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TO ALL:
The resurrection is not in our future. According to Jesus and Paul the resurrection was in the immediate future of the first generation of Christians. This means that the resurrection happened in our past.
JESUS:
“Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and NOW IS, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.” John 5:25-29
PAUL:
“…having hope toward God, which they themselves also wait for, [that] there is ABOUT TO BE a rising again of the dead, both of righteous and unrighteous…” Acts 24:15, YLT
Jesus said “now is” and Paul said “about to be” in reference to the timing of the resurrection.
Paul used the Greek “mello” which indicates the immediate future. Jesus used this word when He said, “I am about to be betrayed into the hands of sinners.” And the prophet Agabus used the word “mello” when prophesying the immediate famine which was to come upon the whole earth
” 27And in those days there came from Jerusalem prophets to Antioch,
28and one of them, by name Agabus, having stood up, did signify through the Spirit a great dearth is ABOUT TO BE throughout all the world — which also CAME TO PASS in the time of Claudius Caesar –YLT
NOTE: Agabus said that the famine was “ABOUT TO BE” and Luke said it “CAME TO PASS.” So could Paul's use of the Greek “mello” be any more clear? I think not!
Consequently, Jesus' use of “NOW IS” and Paul's use of “ABOUT TO BE” show conclusively that the resurrection was in the immediate future of the first generation of Christians. Therefore, it is in our past.
“For in just a very little while,
“He who is coming will come and will not delay. Heb. 10:37, NIVHe came to them. He did not delay. Now we may have confidence that we will receive what we have been promised. Praise Him!
Futurist chronology is contradicted on EVERY PAGE of the new testament!
thinker
Which one lied? Jesus said “it now is”, yet years later Paul said “About to be” who is right?
Your statement “Consequently, Jesus' use of “NOW IS” and Paul's use of “ABOUT TO BE” show conclusively that the resurrection was in the immediate future of the first generation of Christians.”. Quite the opposite from proving your claim, it proves there must be a different interpretation then the one you've offered, or one of them is a liar.
As to His coming in “a very little while” our whole lives are referred to as wisps of smoke, time depends on your perspective.
My Opinion – Wm
Quote (thethinker @ Nov. 14 2009,10:01) TO ALL: The resurrection is not in our future. According to Jesus and Paul the resurrection was in the immediate future of the first generation of Christians. This means that the resurrection happened in our past.
JESUS:
“Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and NOW IS, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.” John 5:25-29
PAUL:
“…having hope toward God, which they themselves also wait for, [that] there is ABOUT TO BE a rising again of the dead, both of righteous and unrighteous…” Acts 24:15, YLT
Jesus said “now is” and Paul said “about to be” in reference to the timing of the resurrection.
Paul used the Greek “mello” which indicates the immediate future. Jesus used this word when He said, “I am about to be betrayed into the hands of sinners.” And the prophet Agabus used the word “mello” when prophesying the immediate famine which was to come upon the whole earth
” 27And in those days there came from Jerusalem prophets to Antioch,
28and one of them, by name Agabus, having stood up, did signify through the Spirit a great dearth is ABOUT TO BE throughout all the world — which also CAME TO PASS in the time of Claudius Caesar –YLT
NOTE: Agabus said that the famine was “ABOUT TO BE” and Luke said it “CAME TO PASS.” So could Paul's use of the Greek “mello” be any more clear? I think not!
Consequently, Jesus' use of “NOW IS” and Paul's use of “ABOUT TO BE” show conclusively that the resurrection was in the immediate future of the first generation of Christians. Therefore, it is in our past.
“For in just a very little while,
“He who is coming will come and will not delay. Heb. 10:37, NIVHe came to them. He did not delay. Now we may have confidence that we will receive what we have been promised. Praise Him!
Futurist chronology is contradicted on EVERY PAGE of the new testament!
thinker
Hi thethinker:Maybe the following scripture will help you to understand:
Quote Jhn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Jhn 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?Before we were born again, all of us were dead in our trespasses. When we believed, we heard the voice of the Lord.
Quote Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;Love in Christ,
MaratyQuote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 14 2009,10:36) Which one lied? Jesus said “it now is”, yet years later Paul said “About to be” who is right? Your statement “Consequently, Jesus' use of “NOW IS” and Paul's use of “ABOUT TO BE” show conclusively that the resurrection was in the immediate future of the first generation of Christians.”. Quite the opposite from proving your claim, it proves there must be a different interpretation then the one you've offered, or one of them is a liar.
As to His coming in “a very little while” our whole lives are referred to as wisps of smoke, time depends on your perspective.
My Opinion – Wm
William,
Jesus said, “The HOUR NOW IS….” Pardon me for the confusion.Wm:
Quote As to His coming in “a very little while” our whole lives are referred to as wisps of smoke, time depends on your perspective.
God is a slave to our perspectives? He is not free to mean what He says because it all “depends” on our perspectives? This is sheer rationalism. It clearly says that He would “not delay” His coming.thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Nov. 15 2009,03:25) Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 14 2009,10:36) Which one lied? Jesus said “it now is”, yet years later Paul said “About to be” who is right? Your statement “Consequently, Jesus' use of “NOW IS” and Paul's use of “ABOUT TO BE” show conclusively that the resurrection was in the immediate future of the first generation of Christians.”. Quite the opposite from proving your claim, it proves there must be a different interpretation then the one you've offered, or one of them is a liar.
As to His coming in “a very little while” our whole lives are referred to as wisps of smoke, time depends on your perspective.
My Opinion – Wm
William,
Jesus said, “The HOUR NOW IS….” Pardon me for the confusion.Wm:
Quote As to His coming in “a very little while” our whole lives are referred to as wisps of smoke, time depends on your perspective.
God is a slave to our perspectives? He is not free to mean what He says because it all “depends” on our perspectives? This is sheer rationalism. It clearly says that He would “not delay” His coming.thinker
Thinker If Jesus has come like you say He did, then what about what is to happen? When He comes the Millenium is starting, right? So I do not see any evident of that present! According to that Jesus has not returned yet!!!
Peace and Love IreneQuote (georg @ Nov. 15 2009,03:33) Quote (thethinker @ Nov. 15 2009,03:25) Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 14 2009,10:36) Which one lied? Jesus said “it now is”, yet years later Paul said “About to be” who is right? Your statement “Consequently, Jesus' use of “NOW IS” and Paul's use of “ABOUT TO BE” show conclusively that the resurrection was in the immediate future of the first generation of Christians.”. Quite the opposite from proving your claim, it proves there must be a different interpretation then the one you've offered, or one of them is a liar.
As to His coming in “a very little while” our whole lives are referred to as wisps of smoke, time depends on your perspective.
My Opinion – Wm
William,
Jesus said, “The HOUR NOW IS….” Pardon me for the confusion.Wm:
Quote As to His coming in “a very little while” our whole lives are referred to as wisps of smoke, time depends on your perspective.
God is a slave to our perspectives? He is not free to mean what He says because it all “depends” on our perspectives? This is sheer rationalism. It clearly says that He would “not delay” His coming.thinker
Thinker If Jesus has come like you say He did, then what about what is to happen? When He comes the Millenium is starting, right? So I do not see any evident of that present! According to that Jesus has not returned yet!!!
Peace and Love Irene
Irene,
Jesus said that His kingdom was not of this world and not from here.Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”
You will not see an earthly kingdom. The millenniums were fulfilled in the past before John received his visions on Patmos. It says that the “ancient serpent” was bound for thousands of years. So this takes the binding of satan all the way back to the garden of Eden. He was loosed for the little season between Christ's first and second comings.
Forget about the idea of an earthly kingdom. It is a man made idea. Don't make the same mistake the unbelieving Jews made. Christ came back in ad70 and cast satan into the lake of fire. He resurrected all His people from hades and then cast hades into the lake of fire. All God's people after that are “caught up” and are changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye.
We are in the ETERNAL new covenant age, “the kingdom that cannot be shaken“ (Hebrews 1225-28).
thinker
Hi TT,
The kingdom is of heaven and God not of this world.
But it will be on earth as it is in heaven.
King Jesus will returnQuote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 15 2009,07:08) Hi TT,
The kingdom is of heaven and God not of this world.
But it will be on earth as it is in heaven.
King Jesus will return
You contradict the King Himself. He said that His kingdom is “not from here.” How about offering some scriptural support for your presuppositions?thinker
hi thinker
Nick does not contredict him self ,you just dont understand wath he is saying,all wath he said you can find it in the scriptures if you take the time to dig in to ithi thinker
when you read the scriptures forget your self ,if you dont you only will collect you won interpretation.Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 15 2009,08:59) hi thinker
Nick does not contredict him self ,you just dont understand wath he is saying,all wath he said you can find it in the scriptures if you take the time to dig in to it
Nick contradicts the King. Jesus said that His kingdom is “not from here.” I have asked Nick, Keith and Paul to give just one new testament scripture which says that Christ would come back to earth. I have aged a little waiting.thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 15 2009,09:49) HiTT,
Of course it is not from here.
It is of heaven and King Jesus will rule over the earth[Ps2]
He is ruling over the earth now. You seem to admit that there is no new testament scripture which says that Jesus is coming back to earth. You are coming along fine Nicky.
thinker
hi tk
Eph 4:12 to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up
Eph 4:13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
Eph 4:14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming
Eph 4:17 So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking.
Eph 4:18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their heartsEph 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.
Eph 5:7 Therefore do not be partners with them
The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble
Phil 4:9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you
Col 4:6 Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone
1Th 4:1 Finally, brothers, we instructed you how to live in order to please God, as in fact you are living. Now we ask you and urge you in the Lord Jesus to do this more and more1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Th 5:4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief
1Th 5:12 Now we ask you, brothers, to respect those who work hard among you, who are over you in the Lord and who admonish you.
1Th 5:13 Hold them in the highest regard in love because of their work. Live in peace with each other.
1Th 5:14 And we urge you, brothers, warn those who are idle, encourage the timid, help the weak, be patient with everyone.
1Th 5:15 Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong, but always try to be kind to each other and to everyone else2Th 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter
Jas 4:1 What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you?
Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly
Heb 12:23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect
to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
Heb 12:25 See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven?
Heb 12:26 At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.”
Heb 12:27 The words “once more” indicate the removing of what can be shaken—that is, created things—so that what cannot be shaken may remain.
Heb 12:28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence
Tit 1:15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.2Th 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.
2Th 1:9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power
2Th 1:10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes2Pe 3:3 First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.
2Pe 3:4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning2Pe 1:5 For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge;
2Pe 1:6 and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness;
2Pe 1:7 and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love.
2Pe 1:8 For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.1Pe 1:13 Therefore, prepare your minds for action; be self-controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed
Jas 5:7 Be patient, then, brothers, until the Lord’s coming. See how the farmer waits for the land to yield its valuable crop and how patient he is for the autumn and spring rains
well here it is but i did not make it easy for you ,you have toread all to understand it ,and this is just a few quotes.
you have to understand “coming and going”
hi tk
just forgot to tell you
when Christ said that is kingdom is not from this world ,this means the way the kingdom of the world operate under satan power,
Christ kingdom operate under Gods direction.
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