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Hi,
Jesus is called the Root AND descendant of David and the root of Jesse.
Rev 22
Revelation 5:5
and one of the elders said to me, “Stop weeping; behold, the Lion that is from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome so as to open the book and its seven seals.”Revelation 22:16
” I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”Romans 15:12
Again Isaiah says,” THERE SHALL COME THE ROOT OF JESSE,AND HE WHO ARISES TO RULE OVER THE GENTILES, IN HIM SHALL THE GENTILES HOPE.”Isaiah 11:1
Then a shoot will spring from the stem of Jesse,And a branch from his roots will bear fruit.Isaiah 11:10
Then in that dayThe nations will resort to the root of Jesse,Who will stand as a signal for the peoples;And His resting place will beRoots and shoots grow first in the growth of any plant.
Ezekiel 31:7
'So it was beautiful in its greatness, in the length of its branches;For its roots extended to many waters.Romans 11:16
If the first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are too.Roots are needed for the branches and fruit.
Isaiah 27:6
In the days to come Jacob will take root,Israel will blossom and sprout,And they will fill the whole world with fruit.Isaiah 40:24
Scarcely have they been planted,Scarcely have they been sown,Scarcely has their stock taken root in the earth,But He merely blows on them, and they wither,And the storm carries them away like stubble.Matthew 13:6
“But when the sun had risen, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.Romans 11:18
do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.The plant can survive if only the root is left
Ezekiel 17:9
“Say, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, “Will it thrive? Will he not pull up its roots and cut off its fruit, so that it withers–so that all its sprouting leaves wither? And neither by great strength nor by many people can it be raised from its roots again.2 Kings 19:30
' The surviving remnant of the house of Judah will again take root downward and bear fruit upward.Daniel 4:26
'And in that it was commanded to leave the stump with the roots of the tree, your kingdom will be assured to you after you recognize that it is Heaven that rules.Romans 11:17
But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,Root is not a synonym for branches or shoots.
They grow from the rootJob 18:16
“His roots are dried below,And his branch is cut off above.”Jesus is the Root and the Offspring of David. How can this be? Interesting….. For me, this is one of the reasons I believe so strongly in the the literal sonship of Jesus.
God is the Root of everything.
Jesus is God's literal and biological Son.Jesus is a part of his Father, therefore he can be considered the “Root” of David.
Jesus is a part of his Mother (who is descendant from David), therefore he is the “Offspring” of David.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 26 2007,18:57) Hi not3,
Is Jesus a part of God and a part of Mary.
What strange philosophy is this?
Read about it in the gospels my brother!
I don't know? What “type” of son is described in the gospels?
Son of Man?
Son of God?
HmmmmAt any rate, enough of the silly questioning that leads to paths that go in circles…..
If Christ is the offspring of David, then it stands to reason that he is a descendant of David.
If he is the root of David, then I would think that David is a descendant of him.
But how?
John 1:3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.He is also called the first and the last. That is what I tend to believe, but I am open to what people say, it is just that I have never heard a good explanation as to Christ not being the first after God, and there are too many scriptures that talk of his pre-existence. The arguments that explain these scriptures away are weak in my opinion.
Hi t8,
Jesus is called the first and last, but in what way is he these titles? Jesus is called God, but in what way is this title given to him?
For me, if there is a way to align scripture with major themes that are clear and understandable, then I will opt for that explaination over quilting together a theology.
Actually, there are very few scriptures that suggest a preexistence of JESUS. However, your presupposition may help you along in reading into many scriptures. For instance, the scripture you quoted – John 1:3 – does not say that Jesus preexisted at all. However, you are probably so used to reading this verse and applying your theology, that it might have escaped you that there are other ways in which things can be accomplished *through* someone without that someone even being present or alive! For example, many college students are helped financially *through* my parents (foundation), although my parents are deceased. Just food for thought.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2007,08:46) Hi not3,
But would you suggest things happened THROUGH a being who did not even exist?
…….exist yet! Yes!Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2007,11:39) Hi not3,
So all things that are now were created through one who did not exist then?
Where did he (Jesus) exist then? Show me!Quote (t8 @ July 27 2007,13:25) If Christ is the offspring of David, then it stands to reason that he is a descendant of David. If he is the root of David, then I would think that David is a descendant of him.
But how?
John 1:3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.He is also called the first and the last. That is what I tend to believe, but I am open to what people say, it is just that I have never heard a good explanation as to Christ not being the first after God, and there are too many scriptures that talk of his pre-existence. The arguments that explain these scriptures away are weak in my opinion.
Hi t8:Perhaps the following scripture will help:
Quote Acts 2:25
For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always * * before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
2:26
Therefore * * did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover * * also my flesh shall rest in hope:
2:27
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
2:28
Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
2:29
Men and brethren, let me freely * * speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
2:30
Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
2:31
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
2:32
This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
2:33
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
2:34
For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
2:35
Until I make * thy foes thy footstool *.He is the root of David because without him their is no resurrection from the dead. Although Jesus is a descendant of David after the flesh, he is also God's Son and his Christ. He is David's Lord in the resurrection.
God Bless
Quote (Not3in1 @ July 28 2007,10:16) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2007,08:46) Hi not3,
But would you suggest things happened THROUGH a being who did not even exist?
…….exist yet! Yes!
I already answered your question. Your second question is basically asking the same thing. God created everything *through* Christ. Christ did not have to be phyically present for this to be the case.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 29 2007,09:21) Hi 94,
Why not just believe scripture as simply written?
HI Nick:I do believe the scripture, and I just explained to you what is meant by it.
Give me your understanding since you seem to have all of the answers. How is he the root of David?
God Bless
Quote (Not3in1 @ July 29 2007,11:42) Quote (Not3in1 @ July 28 2007,10:16) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2007,08:46) Hi not3,
But would you suggest things happened THROUGH a being who did not even exist?
…….exist yet! Yes!
I already answered your question. Your second question is basically asking the same thing. God created everything *through* Christ. Christ did not have to be phyically present for this to be the case.
Hi not3,
Do you think God created what is
through one who was not but would be??
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