved means truly saved. Why some saved and born again, will have their heads on the chopping block??
The falling away is prophesied to happen, but not all will fall away.
Camellia.
1. When you are born of your mother (she is flesh) you are flesh.
You have developed in her water; in your mothers belly for 9 months then you came out flesh. You are born of water.
That is your first birth. Some babies don’t grow to maturity, and born. But have to be taken care of to survive.
Some don’t make it, they are born dead.
2. Now you are developing in mothers Zion womb; developing in the spirit.; you are growing to maturity spiritually.
Some have not grown to maturity, spiritually; they have to be taken care of. Have to go through the tribulation, to be saved.
Some have not grown at all spiritually, they will NOT be born again. They stay in their graves, dead.
When the time comes for Zion to give birth; you will be born of the spirit, because she is spirit.
This is your second birth. Born again, in spirit form. At the coming ,at the resurrection.
Only them that have grown to maturity in the spirit will be born again.
And this is the reward, at the coming. Because this is the time when all that have grown to maturity will be born again.
They will be in spirit form.
Water baptism is a symbol of coming out of the spirit. The water represents the spirit. The symbol of the Holy spirit is also water.
Do you understand?
wakeup.
wakeup
1. When you are born of your mother (she is flesh) you are flesh.
You have developed in her water; in your mothers belly for 9 months then you came out flesh. You are born of water.
That is your first birth. Some babies don’t grow to maturity, and born. But have to be taken care of to survive.
Some don’t make it, they are born dead.
what scriptures says that ?
or is this your opinion ?
Hi WU
“1. When you are born of your mother (she is flesh) you are flesh.
You have developed in her water; in your mothers belly for 9 months then you came out flesh. You are born of water.
That is your first birth. Some babies don’t grow to maturity, and born. But have to be taken care of to survive.
Some don’t make it, they are born dead.”
DOES SCRIPTURE SPEAK OF NATURAL BIRTH IN THIS WAY OR IS THIS YOUR OWN IDEA?
“2. Now you are developing in mothers Zion womb; developing in the spirit.; you are growing to maturity spiritually.
Some have not grown to maturity, spiritually; they have to be taken care of. Have to go through the tribulation, to be saved.
Some have not grown at all spiritually, they will NOT be born again. They stay in their graves, dead.
When the time comes for Zion to give birth; you will be born of the spirit, because she is spirit.
This is your second birth. Born again, in spirit form. At the coming ,at the resurrection.
Only them that have grown to maturity in the spirit will be born again.”
SO NATURAL MEN ALL BEGIN GROWING SPIRITUALLY OF THEIR OWN NATURE?
NO SEEDS NEED TO BE PLANTED AND GOD IS NOT INVOLVED EXCEPT IN CREATION?
This is an absurd doctrine and drawn from your own mind . It is not of God.
hi wup and others
the truth about being born again ,his that Jesus try to explain to Nicodemus that he was born in a natural way and so lived in this way until then ;mean until Christ ;
but Christ pointing out that if someone want to be in the kingdom of God he first as to change his way of living and also his way of thinking ,for the kingdom is not a part of this world ,but of the next one ;meaning where people do not live for themselves but for the love of others first ,(the law of love) this is done by living in the spirit ;meaning the way that God sees it ,for God his spirit and so we should worship him in spirit AND ABOVE ALL IN TRUTH ,if anyone cannot be truthful to others then he has already fail to the principal of the kingdom of God ,for only the blameless will enter in it ;no lips that lies will go in ,
so thinking that Christ will cover all of our sins is by itself false ;for any true believer stops from sinning, if not he remain a sinner and will die for his sins ,
do not try to make Christ a fool ,nor his father ridicule ;for to the sinners the law remains in place and will be applied in the most rigorous way for those that have mock the name of the son and the holy spirit /spirit of truth ,
so stick to the truth that was given to us by those that had received the spirit of truth for us ,amen
Thank you for your advice Terra.
But we are still flesh until born again, in spirit form.
All that have matured in mother Zion’s belly have the renewing of the mind.
They are not of this world, but walked in the spirit of Christ.
They only will be born again in the resurrection.
You are close, but not yet in full understanding what it really means to be born again.
wakeup.
wakeup
your ego will be your downfall,for you have no truth only ego ,
you are inventing your own mislaid views and teach them as truth ,this his not the way of God nor Christ nor his disciples only your worldly way ,
blame others that they have not understand the scriptures yet not able to prove with scriptures to show where they would be broken other scriptures ,nor have any scriptures to prove the truth in your own views ;
this is bad in practice to say the least ;
Terra.
There is no pressure. You can just leave it; and consider it trash. And hang on to your believe system.
I am just stirring up the wine. It has been sitting on its lees for too long, much too long.
wakeup.
wup
There is no pressure.i can just leave for what it is, that is trash. And hang on to mine scriptural truth from the apostles written massage ,through the spirit of truth ,
trust me that is exactly what i will do ,
Nick
What comes first, …repent, or be baptised?
Which one is more important?
Some love the be baptised part, but forget about the “repent” part.Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call
So what does this mean then?
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.Obviously many are called, but don’t finish the race.
j42
So what does this mean then?
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.Obviously many are called, but don’t finish the race.
wrong that is not what it means ;
for all true believers are saved but not all are chosen for heaven that is what it means ;
chosen by Christ and called heavenward like Paul says ,
the fallen ones do not count ,those that mist the boat are not counted as passengers,
Terra.
Those that did not manage to grow spiritually in mothers Zion belly they will be born dead.
Those who managed to grow spiritually will be born again, in spirit form.
Those who managed only to grow partly will need help; they need to go through the tribulation.
Like the pre mature babies need help.
wup
again no scriptures produced so only opinions ,when are you going to learn that all as been said in scriptures but not all find or understand the truth of God so how can they be saved ?
so show truth in scriptures wup
j42
So what does this mean then?
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.Obviously many are called, but don’t finish the race.
wrong that is not what it means ;
for all true believers are saved but not all are chosen for heaven that is what it means ;
chosen by Christ and called heavenward like Paul says ,
the fallen ones do not count ,those that mist the boat are not counted as passengers,
Pierre
Christ does the choosing at the end of the race.
He knows in advance who his sheep are.
He feeds his sheep.
The true sheep who follow the shepherd are the chosen.
We all like to think we are chosen, but that is not what the scripture says.
In the end Christ decides who are true and who are not.The fallen ones, are still amongst the true sheep.
But the real sheep only hear the true shepherd.
The sheep all look the same, you can’t tell the difference from the outside,
But Christ knows his sheep.
Those he has “chosen” to feed will be manifested at the end of the race.The kingdom has to be cleaned out when the harvest is ready.
Because many say they are in the kingdom, but Christ knows the hearts.J42.
The true sheep wilL -RECOGNISE- THE SHEPHERDS VOICE, and will follow the shepherd.
And the shepherd will lead the sheep to green pastures.Psalms 23:1 The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
Psalms 23:2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
Psalms 23:3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name’s sake.
wakeup.
Terra.
Can you answer my questions if you dare?
1. If we are indeed spirit; why need to go through tribulation? (bear in mind born of the spirit is spirit).
2. If we are indeed born again; why can many fall away?
3. Is it possible to be unborn again?
4. Is it possible to be unsaved again?
5.Do you know the meaning of born of the spirit?
6.Born of what spirit?wakeup.
wup
Terra.
Can you answer my questions if you dare?
1. If we are indeed spirit; why need to go through tribulation? (bear in mind born of the spirit is spirit).
2. If we are indeed born again; why can many fall away?
3. Is it possible to be unborn again?
4. Is it possible to be unsaved again?
5.Do you know the meaning of born of the spirit?
6.Born of what spirit?wakeup.
i am not a dare devil; so you open the subjects you give the scriptures no games
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