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Hebrews 4:9
9 There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
This text generates a considerable amount of argument.
Is it referring to the final “Sabbath rest” for the saints in heaven?
Or does it refer to Sabbaths in the present day?
The first place to look, as always, is at the context.
1 Therefore, let us fear lest, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you should seem to have come short of it.
The writer of Hebrews is making it clear that there is a current promise of entering God's rest.
Unfortunately, we cannot clearly tell if the rest is current (weekly Sabbath) or future (eschatological Sabbath).
3 For we who have believed enter that rest,…
4 For He has thus said somewhere concerning the seventh day, “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;The focus seems to be clearly settling on the weekly Sabbath, since believers are portrayed as currently entering the rest, and the reference in verse 4 is clearly to creation and the fourth commandment.
6 Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,
This makes it even more clear that some have entered the rest, indicating a present, not a future rest.
7 He again fixes a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, “Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.Here it is emphasized that there is a “certain day”, and that Joshua could not give the Hebrews the rest, but God can.
9 There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
This concludes the argument that the Sabbath “remains” available to God's people.
The Greek apoleipeto translated “remains” literally means “left behind.”
The Greek sabbatismos translated “Sabbath rest” literally means a “seventh-day Sabbath keeping.” (While this word is not found anywhere else in the Bible, it is found in non-canonical literature, where its meaning is quite clear.)
So translated literally, verse 9 would say:
9 So then a Sabbath-keeping is left behind for the people of God.
This cannot be a reference to something in the far future.
It must be a present rest.
Only the weekly Sabbath qualifies.
But we must note that the writer's focus is NOT on whether the Sabbath exists.
Such a polemic would reveal that there was an argument underway about whether to observe the Sabbath.
That sort of argument would be inevitable in the apostolic church if Sunday observance were promoted.
As we have seen, the apostles gave great respect to Jewish holy days and traditions.
Since the Sabbath was probably the most central of the holy days, its abrogation would have raised a furor, and arguments both pro and con would have filled the apostolic literature.
There is absolutely no evidence that such an argument ever surfaced, and no such writing exists.
Just to illustrate the point, in Acts 15, the Jerusalem council dealt with other issues central to Jewish tradition, but the Sabbath was not discussed, since it was never in question. Continuing in Hebrews 4:
10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.
11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall through following the same example of disobedience.Once again, the focus is present: “has entered”, and the parallel drawn is straight from the fourth commandment and from the creation story.
There can be no doubt that the primary focus is the fact that we have in the present a Sabbath rest, the weekly Sabbath.
All that being said, it is not possible to totally exclude an eschatological aspect to the Sabbath rest.
Jesus, in his first recorded public pronouncement, stated that he came to declare the Jubilee “release” (Luke 4:18).
It is clear that this ultimate Sabbath comes at the second coming.
So the exhortation to “be diligent to enter that rest ” can also be seen as a call to be strong in the faith to win the ultimate victory through Jesus.
How should we see the message of Hebrews on the Sabbath?
Christ fulfilled the typological and eschatological Messianic Sabbath rest and release, not by annulling the actual observance of the day but by making it a time to experience and share with others the salvation He makes possible for us.
It gives us a new opportunity every week to enter God's rest, that is, to make oneself free from the cares of work in order to experience freely by faith God's creation and redemption-rest.
Perhaps the best statement is as, John Calvin said, on Sabbath, believers are “to cease from their work to allow God to work in them.”
http://www.bibleonly.org/docs/sab/rest.html
Personally I believe those who keep the Sabbath, have the Mark/Seal of God. And those who refuse have the mark/seal of the beast.
Just my opinion.
Constitutionalist,
I believe that the Church of Galatia like most if not all churches Paul wrote to was a mixed congregation of both Jews and Gentiles under assault by the “circumcision” hearsay.
I beg to differ about Jews not being vegetarians since from what I have heard the Essene sect of Judaism was in fact a vegetarian sect and possibly did not even practice animal sacrifices. My hypothosis is they were trying to go back to the more “innocent” times previous to the flood.
Still, you have some interesting points. Do you have any comments on what I wrote about the Law of Mosses earlier?
Do you have any comments on what I wrote about the Law of Mosses earlier?
If it is this one “Posted: Oct. 26 2009,01:40” I replied to it in “Posted: Oct. 27 2009,00:37”.
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 27 2009,20:22) Personally I believe those who keep the Sabbath, have the Mark/Seal of God. And those who refuse have the mark/seal of the beast. Just my opinion.
I disagree on that.
Exodus 31:16
“Therefore the children o Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generation as a perpetual covenant.verse 17 “It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever;…..
Also in
Exodus 34:27
Then the LORD said to Moses”Write the words, for according to the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.verse 28″So He was there with the LORD for forty days and forty nights. He neither eat bread or drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the WORDS OF THECOVENANT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.
We as Gentiles never were under that covenant. Jesus gave us a new covenant in
Math.22: 36
“Teacher, which is the great commandments in the law.verse 37
Jesus said to him:” You shall love the LORD your God with all of your heart, wit all of your soul, and with all of your mind.”verse 38
“This is the first and great commandment.verse 39
“And the second is like it, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”verse 40 “On these two commandments hang all of the Law and the prophets.
Jesus made a covenant with us in
Luke 22: 20 …..”This cup is the new covenant in My Blood, which is shed for you.
Also in Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is a gift from God.verse 9
not of works lest anyone should boast.verse 10
For we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God has prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.I will rather be un der grace then the curse, that I would have fallen from grace. I beliieve what is written.
Peace and Love Irene
This sums it up for me. Are you gong to believe what Jesus said and what God said to Moses? And Paul in his letters to the Eophesians & Galatians?Also in Galatians 5:4
You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; “You hav fallenfrom grace.”Peace and Love Irene
Constitutionalist wrote:
Quote Citizens were also to be Religious.
I suppose I should have used the word “denizen”. A Hebrew can be a denizen of any one of the other lands owned by the 12 Tribes and so not be a Jew, as in citizen of Judah.
I also made a mistake as a Jew can also be a Jew by culture though not religion.
Constitutionalist wrote:
Quote The Jewish race was supposed to be Religious.
Yet we know for sure that some Jews worshiped false Gods and modern Jews have abandoned the God of Abraham in reject Jesus as the Anointed One.
The only true “Jewish” religion is the true teachings of Jesus the Anointed One.
There is nothing to say that the Hebrew people were to give up their culture that God gave them.
Constitutionalist wrote:
Quote Gates: Sha`ar:
I am not going to argue over the meaning of Sha`ar . My technique was to compare to similar passages and attempt to come up with the correct definition from that.
Lets say it means that all Gentiles within the communities of the 12 tribes must obey the Sabbath law. It still does not include those outside the gate.
Constitutionalist wrote:
Quote As Jesus says of the Sabbath, in Mark 2:27, (translated literally):
It does not say “all men”
It seems to me you are committing the same error as the circumcision group in that you are trying to make Gentiles, Jews. To my way of thinking that is as much of an error as those that try to make Jews, Gentiles. To each his own customs as we are all one in Jesus the Anointed One.
I am not sure what you are referring to about the Law of Mosses.
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Mark 2:27
Quote Constitutionalist wrote: As Jesus says of the Sabbath, in Mark 2:27, (translated literally):
It does not say “all men”
It seems to me you are committing the same error as the circumcision group in that you are trying to make Gentiles, Jews. To my way of thinking that is as much of an error as those that try to make Jews, Gentiles. To each his own customs as we are all one in Jesus the Anointed One.
I am not sure what you are referring to about the Law of Mosses.
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man [anthrōpos], and not man [anthrōpos] for the sabbath: Mark 2:27
Man: Greek: Anthrōpos:
1) A human being, whether male or female
a) Generically, to include all human individuals, in the plural, peopleAnthrōpos generically means: MANKIND!
Other uses of “Anthrōpos” meaning MANKIND!
Anthrōpos is usually always meant generically and usually in plurality.
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Matthew 4:4
And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men. Matthew 4:19
Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Matthew 7:9
But when the multitudes saw [it], they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men. Matthew 9:8
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. Matthew 10:35
Quote Strong's Number G444 matches the Greek ἄνθρωπος (anthrōpos), which occurs 559 times in 504 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 27 2009,18:04) And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Mark 2:27 Quote Constitutionalist wrote: As Jesus says of the Sabbath, in Mark 2:27, (translated literally):
It does not say “all men”
It seems to me you are committing the same error as the circumcision group in that you are trying to make Gentiles, Jews. To my way of thinking that is as much of an error as those that try to make Jews, Gentiles. To each his own customs as we are all one in Jesus the Anointed One.
I am not sure what you are referring to about the Law of Mosses.
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man [anthrōpos], and not man [anthrōpos] for the sabbath: Mark 2:27
Man: Greek: Anthrōpos:
1) A human being, whether male or female
a) Generically, to include all human individuals, in the plural, peopleAnthrōpos generically means: MANKIND!
That only one possibility according to my source.Also basically what Sabbath also refers to gates is also like, if you observe Sabbath you wont go to a restaruant and have someone cook for you or serve you because in doing so your being there makes them work. Or you get gas on another day, because you make others work for you (register person, attendant, etc.). Even if the other person is an athiest, you as a Sabbath keeper, you ensure you don't make others work by your hand.
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2009,04:15) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 27 2009,18:04) And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Mark 2:27 Quote Constitutionalist wrote: As Jesus says of the Sabbath, in Mark 2:27, (translated literally):
It does not say “all men”
It seems to me you are committing the same error as the circumcision group in that you are trying to make Gentiles, Jews. To my way of thinking that is as much of an error as those that try to make Jews, Gentiles. To each his own customs as we are all one in Jesus the Anointed One.
I am not sure what you are referring to about the Law of Mosses.
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man [anthrōpos], and not man [anthrōpos] for the sabbath: Mark 2:27
Man: Greek: Anthrōpos:
1) A human being, whether male or female
a) Generically, to include all human individuals, in the plural, peopleAnthrōpos generically means: MANKIND!
That only one possibility according to my source.
Read your source carefully, it verifies what I said,MAN! You, me, the next guy. Man! Notice he does not say Jew, Gentile, Greek! he says “Man!” Mankind, every single person.
Anthrope = Human Species = Mankind!
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 27 2009,05:05) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2009,04:15) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 27 2009,18:04) And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Mark 2:27 Quote Constitutionalist wrote: As Jesus says of the Sabbath, in Mark 2:27, (translated literally):
It does not say “all men”
It seems to me you are committing the same error as the circumcision group in that you are trying to make Gentiles, Jews. To my way of thinking that is as much of an error as those that try to make Jews, Gentiles. To each his own customs as we are all one in Jesus the Anointed One.
I am not sure what you are referring to about the Law of Mosses.
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man [anthrōpos], and not man [anthrōpos] for the sabbath: Mark 2:27
Man: Greek: Anthrōpos:
1) A human being, whether male or female
a) Generically, to include all human individuals, in the plural, peopleAnthrōpos generically means: MANKIND!
That only one possibility according to my source.
Read your source carefully, it verifies what I said,MAN! You, me, the next guy. Man! Notice he does not say Jew, Gentile, Greek! he says “Man!” Mankind, every single person.
Anthrope = Human Species = Mankind!
gol, if your reading this, read the last few and see if your picking up what I am saying here. Kerwin doesnt seem to grasp what I am saying here.English
EtymologyFrom Ancient Greek ἄνθρωπος (anthrōpos), “‘human’”).
Suffix-anthropy
humanity; mankind
Derived termsmisanthropy
philanthropy
Synonymsanthrop- (equivalent prefix)
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-anthropy—————————————————-
WordNet: anthropic
Top Home Library Literature & Language WordNetNote: click on a word meaning below to see its connections and related words.
The adjective has one meaning:
Meaning #1: relating to mankind or the period of mankind's existence
Synonym: anthropical
Pertains to noun: human being (meaning #1)
http://www.answers.com/topic/anthropic——————————————————–
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an·throp·ic (n-thrpk) also an·throp·i·cal (–kl)
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Of or relating to humans or the era of human life.———————————————————–
an·throp·ic (n-thrpk) also an·throp·i·cal (–kl)
[Greek anthrpikos, from anthrpos, human being.]
Of or relating to humans or the era of human life.
[Greek anthrpikos, from anthrpos, human being.]
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/anthropic———————————————————
MANKIND!
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 27 2009,23:20) Also basically what Sabbath also refers to gates is also like, if you observe Sabbath you wont go to a restaruant and have someone cook for you or serve you because in doing so your being there makes them work. Or you get gas on another day, because you make others work for you (register person, attendant, etc.). Even if the other person is an athiest, you as a Sabbath keeper, you ensure you don't make others work by your hand.
You're adding to the word of God regarding the sabbath. It referred only to God's covenantal people and extended only to their servants, beasts of burden and those “within YOUR gates.”So I may eat at a restaurant because I am not putting my servants to work or my cattle or anyone within my “gates” (house).
Your adding your own commandments to the law like the pharisees did. If you say that I can't travel to a restaurant then you are adding again. And your requirement that gentiles must keep the sabbath is also an addition for they were never under the sabbath or anything of Moses. They were under the law of the revelation of God in nature.
You become more a pharisee with every post.
thinker
Remember, The Gospel of Jesus Christ was FIRST for the Jew then the Gentile. No matter how you want to look at it, God is a Jewish God before a Gentile God. It is changed now, not by God's accord but by man's accord. The Jews let him down so many times that he now offers his gifts to any man that will receive.
In that light, the ones who do come to him are the true Jewish people.
Remember in revelations, the center court will be for the jews, while the outter court for the Gentiles.
So Jews will still have a special place with God and our Lord.
———————————————————-I'm not wise in the area of what it takes to become a christian adopted Jew, but I am positive that it is not necissary for salvation.
Plus don't forget, Jesus worked miracles on Sabbath, and was surely “Cut Off” from his people by many of the things he did.
Maybe this was the reason why the old covenant was abolished. Because Jesus in himself fufilled the old laws, and in doing so…keeping Jesus would also keep the sabbath even tho you worked on that day.
So ponder this.
Why would God want to say that the Sabbath is a sign between the children of Israel and then says it is for all. That makes no sense. Two times He did that. We are under a new covenant in His Blood and grace.
Luke 2:20 and Math. 22:36-40,Ephesians 2:8-9
IreneQuote (thethinker @ Oct. 27 2009,08:17) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 27 2009,23:20) Also basically what Sabbath also refers to gates is also like, if you observe Sabbath you wont go to a restaruant and have someone cook for you or serve you because in doing so your being there makes them work. Or you get gas on another day, because you make others work for you (register person, attendant, etc.). Even if the other person is an athiest, you as a Sabbath keeper, you ensure you don't make others work by your hand.
You're adding to the word of God regarding the sabbath. It referred only to God's covenantal people and extended only to their servants, beasts of burden and those “within YOUR gates.”So I may eat at a restaurant because I am not putting my servants to work or my cattle or anyone within my “gates” (house).
Your adding your own commandments to the law like the pharisees did. If you say that I can't travel to a restaurant then you are adding again. And your requirement that gentiles must keep the sabbath is also an addition for they were never under the sabbath or anything of Moses. They were under the law of the revelation of God in nature.
You become more a pharisee with every post.
thinker
You missed the point TT as a Sabbath keeper, I would not go to a resturaunt and have you cook for me, because by your cooking for me makes you my servant. Whether you observe it or not is not the issue, it is all about me and my rest. This does not add or take from it.Your just looking for argument.
I make no man my servant upon my Sabbath.
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 28 2009,03:52) Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 27 2009,08:17) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 27 2009,23:20) Also basically what Sabbath also refers to gates is also like, if you observe Sabbath you wont go to a restaruant and have someone cook for you or serve you because in doing so your being there makes them work. Or you get gas on another day, because you make others work for you (register person, attendant, etc.). Even if the other person is an athiest, you as a Sabbath keeper, you ensure you don't make others work by your hand.
You're adding to the word of God regarding the sabbath. It referred only to God's covenantal people and extended only to their servants, beasts of burden and those “within YOUR gates.”So I may eat at a restaurant because I am not putting my servants to work or my cattle or anyone within my “gates” (house).
Your adding your own commandments to the law like the pharisees did. If you say that I can't travel to a restaurant then you are adding again. And your requirement that gentiles must keep the sabbath is also an addition for they were never under the sabbath or anything of Moses. They were under the law of the revelation of God in nature.
You become more a pharisee with every post.
thinker
You missed the point TT as a Sabbath keeper, I would not go to a resturaunt and have you cook for me, because by your cooking for me makes you my servant. Whether you observe it or not is not the issue, it is all about me and my rest. This does not add or take from it.Your just looking for argument.
I make no man my servant upon my Sabbath.
So Jesus did not keep the Sabbath when he performed miracles on that day, because he was made a serveant to the sick.So where do you keep your understanding constitutionalist?
In the OT laws that you were never under, or in the new covenant in which all men are under.
Old covenants were for Jews only, gentile has only received Jesus' Blood as our promise to salvation.
And in “HIM” are all the laws fufilled.
AmenQuote (georg @ Oct. 27 2009,08:50) Why would God want to say that the Sabbath is a sign between the children of Israel and then says it is for all. That makes no sense. Two times He did that. We are under a new covenant in His Blood and grace.
Luke 2:20 and Math. 22:36-40,Ephesians 2:8-9
Irene
Why would he say that? He did quote it. Maybe most people just don't understand. But then again it's between you and God.Maybe because the Sabbath is a perpetual covenant all by itself, and has no bearing on the old or the new.
Ask God, or TT. Your choice.
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